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CNN: Xi Jinping is determined to end all poverty in China by 2020. Can he do it?

Ending “all poverty” is in the post title. This is not quite true.

Xi’s plan is to get people above $1.10/day. This is closer to crossing the threshold of "extreme poverty" to just "moderate poverty". Not crossing from "poverty" to "not in poverty". So the “all poverty” is a bit misleading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_poverty

The World Bank defines poverty in absolute terms. The bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US$1.90 per day>[9] (PPP), and moderate poverty as less than $3.10 a day. It has been estimated that in 2008, 1.4 billion people had consumption levels below US$1.25 a day and 2.7 billion lived on less than $2 a day.



The West has poverty...but not much extreme poverty. His goal at a minimum is to simply reach our level on that.

So instead of hundreds of millions in extreme poverty he'll move them up to moderate poverty.

Then the next step will be from moderate poverty to one based on the median income like some countries in the West. For instance "poverty" in the US is roughly if your household makes below half the median household income (< ~$25,000 as the median income is ~$50,000). That's roughly $25,000/365 = < $68/day. A huge chunk of the planet falls into that definition off what we see as “poverty”.

So when you hear about 40’million in poverty in the US you have to understand our definition of it. It doesn’t mean they make less than $3.10/day...it means they make less than $68/day...and that includes retirees.

Relative poverty is BS tbh lol. You have instances in San Francisco where making $117K is considered low income for families. It's a measure for inequality.

Right now China's priority is to get people (still in the millions) out of extreme poverty and get sufficient amount of food/clothing/shelter. It's admirable.
 
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Relative poverty is BS tbh lol. You have instances in San Francisco where making $117K is considered low income for families. It's a measure for inequality.

Right now China's priority is to get people (still in the millions) out of extreme poverty and get sufficient amount of food/clothing/shelter. It's admirable.

Yep, we have had our own War on Poverty announcements...last one was in the 1960’s.
 
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Yep, we have had our own War on Poverty announcements...last one was in the 1960’s.

What kind of poverty though? Isn't it just some kind of tilting towards more welfare/socialism? I thought the US is already pretty advanced in the 1960s.
 
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What kind of poverty though? Isn't it just some kind of tilting towards more welfare/socialism? I thought the US is already pretty advanced in the 1960s.

Definitely more free money and free healthcare. But another biggie was building public housing.
 
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No, Comrade Xi cannot.

A component of poverty is opportunities. Another component is human nature. Like it or not, there will always be those who will not take advantage of opportunities opened to them.

So from this perspective, the answer is also 'Yes', that China -- under Xi's leadership -- can eliminate poverty. China can do this by creating economic opportunities as wide as possible.
 
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So u admit it's bogus after all? A load of BS for this prize, right :enjoy:

Can we stick to the topic of poverty, if you please. In the UK poverty is defined as 60% of median income.

Whats the median income in China? The we can do some basic math to figure out how you are going to get 1 billion people within a decent percentage of the median income and hence out of poverty

What good is 1.90 dollars in Beijing?

Let me rephrase that, 1.4 billion people

im sure a mcdonalds meal is 6-7 dollars in China, if 90% of your population cant afford that three times a day you are in poverty
 
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What good is 1.90 dollars in Beijing?

Let me rephrase that, 1.4 billion people

im sure a mcdonalds meal is 6-7 dollars in China, if 90% of your population cant afford that three times a day you are in poverty
median income in Beijing is around 1000-1500 dollars a month, Mcdonalds are everywhere and they are very cheap, they are junk food you shouldn't eat too much of it.
 
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median income in Beijing is around 1000-1500 dollars a month, Mcdonalds are everywhere and they are very cheap, they are junk food you shouldn't eat too much of it.

being a big flexible, considering china is a vast place, lets move the median figure to 70%. The least wealthy of china should be on around 300 to 450 dollars a month to cover their food, accommodation, clothing, medicine, transport, taxes etc.

that would be 10 to 15 dollars per day as poverty line
 
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I thought china has already achieved that milestone...with trillions in reserve and continous high growth, why there should be ppl living under poverty line...
 
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being a big flexible, considering china is a vast place, lets move the median figure to 70%. The least wealthy of china should be on around 300 to 450 dollars a month to cover their food, accommodation, clothing, medicine, transport, taxes etc.

that would be 10 to 15 dollars per day as poverty line
In Beijing if your income is below 1000 RMB you are entitled to be on government welfare, those things will be provided for you, many people say that those who are on welfare are not really that poor, many are actually pretty rich, they are cheating the government.

I thought china has already achieved that milestone...with trillions in reserve and continous high growth, why there should be ppl living under poverty line...
China has one fifth of the humanity, many live in very harsh environment such as deserts and deep mountains, it's not easy to get everyone out of poverty for such a huge country, hopefully the government can completely eradiate poverty next year as planned.
 
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In Beijing if your income is below 1000 RMB you are entitled to be on government welfare, those things will be provided for you, many people say that those who are on welfare are not really that poor, many are actually pretty rich, they are cheating the government.

i mean country wide.

For example in London there is higher cost of living than in a rural area of England. But on average through the country there is not that much difference in the cost of living.

China has one fifth of the humanity, many live in very harsh environment such as deserts and deep mountains, it's not easy to get everyone out of poverty for such a huge country, hopefully the government can completely eradiate poverty next year as planned.

with 100 dollars you would be able to buy the same, pretty much, anywhere up and down the country because no matter where you are in the country, the economy is the same. (except property)

You need a certain amount of dollars to do anything. 1.1 dollars a day (as per article) would mean 400 dollars a year. you would survive one week or less.
 
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i mean country wide.

For example in London there is higher cost of living than in a rural area of England. But on average through the country there is not that much difference in the cost of living.



with 100 dollars you would be able to buy the same, pretty much, anywhere up and down the country because no matter where you are in the country, the economy is the same. (except property)

You need a certain amount of dollars to do anything. 1.1 dollars a day (as per article) would mean 400 dollars a year. you would survive one week or less.
It's just a standard, very few people will make that little anyway, maybe it's just a number, besides, if you are really that poor, it's more of the local government official's headache than your own headache.
 
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In Beijing if your income is below 1000 RMB you are entitled to be on government welfare, those things will be provided for you, many people say that those who are on welfare are not really that poor, many are actually pretty rich, they are cheating the government.
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Welfare fraud..what...you think that only happens in China. LOL!


China has one fifth of the humanity, many live in very harsh environment such as deserts and deep mountains,.

This isn’t exclusive to China. Think of the Middle East. Even in the US we have entire cities in the middle of the desert like Las Vegas (circa 1905). We are just more developed than you guys are.
 
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