Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

[Superboy]

This is the reason that Ukraine, Georgia and now even Finland is thinking to join NATO.

Go ahead. The US will never dare to fight Russia. Ukraine will be overrun by millions of Russian unemployed driving tanks

 

[Hindustani78]

Polish deputy minister in Ukraine to prep evacuation from separatist region - Thenews.pl :: News from Poland
25.12.2014

A foreign ministry team is in Ukraine over the (Western) Christmas period, the ministry’s spokesperson told Polish Radio.

The team, led by a deputy minister of foreign affairs, will study the situation on the ground and the list of people in need of evacuation. The Polish consulate in Kharkiv, the largest city in eastern Ukraine, is currently working on the list.

The evacuation was originally planned for December 29, but no date is currently available.

The government is determined to help the Polish citizens in Donbas, the spokesperson said. The consulate in Kharkiv has already lent material assistance to them. A Polish citizen recently was shot dead by members a separatist militia following a reported car crash.

Go ahead. The US will never dare to fight Russia. Ukraine will be overrun by millions of Russian unemployed driving tanks

This is the reason new president of the European Council Donald Tusk has said like this.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2014&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=92618
"Russia is EU's strategic problem"

 

[Superboy]

This is the reason new president of the European Council Donald Tusk has said like this.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2014&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=92618
"Russia is EU's strategic problem"

If you dare to fight, then fight. If not, then sit on the porch and watch how the big dogs do things.

 

[Hindustani78]

If you dare to fight, then fight. If not, then sit on the porch and watch how the big dogs do things.

Here i think its more about European powers shaping their own foreign policy and working for their security and defense needs and taking their financial burden. NATO member countries seems to have divided their responsibilities.

 

[Superboy]

 

[Hindustani78]

U.S. delivers first counter-mortar radar systems to Ukraine| Ukrinform

KYIV, November 24 /Ukrinform/. The U.S. military have delivered the first three lightweight, counter-mortar radar systems for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren told this to reporters on November 21, a Ukrinform correspondent reported.

"The radar systems see incoming mortar fire and quickly calculate the point of origin of a mortar round fired by the enemy, and allows friendly forces to react appropriately," Warren said.

He added that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would determine how, where and when they will employ the systems.

According to the press service of the Pentagon, the radar systems are the first few of 20 that will be delivered during the next several weeks and U.S. military members will begin training Ukrainian armed forces in mid-December.

The radar systems are part of the $118 million in equipment and training the United States has committed to assisting Ukraine's armed forces.

"We're working closely with the Ukrainians through the interagency process," Warren said.



According to the report, the anti-mortar radars can effectively respond to the enemy artillery.
These devices are able to immediately determine the place from which the missile and artillery systems fire is conducted.

Their effective range constitutes 50 meters to 10 kilometers.

The accuracy of determining the enemy coordinates is up to 75 meters at a distance of 5 kilometers.

 

[Superboy]

MSTA-B 152 mm howitzers in a warehouse somewhere in Lugansk

 

[Hindustani78]

MSTA-B 152 mm howitzers in a warehouse somewhere in Lugansk

Both the Ukrainian government and the separatists use the same varieties of Soviet and Russian artillery in their engagements.

The artillery systems used by the separatists include:

122 mm D-30 howitzer
100 mm BS-3 anti-tank gun
100 mm MT-12 anti-tank gun
152 mm 2A65 Msta-B
76 mm ZiS-3 field gun

 

[Superboy]

courageous women warriors of NAF battalion Oplot

Both the Ukrainian government and the separatists use the same varieties of Soviet and Russian artillery in their engagements.

The artillery systems used by the separatists include:

122 mm D-30 howitzer
100 mm BS-3 anti-tank gun
100 mm MT-12 anti-tank gun
152 mm 2A65 Msta-B
76 mm ZiS-3 field gun

They are not separatists. They are Russians.

 

[Hindustani78]

courageous women warriors of NAF battalion Oplot

They are not separatists. They are Russians.

They haven't joined Russian Federation yet but have declared themselves Independent which has been not recognized by United Nations. So how many countries have recognized Donetsk and Luhansk Republic so far ?

 

[Superboy]

They haven't joined Russian Federation yet but have declared themselves Independent which has been not recognized by United Nations. So how many countries have recognized Donetsk and Luhansk Republic so far ?

Doesn't matter if they are not part of Russia yet. They are Russian citizens, yes? They are from Russia, yes? How many Ukrainian citizens are there in Crimea? 0.

 

[Hindustani78]

Doesn't matter if they are not part of Russia yet. They are Russian citizens, yes? They are from Russia, yes? How many Ukrainian citizens are there in Crimea? 0.

Tatars are still there. Do you consider them Ukrainians or Russians ?

On 20 November, the Russian Federation Government set the quota for the issuance of temporary residence permits for foreigners and persons without citizenship for 2015.For Crimea and Sevastopol thequota is only 1,900 permits (the smallest one for any of the federal regions). This may cause many problems for Crimean residents who refused to previously acquire Russian citizenship and may lead to the expulsion of foreigners and Ukrainian citizens who do not obtain permits

 

[Superboy]

Tatars are still there. Do you consider them Ukrainians or Russians ?

On 20 November, the Russian Federation Government set the quota for the issuance of temporary residence permits for foreigners and persons without citizenship for 2015.For Crimea and Sevastopol thequota is only 1,900 permits (the smallest one for any of the federal regions). This may cause many problems for Crimean residents who refused to previously acquire Russian citizenship and may lead to the expulsion of foreigners and Ukrainian citizens who do not obtain permits

If Tatars in Crimea don't want to be Russian citizens fine, they can go to the US.

 

[vostok]

Kyiv Patriarchate do recognize Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople but do not recognize authority of Moscow Patriarchate over Ukrainian Church as according to them during the time of USSR all other Patriarchate were liquidate and only Moscow Patriarchate was recognized by the USSR authority.

No one recognizes this sect. No real church in the world. And especially not the Ecumenical Patriarch.
Autocephalous Orthodox churches[edit]
Ranked in order of seniority, with the year of independence (autocephaly) given in the parenthesis.[1][2]

Four Ancient Patriarchates[edit]

1. Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
2. Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria
3. Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch
4. Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem

Junior Patriarchates[edit]

1. Russian Orthodox Church (1448, recognized in 1589)
2. Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church (486)
3. Bulgarian Orthodox Church (870)
4. Serbian Orthodox Church (1219)
5. Romanian Orthodox Church (1872, recognized in 1885)

Autocephalous Archbishoprics[edit]

1. Church of Cyprus (431, recognized in 478)
2. Church of Greece (1833, recognized in 1850)
3. Albanian Orthodox Church (1922, recognized in 1937)
4. Polish Orthodox Church (1924)
5. Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church (1951,1988)
6. Orthodox Church in America (1970, autocephaly not universally recognised[3])

The four ancient patriarchates are most senior, followed by the five junior patriarchates. Autocephalous archbishoprics follow the patriarchates in seniority, with the Church of Cyprus being the only ancient one (AD 431). In the diptychs of the Russian Orthodox Church and some of its daughter churches (e.g., the Orthodox Church in America), the ranking of four of the patriarchal churches is different. Following the Russian Church in rank is Georgian, followed by Serbian, Romanian, and then Bulgarian Church. The ranking of the archbishoprics is the same.

Autonomous Orthodox churches[edit]
under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople

• Finnish Orthodox Church
• Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church* (autonomy recognized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate but not by the Russian Orthodox Church)
• Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox Churches in Western Europe*

under the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch

• Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America

under the Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem

• Orthodox Church of Mount Sinai

under the Russian Orthodox Church

• Belarusian Orthodox Church
• Latvian Orthodox Church
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church* (autonomy recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church but not by the Ecumenical Patriarchate)
• Moldovan Orthodox Church
• Japanese Orthodox Church* (autonomy recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church but not by the Ecumenical Patriarchate)
• Chinese Orthodox Church* (virtually non-existent, autonomy recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church but not by the Ecumenical Patriarchate)
• Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia*

under the Serbian Orthodox Church

• Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric

under the Romanian Orthodox Church

• Metropolitan Church of Bessarabia
• Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in the Americas

*Autonomy not universally recognised.

The Orthodox churches without autonomy[edit]
under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople

• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Italy
• Exarchate of the Philippines
• American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA

Churches in resistance[edit]
Due to what these churches perceive as the errors of modernism and ecumenism in mainstream Orthodoxy, they refrain from concelebration of the Divine Liturgy with them while maintaining that they remain fully within the canonical boundaries of the Church: i.e., professing Orthodox belief, retaining legitimate episcopal succession, and existing in communities with historical continuity. With the exception of the Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance), they will commune the faithful from all the canonical jurisdictions and are recognized by and in communion with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia.

Due in part to the re-establishment of official ties between the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia and the Moscow Patriarchate, the Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance) has broken ecclesial communion with ROCOR, but the converse has not happened. Where the Old Calendar Romanian and Bulgarian churches stand on the matter is as yet unclear.

• Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church
• Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance)
• Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church

Churches that have voluntarily "walled themselves off"[edit]
These Churches do not practice Communion with any other Orthodox jurisdictions nor do they tend to recognize each other. Yet, like the "Churches in Resistance" above they remain fully within the canonical boundaries of the Church: i.e., professing Orthodox belief, retaining what they believe to be legitimate episcopal succession, and existing in communities with historical continuity. Nevertheless, their relationship with all other Orthodox Churches remains unclear, as 'Orthodox' Churches normally recognize and are recognized by others.

• Old Believers
• Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece
• Russian True Orthodox Church
• Russian Orthodox Church in America
• Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
• Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church in America
• Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church

Churches that are unrecognized[edit]
The following Churches recognize all other mainstream Orthodox Churches, but are not recognized by any of them due to various disputes:

• Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate
• Macedonian Orthodox Church

Orthodox Church organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nekrasa]

Polish deputy minister in Ukraine to prep evacuation from separatist region - Thenews.pl :: News from Poland
25.12.2014

A foreign ministry team is in Ukraine over the (Western) Christmas period, the ministry’s spokesperson told Polish Radio.

The team, led by a deputy minister of foreign affairs, will study the situation on the ground and the list of people in need of evacuation. The Polish consulate in Kharkiv, the largest city in eastern Ukraine, is currently working on the list.

The evacuation was originally planned for December 29, but no date is currently available.

The government is determined to help the Polish citizens in Donbas, the spokesperson said. The consulate in Kharkiv has already lent material assistance to them. A Polish citizen recently was shot dead by members a separatist militia following a reported car crash.

With all respect Hindu, these news are war propaganda, and I don't know how's your business spreading this crap here.

The polish government don't care about polish people (not citizen!) there, otherwise they'd tried to help them six/seven months ago, when the war had started. So, this is only PR. They'll do nothing in this case, literally...

Pro-russian rebels sturm ukie checkpoinkt, film from summer, but published yesterday: