Chinese progress provokes aggression amongst Indians

[Sino-PakFriendship]

If YOU never invaded Tibet and force the issue, there would be no border conflict between China and India today.

TIBET had been part of China before British Raj existed!

 

[faithfulguy]

A caste is unique in India as other society has social classes, India has castes. People can move from one class in other societies but in a caste base society, there is no or almost no movement of caste.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

So the great hen now you are showing your real face of a Chinese, I can give you the dose of your medicine but i will be like to respond more reasonably. I can surely reply you in such a manner that you will feel hot coals in your underwear. But there should be a difference between a Indian and a Chinese.

1.) Now Why we (India/Indians) are more alert when it comes to china is simply because you have back stabbed us in past.

2.) Indians believes in forgiveness but we can not forget our disrespect or back stabbers.

3.) You are claiming Mongolia, tomorrow china will claim USA and day after tomorrow China will claim the moon.
Calm down these are all the actions by you people which makes world suspicious of your real intentions.

4.) The Chinese area which are developed currently are only because of the Japanese, if you take out your neck from your well you will see former Japanese colonies like korea and taiwan progressed much earlier than China and they have freedom, human rights and democracy. Also you have received free gift of Hong Kong from Britishers a fully developed international financial hub.
So the great hen chauvinism is biggest myth and communist propaganda.

5.) No.....never India's progeress is only because of the hardwork and efforts of Indians. Bangaluru, Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad, Gurgaon, Noida, Ahamedabad, Surat etc. are contributing in India's progress because of the handwork of Indians be it a Hindu/Muslim/sikh/christian, tamil/telg/Marathi/Punjabi/bihari/Gujarati.
Britishers have ruled a large part of Africa but Africa have not progress lie India. So, you got your answer.

6.) Recently concluded genetic research shows that some Indians have moved into china and Korea etc. and get settled there. Hence it is scientifically proved that Indians are the fathers of all of Chinese so respect your forefather, don't beg for our land rather merge china with India.

7.) If there was no such thing called India before British invasion then What was Christopher Columbus (c. 1451 – 20 May 1506) doing in the sea 200 year before British came India if not trying to discover the route to India and discovered America.
Kid grow up and try to come out of your well you will see a lot and learn a thing or two.

CAUTION:- For this first you have to leave all of your prejudices and come out of communist propaganda and hen chauvinism.

So stop dreaming about twang and Mongolia, please free Tibet and East Turkmenistan. Stop the killing of Tibetans and Muslims (Uighur)

ONLY THE CONSISTUTION OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA (TAIWAN) CLAIMS MONGOLIA!

BOTH CHINAS (ROC, PRC GOVERNMENTS) DON'T CLAIM MONGOLIA!

TIBET AND XINJIANG ARE PART OF CHINA!

IF YOU INDIA DON'T LIKE, PLEASE TERMINATE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH PRC, AND SEND THE TROOP TO TIBET AND XINJIANG TO FREE THEM!!

DON'T DO YOUR BULLSHIT OR MASTURBATION!!!!

FREE KASHMIR, SKIH AND TAMIL!!!

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

If YOU never invaded Tibet and force the issue, there would be no border conflict between China and India today.

Indian dxg are eating shxt?

Please use Bhutan, Nepel, South Tibet and Kashmir to be Sino-Indian buffer state!

Don't use Tibet, Chinese terrority!

 

[chinapakistan]

First you understand Caste:

A caste is a combined social system of occupation, endogamy, culture, social class, and political power. Caste should not be confused with class, in that members of a caste are deemed to be alike in function or culture, whereas not all members of a defined class may be so alike.



The Caste System or varna-ashrama has been one of the most misrepresented, misinformed, misunderstood, misused and the most maligned aspects of Hinduism. If one wants to understand the truth, the original purpose behind the caste system, one must go to antiquity to study the evolution of the caste system. Caste System, which is said to be the mainstay of the Hindu social order, has no sanction in the Vedas. The ancient culture of India was based upon a system of social diversification according to SPIRITUAL development, not by birth, but by his karma. This system became hereditary and over the course of many centuries degenerated as a result of exploitation by some priests, and other socio-economic elements of society.



Socio Economic Structure:

This division of society into four types, the teacher, the warrior, the merchant and the laborer, is based on sound psychology, ethics, biology and economics. Some men are intellectually by temperament, some are active, some acquisitive and others undefined, none of these. To each are assigned the task true to its type, in conformity with its inherent temperament, svadharma.All together formed an organic whole. Under an arrangement such as this, there is conservation of social energies; there is no necessity of trial and error method. All are not equally endowed with equal physical and mental capacities, but every one should be given an opportunity for putting to use the faculties with which he has been endowed. Man should be treated as man, and not as an economic hand. Danger of exploitation of one group by another can be eliminated. Social harmony and conscious co-operation were made the chief characteristics of human association. The ideal was to evolve a functional and not an acquisitive society. It is this varna dharma that has been the bulwark of Indian civilization and saved it from wreckage of time. Each group had its duties and its own rewards or compensation. The laborer had to work, but he was to be looked after as a younger member of a family. The man of desire, the vaishya, was to acquire wealth; power and authority was vested in the kshatriya, while all these were to honor the teacher, to obey his religious and spiritual injunctions and accept his guidance. The teacher was to be supported by the gifts of the other three groups.



In an inter-faith debate, most Hindus can easily be put on the defensive with a single word-caste. Any anti-Hindu polemist can be counted on to allege that "the typically Hindu caste system is the most cruel apartheid, imposed by the barbaric white Aryan invaders on the gentle dark-skinned natives." Here's a more balanced and historical account of this controversial institution. Merits of the Caste System

The caste system is often portrayed as the ultimate horror. Inborn inequality is indeed unacceptable to us moderns, but this does not preclude that the system has also had its merits. Caste is perceived as an "exclusion-from," but first of all it is a form of "belonging-to," a natural structure of solidarity. For this reason, Christian and Muslim missionaries found it very difficult to lure Hindus away from their communities. Sometimes castes were collectively converted to Islam, and Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) decreed that the missionaries could tolerate caste distinction among Christian converts; but by and large, caste remained an effective hurdle to the destruction of Hinduism through conversion. That is why the missionaries started attacking the institution of caste and in particular the Brahmin caste. This propaganda has bloomed into a full-fledged anti-Brahminism, the Indian equivalent of anti-Semitism. Every caste had a large measure of autonomy, with its own judiciary, duties and privileges, and often its own temples. Inter-caste affairs were settled at the village council by consensus; even the lowest caste had veto power. This autonomy of intermediate levels of society is the antithesis of the totalitarian society in which the individual stands helpless before the all-powerful state. This decentralized structure of civil society and of the Hindu religious commonwealth has been crucial to the survival of Hinduism under Muslim rule. Whereas Buddhism was swept away as soon as its monasteries were destroyed, Hinduism retreated into its caste structure and weathered the storm. Caste also provided a framework for integrating immigrant communities: Jews, Zoroastrians and Syrian Christians. They were not only tolerated, but assisted in efforts to preserve their distinctive traditions.

As grey boy said on the previous post, Do you think people was happy with this kind of treatment???

"Dalits are not allowed to drink from the same wells, attend the same temples, wear shoes in the presence of an upper caste, or drink from the same cups in tea stalls," said Smita Narula, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, and author of Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "Untouchables." Human Rights Watch is a worldwide activist organization based in New York.

India's Untouchables are relegated to the lowest jobs, and live in constant fear of being publicly humiliated, paraded naked, beaten, and raped with impunity by upper-caste Hindus seeking to keep them in their place. Merely walking through an upper-caste neighborhood is a life-threatening offense.

And can you tell me who had the right to decide one's Karma during ancient india, and aslo who has the right to decide one's Karma in modern india now?

 

[Red Dwarf]

A caste is unique in India as other society has social classes, India has castes. People can move from one class in other societies but in a caste base society, there is no or almost no movement of caste.

Yes there is. If an upper-class person marries a lower-class women, then the children can choose whichever caste he wants to be. In most cases its the father class determine the children class.

The caste system as you said is unique in india. The main reason India government decides to continue the cast system is to elevate those backward classes to into mainstream by giving reservations bcoz past upper-class generations made them weaker and poorer. Once a stage reached where all now backward communities are economically sound, then it is possible to abolish the caste system in india.

But you must understand one thing. The cast system is rooted in India for millenias. Its that not easy to eradicate.

 

[faithfulguy]

Yes there is. If an upper-class person marries a lower-class women, then the children can choose whichever caste he wants to be. In most cases its the father class determine the children class.

The caste system as you said is unique in india. The main reason India government decides to continue the cast system is to elevate those backward classes to into mainstream by giving reservations bcoz past upper-class generations made them weaker and poorer. Once a stage reached where all now backward communities are economically sound, then it is possible to abolish the caste system in india.

But you must understand one thing. The cast system is rooted in India for millenias. Its that not easy to eradicate.

Its not just part of the culture, but its an essence of Hinduism. From what I understand, the forward castes are regarded as twice born caste, isn't it.

I think the caste issues is more severe in the villages than in the cities. Also, India has a lot of marriage because of love nowadays. But its still more common for parents to pick the partner of their kids out of the same caste.

That is something that India need to deal with for India to progress further.

 

[ssheppard]

As grey boy said on the previous post, Do you think people was happy with this kind of treatment???

"Dalits are not allowed to drink from the same wells, attend the same temples, wear shoes in the presence of an upper caste, or drink from the same cups in tea stalls," said Smita Narula, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, and author of Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "Untouchables." Human Rights Watch is a worldwide activist organization based in New York.

India's Untouchables are relegated to the lowest jobs, and live in constant fear of being publicly humiliated, paraded naked, beaten, and raped with impunity by upper-caste Hindus seeking to keep them in their place. Merely walking through an upper-caste neighborhood is a life-threatening offense.

And can you tell me who had the right to decide one's Karma during ancient india, and aslo who has the right to decide one's Karma in modern india now?

Did you understand what I wrote...Did ou understand the line that says "This system became hereditary and over the course of many centuries degenerated as a result of exploitation by some priests, and other socio-economic elements of society"

Well ...if one someone was educated and could impart education..then he was called a Brahmin....if someone could fight he was called Kshatriya...if some one could do business he was called vaishya...and so on ....so forth.....why do you think some one decided...someones karma.....it was the person himself ..who decided the profession he wanted to pick.....

This system is now more or less rejected by India constitution..an has no place apart form society...and nothing else...its slowing dying its death...in Modern India...it may exist in Rural India and will die out soon......but for people like yourself...this system lives in Debates ...just to put Indians on a back-foot.....


See greyboy for example....any debate he loses..he ends it with a Cast System Post....

For the Hindus, the caste system is not a man-made invention to justify slavery but the recognition of the Creator’s will, the codification of a state of fact, an attempt to harmonize human society in accordance with the general scheme of creation. It is easy to see that despite all the national and linguistic barriers, even modern Western society is fundamentally, like all societies, a caste system. From whatever position we view it, we see international corporations whose members have far more in common with each other than with the various professional or social levels of their own country. The problem with western society derive from the fact that while proclaiming the equality of men, it is entirely graded on a hierarchical system as far as the professions are concerned.


Under the pretext of equality, Western lawmakers do not let the various groups cooperate among themselves while keeping their different habits, ethics, and social life. Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Celts, Basques, Albigensians, Pygmies, blacks, or Inuits are accorded a relative equality on on condition that they conform to our customs, losing most of their social, national, and religious characteristics and in fact abandoning their own personality.

In order to cope with all the problems posed by a multiracial society, the Hindu lawgivers sought to establish rules making coexistence possible, resulting in the caste system which is still today solidly established in India despite all efforts to destroy it. In a country where populations of highly different origins and aptitudes live side by side, from men of the forest to refined Gangetic craftsmen and proud Aryan warriors, an equitable place had to be found for all. Each had to be able to continue in his ancestral way of life, governed by laws suited to him and with the form of social, religious, agricultural, intellectual, and moral life he preferred, without adversely affecting the rest of the community. This meant recognizing each group and each individual’s right to be different which is in fact liberty’s only valid criterion.

"The system of the four castes was created according to the difference in aptitude and occupation....."

 

[faithfulguy]

Did you understand what I wrote...Did ou understand the line that says "This system became hereditary and over the course of many centuries degenerated as a result of exploitation by some priests, and other socio-economic elements of society"

Well ...if one someone was educated and could impart education..then he was called a Brahmin....if someone could fight he was called Kshatriya...if some one could do business he was called vaishya...and so on ....so forth.....why do you think some one decided...someones karma.....it was the person himself ..who decided the profession he wanted to pick.....

This system is now more or less rejected by India constitution..an has no place apart form society...and nothing else...its slowing dying its death...in Modern India...it may exist in Rural India and will die out soon......but for people like yourself...this system lives in Debates ...just to put Indians on a back-foot.....


See greyboy for example....any debate he loses..he ends it with a Cast System Post....

For the Hindus, the caste system is not a man-made invention to justify slavery but the recognition of the Creator’s will, the codification of a state of fact, an attempt to harmonize human society in accordance with the general scheme of creation. It is easy to see that despite all the national and linguistic barriers, even modern Western society is fundamentally, like all societies, a caste system. From whatever position we view it, we see international corporations whose members have far more in common with each other than with the various professional or social levels of their own country. The problem with western society derive from the fact that while proclaiming the equality of men, it is entirely graded on a hierarchical system as far as the professions are concerned.


Under the pretext of equality, Western lawmakers do not let the various groups cooperate among themselves while keeping their different habits, ethics, and social life. Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Celts, Basques, Albigensians, Pygmies, blacks, or Inuits are accorded a relative equality on on condition that they conform to our customs, losing most of their social, national, and religious characteristics and in fact abandoning their own personality.

In order to cope with all the problems posed by a multiracial society, the Hindu lawgivers sought to establish rules making coexistence possible, resulting in the caste system which is still today solidly established in India despite all efforts to destroy it. In a country where populations of highly different origins and aptitudes live side by side, from men of the forest to refined Gangetic craftsmen and proud Aryan warriors, an equitable place had to be found for all. Each had to be able to continue in his ancestral way of life, governed by laws suited to him and with the form of social, religious, agricultural, intellectual, and moral life he preferred, without adversely affecting the rest of the community. This meant recognizing each group and each individual’s right to be different which is in fact liberty’s only valid criterion.

"The system of the four castes was created according to the difference in aptitude and occupation.."

The difference between class and caste is that people can move up on classes but is stuck with the caste someone is borned with.

 

[chinapakistan]

Did you understand what I wrote...Did ou understand the line that says "This system became hereditary and over the course of many centuries degenerated as a result of exploitation by some priests, and other socio-economic elements of society"

Well ...if one someone was educated and could impart education..then he was called a Brahmin....if someone could fight he was called Kshatriya...if some one could do business he was called vaishya...and so on ....so forth.....why do you think some one decided...someones karma.....it was the person himself ..who decided the profession he wanted to pick.....

This system is now more or less rejected by India constitution..an has no place apart form society...and nothing else...its slowing dying its death...in Modern India...it may exist in Rural India and will die out soon......but for people like yourself...this system lives in Debates ...just to put Indians on a back-foot.....


See greyboy for example....any debate he loses..he ends it with a Cast System Post....

For the Hindus, the caste system is not a man-made invention to justify slavery but the recognition of the Creator’s will, the codification of a state of fact, an attempt to harmonize human society in accordance with the general scheme of creation. It is easy to see that despite all the national and linguistic barriers, even modern Western society is fundamentally, like all societies, a caste system. From whatever position we view it, we see international corporations whose members have far more in common with each other than with the various professional or social levels of their own country. The problem with western society derive from the fact that while proclaiming the equality of men, it is entirely graded on a hierarchical system as far as the professions are concerned.


Under the pretext of equality, Western lawmakers do not let the various groups cooperate among themselves while keeping their different habits, ethics, and social life. Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Celts, Basques, Albigensians, Pygmies, blacks, or Inuits are accorded a relative equality on on condition that they conform to our customs, losing most of their social, national, and religious characteristics and in fact abandoning their own personality.

In order to cope with all the problems posed by a multiracial society, the Hindu lawgivers sought to establish rules making coexistence possible, resulting in the caste system which is still today solidly established in India despite all efforts to destroy it. In a country where populations of highly different origins and aptitudes live side by side, from men of the forest to refined Gangetic craftsmen and proud Aryan warriors, an equitable place had to be found for all. Each had to be able to continue in his ancestral way of life, governed by laws suited to him and with the form of social, religious, agricultural, intellectual, and moral life he preferred, without adversely affecting the rest of the community. This meant recognizing each group and each individual’s right to be different which is in fact liberty’s only valid criterion.

"The system of the four castes was created according to the difference in aptitude and occupation....."

Hey, buddy. I really read your artical carefully, but what you said is quite different from what Red Dwarf said and common knowledge like below.
You said one person can decide their caste by choosing their carrer, but what Red Dwarf said is the children will be the same caste of his father and mother. It means if a child whose parents are both low caste has no change to be a high caste person.

Yes there is. If an upper-class person marries a lower-class women, then the children can choose whichever caste he wants to be. In most cases its the father class determine the children class.

The caste system as you said is unique in india. The main reason India government decides to continue the cast system is to elevate those backward classes to into mainstream by giving reservations bcoz past upper-class generations made them weaker and poorer. Once a stage reached where all now backward communities are economically sound, then it is possible to abolish the caste system in india.

But you must understand one thing. The cast system is rooted in India for millenias. Its that not easy to eradicate.

 

[ssheppard]

Hey, buddy. I really read your artical carefully, but what you said is quite different from what Red Dwarf said and common knowledge like below.
You said one person can decide their caste by choosing their carrer, but what Red Dwarf said is the children will be the same caste of his father and mother. It means if a child whose parents are both low caste has no change to be a high caste person.

Red dwarf is talking about what the system looks like right now....and I am talking about what was the purpose of the system.....when it was created....

You asked me a question about how do you think Caste system was supposed to help ...I gave you the details ..on how it was supposed to help......and grey boy is talking of the system ..that has been twisted for Centuries...and is in existence today....

 

[Red Dwarf]

Its not just part of the culture, but its an essence of Hinduism. From what I understand, the forward castes are regarded as twice born caste, isn't it.

I don't know much about hinduism even though i'm a part of it. From what i know there was only varnas there in the past. The caste system must have derived from varnas. Some must have misused the varnas for their own good. Just like politicians doing whatever they can to cling on to power.

I think the caste issues is more severe in the villages than in the cities. Also, India has a lot of marriage because of love nowadays. But its still more common for parents to pick the partner of their kids out of the same caste.

That is something that India need to deal with for India to progress further.

The caste system is still present everywhere. Even though the love marriages are on the rise, it is still a small part of the total marriage. Majority of the marriages are initiated by parents. Thats the tradition. Even though that seems odd to many, its still a perfect tradition suited for India.

Education is another problem. The type of atrocities that you are hearing against backward classes are mainly from north India where education is something they haven't able to grab yet..

 

[chinapakistan]

Red dwarf is talking about what the system looks like right now....and I am talking about what was the purpose of the system.....when it was created....

You asked me a question about how do you think Caste system was supposed to help ...I gave you the details ..on how it was supposed to help......and grey boy is talking of the system ..that has been twisted for Centuries...and is in existence today....

Ok, I see, the conclustion is the casle system is created to lead people happy but now it just makes low caste people become untouchable, weaker and poorer.

Thank you for your explanation.

 

[TheBraveHeart]

The difference between class and caste is that people can move up on classes but is stuck with the caste someone is borned with.

Dude, don't try to speak on an issue of which u don't hv the faintest of ideas....and this is coming from a lower caste person if u want to say so...

For those who want to know how the caste system today....read further...

I was born in a lower caste and still used to hate the caste system...used to argue in the community about its relevance....and then one fine day...I was reminded that my Jr. college admission cud only take place in one of the best colleges because of the caste....

That was when I realized today most people don't follow the caste system because of their religion but to extract benefits bestowed like quality education with less marks,jobs with less qualification and then quick and untimely promotions...

the govt. allows the system to persist because of votes and nothing else...the constitution itself had mentioned the caste system to be abolished within 50 yrs which no govt. wants to recite......

To make a point, I had decided last yr, never to misuse the caste again...so here I am looking for a good MBA institute for about an year at home coz if I had used my caste I would have been in one of the top five college but chose not to do so......

But I have achieved my goal of moving away from the caste I was born in, no one now considers my caste(unless I want to furnish a paper)..I am a general candidate....after a decade or two my children won't even know what their caste is and will consider themselves general....

The problem is people need not change their caste(faithful guy tries hard to do so which will rather increase the divide) but rather relinquish it and come to a single level field...

 

[faithfulguy]

Dude, don't try to speak on an issue of which u don't hv the faintest of ideas....and this is coming from a lower caste person if u want to say so...

For those who want to know how the caste system today....read further...

I was born in a lower caste and still used to hate the caste system...used to argue in the community about its relevance....and then one fine day...I was reminded that my Jr. college admission cud only take place in one of the best colleges because of the caste....

That was when I realized today most people don't follow the caste system because of their religion but to extract benefits bestowed like quality education with less marks,jobs with less qualification and then quick and untimely promotions...

the govt. allows the system to persist because of votes and nothing else...the constitution itself had mentioned the caste system to be abolished within 50 yrs which no govt. wants to recite......

To make a point, I had decided last yr, never to misuse the caste again...so here I am looking for a good MBA institute for about an year at home coz if I had used my caste I would have been in one of the top five college but chose not to do so......

But I have achieved my goal of moving away from the caste I was born in, no one now considers my caste(unless I want to furnish a paper)..I am a general candidate....after a decade or two my children won't even know what their caste is and will consider themselves general....

The problem is people need not change their caste(faithful guy tries hard to do so which will rather increase the divide) but rather relinquish it and come to a single level field...

Well, I'm just explaining it as how I know it. As I'm not an Indian, I only know it from 2nd hand source.