Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[cirr]

FFG 539 "Wuhu"(the 25th Type 054A) inducted on 29.06.2017

 

[cirr]

A new sub launched today at WC. JN builds more 039Xs.

 

[rendong]

25th type 054A FFG 539 WuHu芜湖

 

[grey boy 2]

Breaking news guys: Some new capability of 054A FFG which was never been known before,
"The VLS of 054A could launch 鱼8 long range anti-submarine torpedo as well"
054A上的垂发射鱼8正式披露

一国两制呀

 

[帅的一匹]

航母到香港了没？

Has our CBG arrived at Hong Kong?

 

[Beast]

航母到香港了没？

Has our CBG arrived at Hong Kong?

I thought it will arrived at 7 July?

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

In general though, even at their slowest pace, the Chinese build Destroyers, seemingly at a quicker rate than their Western counterparts.................but by far the slowest are the Indians, who take a staggering 10 years to build their Destroyers.

ORP Ślązak for the navy of Poland is just a patrol boat and it took a grand total of fourteen years to be constructed from 2001 to 2015. In fact the ship is right now still being fitted out two years after it was launched.

 

[grey boy 2]

航母到香港了没？

Has our CBG arrived at Hong Kong?

I thought it will arrived at 7 July?

Not until the 7th, that what i saw in news

 

[Beast]

S band and X band dual band AESA that allows multi engage more than 12 targets, it may even triple that amount.
S band for detection while X band for engagement. Tradition naval radar needs dedicate fire control and one sensor for one task but AESA will carry out multi task of surface and air engagement.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-is-a-reality-check-for-the-us-and-its-allies

A very good article , althought still has some biased but a real reality wake-up for west.


The Type 055 is also another signal that China can no longer be viewed as a potential adversary living in a perpetual "catch-up mode" technologically speaking. The Chinese are increasingly doing things their own way and even tacking big independent technological risks, such as incorporating a dual-band radar into a picket ship before the US does. So the Chinese military, and the industry that supports it, still be copycats when it comes to defense concepts, but increasingly less so in terms of discreet hardware and integrated weapons systems themselves.

 

[monitor]

Chinese naval vessels (surface ships only) was launched in the first half in 2017

 

[Penguin]

ORP Ślązak for the navy of Poland is just a patrol boat and it took a grand total of fourteen years to be constructed from 2001 to 2015. In fact the ship is right now still being fitted out two years after it was launched.

That's not fair to the builder: it is a Meko A100 (little brother to South African and Algeria A200) but not fully fitted out as corvette/light frigate as intended due to money problems. The only reason this ship still exists is that otherwise the 80% complete hull would have been left to rot. So, it was turned into an OPV rather than the more expensive corvette it was originally designed to be. The whole project was limited to 1 ship from 7 total. Due to government money problems, the yard didn't get work and went bankrupt. This says nothing about their ability to build quick had funding for the ships been forthcoming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Ślązak_(2015)

Check out the second Neustrashimy class frigate's history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neustrashimyy-class_frigate

777 Yaroslav Mudry
laid down 1988
launched May 1991
commissioned 2009

That's 21 years (but not very representative of Russian yard).

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

Due to government money problems, the yard didn't get work and went bankrupt. This says nothing about their ability to build quick had funding for the ships been forthcoming.

That only further illustrates how their government was unable to manage such a military construction project, which had been my point from the beginning as Poland very much shares that problem with India.

 

[Penguin]

That only further illustrates how their government was unable to manage such a military construction project, which had been my point from the beginning as Poland very much shares that problem with India.

No, it just means that coming out of the Warsaw Pact / Comecon, they were in a very bad monetary, fiscal and economic position to begin with: the Polish commercial shipbuilding and repair industries had increasingly benefitted from work placed in its yards by the Soviet Union, only approximately 25 percent of Polands's shipbuilding output would reach purchasers in the West, compared with 50 percent to Soviet Bloc countries and 25 percent to Polish shippers. So, when CCCP went, pretty much half their business evaporated nearly overnight. And, they also got hit real bad by the 2008/9 crisis. The Polish shipbuilding industry collapsed in 2009, with employment will declining from 11,000 in the Gdansk, Szczecin and Gdynia yards in May 2009 to about half number the following year.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/pl-shipbuilding.htm
http://www.polandatsea.com/polands-shipbuilding-industry-with-sales-of-eur-2-5-billion-in-2015/
http://www.transnav.eu/files/Fall+and+Rise+of+Polish+Shipbuilding+Industry,638.pdf

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

The Polish shipbuilding industry collapsed in 2009, with employment will declining from 11,000 in the Gdansk, Szczecin and Gdynia yards in May 2009 to about half number the following year.

To be fair, most countries got hit quite badly from the Great Recession. Even shipbuilders in the far east were heavily impacted by reduced demand in those years. More critical sectors within the country should have been controlled more effectively no matter the economic situation, with the military industry being one.

 

[Penguin]

More critical sectors within the country should have been controlled more effectively no matter the economic situation, with the military industry being one.

But can you blame that on the shipbuilding companies?