Chinese military: Taiwan's F-16V useless against the PLA

[925boy]

The same people who think Taiwan even today has any real chance of succesfully resisting the PLA if it went on the offensive are the same people who say Iran isnt controlling the persian gulf. They are seeing current reality through historic lens, not modern reality lens. Give them time, for time will take them out of their fake reality.

 

[F-22Raptor]

During the missile crisis of 1995 when the USN humiliated China over Taiwan, a Chinese general bragged that they will invade Taiwan by 2015 if it did not surrender. It is 2019 and still waiting...

Man, any Chinese invasion of Taiwan would mean the end of the family line of hundreds of thousands of Chinese and defeat if USN/JN get involved to boot.

China only has around 60 amphibious transport ships, and its thought US/Japanese/Taiwanese forces would only need to sink around 20 of them to stop a Chinese invasion in its tracks. Hundreds of advanced antiship missiles could be launched into the Strait along with mines and submarines lying in wait. Hundreds or thousands of land attack cruise missiles could be fired on Chinese naval ports and airfields. Attacks would be carried out against Chinese merchant vessels, the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. Whatever Chinese force that made it through the Strait alive would be slaughtered on the beaches of Taiwan. Taiwan has prepared for this for decades.

 

[gambit]

Typical self doctored fake article with so called unidentified author. The unidentified author is the same hater like you who hate PLA and give whatever hatre opinion he deems. You claim this kind of garbage as proof? Can you used something new?

Say what...???

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a430961.pdf

In mid-1993, Xu also assumed co-editorship of the Liberation Army Daily

Finally, the extensive interpretation of Jiang’s theory in the Liberation Army Daily

For example, Liberation Army Daily, the mouthpiece of the PLA, created China National Defense Daily to facilitate the social diffusion of national defense values

The 'Liberation Army Daily' is a PLA service. Not US. Not RAND. But PLA. I doubt General Xu Caihou is a US Army/AF/Navy/Marines officer, ya think?

No, am not saying that General Xu was that anonymous author. Am saying that the Liberation Army Daily is a legitimate Chinese source from the PLA and it contains an anonymous author, most likely a staff level officer, who pointed out the PLA's shortcomings compares to the US military.

Why do I suspect that this anonymous author is a staff level officer in the PLA? Because of the contents what he wrote. He pointed out theory and strategic long term points. A staff level officer is often the translator of theory into operations for subordinate units. A staff posting is a requirement for every officer who intends to make the military his life. So now you have a PLA mid-grade officer with intention of achieving flag ranks (general or admiral) who anonymously wrote a critical piece of what he saw in the PLA in contrasts with the US military.

But of course...You have Korea to fall back on...

 

[lcloo]

China only has around 60 amphibious transport ships, and its thought US/Japanese/Taiwanese forces would only need to sink around 20 of them to stop a Chinese invasion in its tracks. Hundreds of advanced antiship missiles could be launched into the Strait along with mines and submarines lying in wait. Hundreds or thousands of land attack cruise missiles could be fired on Chinese naval ports and airfields. Attacks would be carried out against Chinese merchant vessels, the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. Whatever Chinese force that made it through the Strait alive would be slaughtered on the beaches of Taiwan. Taiwan has prepared for this for decades.

China will take over Taiwan from Multiples fronts. From the air comes EW planes shutting off all communications, anti-radiation missiles take out radars. Electrical supply cut off by 5th Columns and special forces. All military ports will be mined and blockaded. All airbases will be blasted by long range rockets, emergency highways as alternate runways will be bombed as well.

Sea assault and airborne assault will only be carried out after Air superiority is achieved, and all Taiwanese ships immobilized.

People's Republic of China flags flying in Taiwan Taipei city by anti-independent Taiwanese in 2019 April.

 

[Beast]

China only has around 60 amphibious transport ships, and its thought US/Japanese/Taiwanese forces would only need to sink around 20 of them to stop a Chinese invasion in its tracks. Hundreds of advanced antiship missiles could be launched into the Strait along with mines and submarines lying in wait. Hundreds or thousands of land attack cruise missiles could be fired on Chinese naval ports and airfields. Attacks would be carried out against Chinese merchant vessels, the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. Whatever Chinese force that made it through the Strait alive would be slaughtered on the beaches of Taiwan. Taiwan has prepared for this for decades.

I doubt Taiwan even got chances to fire those anti-ship missile. As I say, Taiwan has no answer to China ballistic missile attack. They are not cruise missile. Their fire power and speed are far greater than cruise missile, couple with precision. Taiwan shore defense are sitting duck. China has WS-2 and SY-4 long range multiple rocket which range and speed equivalent to ballistic missile. They are plenty. Helo can easily ferry large number of crack troops once Taiwan defense is destroyed by missile. Not much is left for Taiwan to take on China.

 

[UKBengali]

China only has around 60 amphibious transport ships, and its thought US/Japanese/Taiwanese forces would only need to sink around 20 of them to stop a Chinese invasion in its tracks. Hundreds of advanced antiship missiles could be launched into the Strait along with mines and submarines lying in wait. Hundreds or thousands of land attack cruise missiles could be fired on Chinese naval ports and airfields. Attacks would be carried out against Chinese merchant vessels, the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. Whatever Chinese force that made it through the Strait alive would be slaughtered on the beaches of Taiwan. Taiwan has prepared for this for decades.

China cannot afford the terrible price to conquer Taiwan at this moment.

I doubt Taiwan even got chances to fire those anti-ship missile. As I say, Taiwan has no answer to China ballistic missile attack. They are not cruise missile. Their fire power and speed are far greater than cruise missile, couple with precision. Taiwan shore defense are sitting duck. China has WS-2 and SY-4 long range multiple rocket which range and speed equivalent to ballistic missile. They are plenty. Helo can easily ferry large number of crack troops once Taiwan defense is destroyed by missile. Not much is left for Taiwan to take on China.

Single soldier with manpads can deal with helicopter.

 

[Beast]

China cannot afford the terrible price to conquer Taiwan at this moment.



Single soldier with manpads can deal with helicopter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-10

Missile range 10km... Manpad max range 6km. Z-10 once sighted the manpad position can comfortably take them out without exposing too much to their firepower. And not to mention the skies will be monitor by HAL UCAV seeking out potential of these threat and feed these info to Z-10 gunship. Their flying height will be immune manpad attack.

Another thing I want to mention is ROC soldier will to fight PRC is extremely low. They know they have no way to fight PRC once they lost control of skies. Many are bitter of conscript and the professional one are not that well trained. Most of their major exercises are always full of drama, operational readiness is low.

 

[gambit]

Damn good video games in China...

 

[Beidou2020]

You truly are delusional if you believe missile attacks are going make Taiwan surrender. And they will hide their most critical assets in hardened bunkers dug in mountains. Taiwan has had decades to prepare for Chinese missile attacks.

The vast majority of Taiwan has no interest in integrating with China. They already view themselves as being independent. They will never reunify peacefully.

What exactly is Taiwan going to destroy China with?

How long can Taiwan keep the war going?

The military gap between China and Taiwan will only grow in favour of China as time passes.

The delusional people are the ones that think Taiwan can defeat China in a war. Taiwan defeating China in a military war is as delusional as US defeating China in a trade war.

 

[UKBengali]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-10

Missile range 10km... Manpad max range 6km. Z-10 once sighted the manpad position can comfortably take them out without exposing too much to their firepower. And not to mention the skies will be monitor by HAL UCAV seeking out potential of these threat and feed these info to Z-10 gunship. Their flying height will be immune manpad attack.

Another thing I want to mention is ROC soldier will to fight PRC is extremely low. They know they have no way to fight PRC once they lost control of skies. Many are bitter of conscript and the professional one are not that well trained. Most of their major exercises are always full of drama, operational readiness is low.

Impossible to reliably detect single soldier with manpads.

 

[Beidou2020]

Taiwan has prepared for this for decades.

According to this guy Taiwan has been prepared for decades but apparently in his mind China hasn’t prepared for decades.

American delusion at its best. This is the same delusion that thought the US could easily defeat China in a trade war. Or that US could defeat China in the Korean War when China was weak.

China has completely isolated Taiwan diplomatically over the past 30 years and now Taiwan is completely dependent on the Chinese economy. Taiwan has nowhere to go anymore. They need the Chinese market. Just a matter of time before Taiwanese leaders agree to a ‘One Country, Two Systems’ agreement with China.

 

[lcloo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-10

Missile range 10km... Manpad max range 6km. Z-10 once sighted the manpad position can comfortably take them out without exposing too much to their firepower. And not to mention the skies will be monitor by HAL UCAV seeking out potential of these threat and feed these info to Z-10 gunship. Their flying height will be immune manpad attack.

Another thing I want to mention is ROC soldier will to fight PRC is extremely low. They know they have no way to fight PRC once they lost control of skies. Many are bitter of conscript and the professional one are not that well trained. Most of their major exercises are always full of drama, operational readiness is low.

You got a very important point. Taiwanese military are ALL Conscript, and many are very reluctant to join their armed forces. Against an overwhelming army of volunteers they lack the will to fight. Moreover they known very well PLA can take over Taiwan within a week, so what is the point to fight for a war that is destined to be lost? Fighting for Greenie or the Blues ? Better be safe than fight.

 

[F-22Raptor]

China will take over Taiwan from Multiples fronts. From the air comes EW planes shutting off all communications, anti-radiation missiles take out radars. Electrical supply cut off by 5th Columns and special forces. All military ports will be mined and blockaded. All airbases will be blasted by long range rockets, emergency highways as alternate runways will be bombed as well.

Sea assault and airborne assault will only be carried out after Air superiority is achieved, and all Taiwanese ships immobilized.

People's Republic of China flags flying in Taiwan Taipei city by anti-independent Taiwanese in 2019 April.

Taiwan will have at least 2 months advanced warning of Chinese military buildup and disperse their assets appropriately. China will need a force in the millions to successfully take Taiwan. They don’t have the logistical capability to do it. They don’t have the lift or escort capacity. Not anywhere close. And with US and Japanese intervention, China will be defeated. At the the cost of hundreds of thousands of Chinese lives.

What exactly is Taiwan going to destroy China with?

How long can Taiwan keep the war going?

The military gap between China and Taiwan will only grow in favour of China as time passes.

The delusional people are the ones that think Taiwan can defeat China in a war. Taiwan defeating China in a military war is as delusional as US defeating China in a trade war.

China doesn’t have the amphibious capability to take Taiwan. They don’t have the lift or escort capacity. China will need a force of at least three times the defending force. And US/Japanese/Taiwanese forces would only need to sink around 20 Chinese amphib transports to defeat a Chinese invasion. That’s well within their capability. And Chinese supply lines would be held at severe risk by US and Japanese forces.

China would be defeated and the PLA knows it. That’s why Taiwan has been independent for the last 70 years.

 

[LeGenD]

It is easy to start a war but it is difficult to understand how long it will last and what would be the cost to bear in the process.

Consider the 'case studies' of French, American and Chinese* expeditions in Vietnam where each failed in succession over time.

*For reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

China is a powerful country (without any doubt), and is capable of taking over Taiwan in theory. However, Taiwan had been preparing for this 'eventuality', and might be packing surprises of its own on the ground.

F-16V is among the most formidable fighter aircraft ever built, and can defeat anything Chinese in the air, if in capable hands of-course. However, I do not know much about the quality of Taiwanese pilots in person so I cannot tell much as to how effective F-16V would be in strictly Taiwanese hands.

Nevertheless, if US decide to help Taiwan thwart a potential Chinese take over, China cannot win in this scenario. Sorry friends, one need to be realistic in his assessment and look beyond the aura of ballistic and cruise missiles.

 

[F-22Raptor]

China cannot afford the terrible price to conquer Taiwan at this moment.



Single soldier with manpads can deal with helicopter.

The Chinese PDF Brigade believes they can lob 1,000 missiles at Taiwan and they will fall in line. It shows you how delusional they are.