Chinese government, nervous about comparisons between Tahrir and Tiananmen

[cross1993]

to My Indian friend

You have a deep misunderstanding of China, Allow me to explain it for you. Why is "scream democracy" useless to the Chinese people?
China has a traditional Ruling Ideology, that is "内圣外王".

That is why most Chinese people do not trust the USA. Because the USA is that "内圣外王"! We are too familiar with the practice of the USA. We have 5,000 years to play "内圣外王".
What is "内圣外王"?
make easy, "内圣" is "protect own citizens, defend their interests", "外王" is "unfair treatment of foreign, implementation imperialism."
内圣外王 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

So USA democracy is only democracy in the American people.
Other countries democratic, have or have not, the decision by the US's interests.

Therefore, Chinese people will see "Dictatorship" or "Democracy" as the USA to develop rules of the game.
Britons have rules "The transmission of civilization", use it to colonial the world.
Crusader have rules "Holy war", use it to invasion of the Middle East.
Ancient China also have rules "教化蛮夷", we certainly is not a good neighbor...

So We will not follow the rules of the USA, we will draw up own rules.

USA media can not deceive us. It wants us to do, not necessarily in our interest, just consistent with USA interests.
We will find own way, to develop new rules of the game, protect our own interests.

 

[below_freezing]

chinese government has popular support with it's people.
egypt's old government doesn't.

it's the economy stupid.

Not just that... egypt has no citizen participation in the government. if you're not part of the ruling class by being born into it, you can never participate. On the other hand, in China literally anyone can be part of the ruling class. There's huge social mobility in China, and lack of social mobility along with inflation is more of a cause of revolutions than pure poverty. Egypt had the potential to turn into the Japan of Africa but instead is... well, African.

 

[cross1993]

Do you understand?
We have our own rules. USA Rules "democracy" can not affect the Chinese people.

1, Chinese people believe that, Prosperous life important than a single vote.
2, Ordinary Chinese people can become president, but not through the media to get the seat. You have to start from the most junior civil servants, You must through capacity and effort been promoted again and again, So he is definitely not a fool who can be president.

That is the Chinese-style democracy, do not rely on the mouth!

 

[casual]

Not just that... egypt has no citizen participation in the government. if you're not part of the ruling class by being born into it, you can never participate. On the other hand, in China literally anyone can be part of the ruling class. There's huge social mobility in China, and lack of social mobility along with inflation is more of a cause of revolutions than pure poverty. Egypt had the potential to turn into the Japan of Africa but instead is... well, African.

ya but i do feel that the chinese government is too paranoid about any issue that challenges their rule. they should confront the tiananman head on instead of putting it off and hiding it. it may hurt at first but it's good for the long term.

 

[Tractor]

Do you understand?
We have our own rules. USA Rules "democracy" can not affect the Chinese people.

1, Chinese people believe that, Prosperous life important than a single vote.
2, Ordinary Chinese people can become president, but not through the media to get the seat. You have to start from the most junior civil servants, You must through capacity and effort been promoted again and again, So he is definitely not a fool who can be president.

That is the Chinese-style democracy, do not rely on the mouth!

Westerners believe pleasure more important ,who make them happy in imagination who will gain the leadership.

 

[Tractor]

ya but i do feel that the chinese government is too paranoid about any issue that challenges their rule. they should confront the tiananman head on instead of putting it off and hiding it. it may hurt at first but it's good for the long term.

Exactly,paranoid about any issue, internet restrictions is the typical one.

 

[cross1993]

Westerners believe pleasure more important ,who make them happy in imagination who will gain the leadership.

So USA had some good president, for example: Clinton, Bush(old)... and USA also had some bad president, for example(only my opinion): Bush(young), Obama... And the China National policy is very stable.

 

[Obambam]

Indian government is nervous and trapped in few questions asked by Indian army.

"Perhaps for the first time Indian government is nervous and trapped in few questions asked by Indian army. Our mighty army has refused to fire bullets on the people of their own country. Interestingly, if central government goes against the army it will surely prove to be catastrophic.
On 5th of June, defense minister A.K Antony went to Lucknow so that he could handle the head office of middle command and rest of army official proceedings against Naxals.

Obtrusively, most of the Naxal dominant states come in the sway of middle command.

In the Surya auditorium of middle command head office, the meeting of defense minister and army commander had a huge gathering as all top officials like officer commanding in chief of middle command, Leftinent General Vijay Kumar Ahluwalia, chief of staff of middle command Guatam Baneerjee, Major General V.S Kalia, all top officials were present there. The dozens of questions which were raised in the meeting has trapped both defense ministry and the central government.

No doubt Naxalism is a law and order problem. The civil police and administration should find its solution. After such disagreement the central government must assume the consequences. The report sent by middle command to defense ministry regarding the Naxal issue manifested the will of the army.

The defense Minister didn’t speak anything during his Lucknow tour and called it a sensitive issue. In the last month of 17 to 21st may Lieutenant General Vijay Kumar Ahluwalia submitted a report which was given to commander conference for further discussion and it took five long days and in the end there was no response.

In order to espionage the Naxal affected regions around 7,300 crore rupees have been spent along with the help of American secret satellite, CRPF, Cobra Force,C-60 ,Grey Hounds, Indo-Tibet border police and anti Naxal striking force been spent now the plan is to remove the army.

Army had surveyed that Naxal affected region is very rich in diamond, gold, iron ore, bauxite, powder ,stone, coal, granite, silica, quartzite. Many national and international affluents want to have a grip in this region.

Almost 60 per cent of the country’s coal and 20 per cent of iron is in jharkhand, occupied by big houses like Tata, Essar and Jindal. In the world market the price of iron ore is 210 dollar every tonne and the big houses purchase it at the rate of 27 rupees every tonne and and earn a huge amount. Almost lakhs of acres of land in Jharkhand, Orissa and Chattisgarh is sold to big houses like Tata, Birla, Jindal, Essar, Mittal, Vedanta, Posco, Holkim and Rayo Tinto .People in these regions become homeless. The naxal operations have been the only obstacle in atrocious plans of big industrial houses."

I think India should focus more on their problems and human rights issues before talking about its neighbours so vigorously and with such enthusiasm.
It looks like Indian governemt has not only corruption, poverty, inequality, health, starvation to worry about, but also internal conflicts and split between the Indian central command and its army's reluctance in attacking its own communist communities.

 

[prototype]

Now it seems China is targeted unnecessarily on every topic under the sun.

Freedom of speech,well Egypt had that,china dont according to international opinion but it was not China were uprising started,Tianaman a history Chinese want to forget,sure china had changed by leaps all those yrs,better living,better economy,technological advance.

The problem in Egypt was mainly improper governance and a faltering economy,same with Tunisia,holds true for many Arab nation's,but from where China came in.

China is witnessing the growth of its century,from the forum itself it is obvious that Chinese r more than pleased with its govt and their system.

China as second Egypt,no way.

 

[scuthan]

speak of speech of freedom...well i won't be arrested for posting "i hate Sonia Ghandi" in china.

 

[Nomenclature]

I don't think Chinese government is nervous, it's only being cautious. Pride comes before the downfall.

 

[Merilion]

speak of speech of freedom...well i won't be arrested for posting "i hate Sonia Ghandi" in china.

i won't get into any trouble for posting "i hate Obama" in china too.
but seriously i can say "down with Hu jintao" as many times as i like in china without any problem as long as i'm not a political figure there.

 

[below_freezing]

ya but i do feel that the chinese government is too paranoid about any issue that challenges their rule. they should confront the tiananman head on instead of putting it off and hiding it. it may hurt at first but it's good for the long term.

agreed somewhat. they dealt with it in the few years after the event but now they dropped it. i don't think it's worth mentioning too much. does the US mention kent state every day? it's just a dark day in our history and no one within China's borders benefitted, so let's drop it.

the internet restrictions more for protecting domestic software companies (my speculation), anti-racism and anti-**** than politics. Youtube used to be open until 2005, when massive amounts of racism from Taiwan, US, Japan and Korean users led to Chinese users insulting back, and the censors blocked it afterwards.

 

[CardSharp]

to My Indian friend

You have a deep misunderstanding of China, Allow me to explain it for you. Why is "scream democracy" useless to the Chinese people?
China has a traditional Ruling Ideology, that is "内圣外王".

That is why most Chinese people do not trust the USA. Because the USA is that "内圣外王"! We are too familiar with the practice of the USA. We have 5,000 years to play "内圣外王".
What is "内圣外王"?
make easy, "内圣" is "protect own citizens, defend their interests", "外王" is "unfair treatment of foreign, implementation imperialism."
内圣外王 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

So USA democracy is only democracy in the American people.
Other countries democratic, have or have not, the decision by the US's interests.

Therefore, Chinese people will see "Dictatorship" or "Democracy" as the USA to develop rules of the game.
Britons have rules "The transmission of civilization", use it to colonial the world.
Crusader have rules "Holy war", use it to invasion of the Middle East.
Ancient China also have rules "教化蛮夷", we certainly is not a good neighbor...

So We will not follow the rules of the USA, we will draw up own rules.

USA media can not deceive us. It wants us to do, not necessarily in our interest, just consistent with USA interests.
We will find own way, to develop new rules of the game, protect our own interests.

What you say is true but in China's history, there has always been 10% of the population who want to ruin it for the other 90%. These are the people who collaborated with the Japanese in the 30's, these are the red guards in 70's, the people screaming for democracy in the 80' and these are the twitter literati today.

It is these people who are given a voice outside of China and anyone with a differing opinion such as "to each their own" is systemically silenced.

 

[Aramsogo]

China is not Egypt. This is ridiculous.

Does Hu Jintao have term limits ? Yes
Does he have $1 Trillion (15% of China's) GDP sitting in a Private Swiss Bank Account? No
Is senior executive level corruption as bad in China as the Middle East, India or Africa ? No

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