China's new strategic bomber: H-6K mass produced

[IND151]

Last time you tried to intrude , your heli was forced to land in Skardu
Indian media said some sensitive information was taken off board
And you will intrude in Chinese territory ! Was that meant as a joke ? Or are you smoking Kandhar's finest again ?

What is this " still have " this and that argument ? Are you saying that Andaman , Hyderabad and Junagadh are disputed territories too ? India will have influence in Afghanistan ? No matter how much you spend , you cant do jack **** without explicit permission from the Govt of Pakistan ... The base in Tajikistan is nothing but a sitting duck ... Check if you share a border with them or if they have a sea , Else how would you provide supplies during the war ?
Yeah , but lost 37% of Kashmir and Rann of Kutch to Pakistan A country 5 times smaller !
East Pakistanis never wanted to be with us from the start , I will love to see you try the same misadventure in mainland ...
Last time , you threatened , mobilized and backed off and in the process lost 800+ soldiers without us even firing a single bullet ... You are free to fantasize on whatever you are fed though

i guess you are referring to verdict of 1968

Pak claimed 100% Runn of Kutch but got only 10% of it

rest 90% remained with India

and our forces went in J&K only after instrument of accession was signed

we came late, still got more than 66% J&K

Ontopic> this H 6 will be best CM carrier for PLAAF as fighters cant carry 6 CMs

 

[Secur]

I thought you meant Pakistan is in possession of Rann of Kutch.

Are you confused by Lesser and Greater Rann on Kutch ? And yes that area is in possession of Pakistan ...

Pak claimed 100% Runn of Kutch but got only 10% of it

rest 90% remained with India

and our forces went in J&K only after instrument of accession was signed

we came late, still got more than 66% J&K

Yeah , that is exactly what i was enlightening you about , who lost territory there still ?

Your forces fought with PA for the whole next year , couldn't take the captured areas back , whilst the tribals advanced beyond Skardu and in the end Nehru had to run to UN ... Make that number 47 %

 

[nomi007]

h-6k is true stretagic bomber even can reach Guam
World Wide Web magazine news that the Russian defense industry reliable sources confirmed reports Russia "periscope -2" military sites, citing Canada "Han and defense review" (hereinafter referred to as "Han") on July 23 this year, China should 32 D30-KP-2 aircraft engines. Reported that the H-6K bombers may use these engines and equipment, the nature of strategic bombers with cruise missiles capable of carrying a range of 2000 km, which also made the U.S. very worried.

The following figure is a Western speculate that the H-6K bomber effective combat radius

 

[Contract Killer]

Are you confused by Lesser and Greater Rann on Kutch ? And yes that area is in possession of Pakistan ...



Yeah , that is exactly what i was enlightening you about , who lost territory there still ?

Your forces fought with PA for the whole next year , couldn't take the captured areas back , whilst the tribals advanced beyond Skardu and in the end Nehru had to run to UN ... Make that number 47 %

So this is what, taught in history books of Pakistan???

 

[DARKY]

What trolling is this? He stated that Indian su 30 MKIS are in fact more expensive than Russian ones. Is this not a fact? IS everyone who shatters your delusion a troll? As for the future price drops no one has seen such results yet and one can not assume such athing. SO your argument is based on future maybes while his is based on current facts. Yes he is the troll. Indian logic once again the marvel of the world i see. No disappointments so far.

Oh thats fine tvsram i would love to see more of your enlightened logic strip away my factually proven communist propagandistic arguments.

Indian Su 30MKI costs more than a Russian... yes it does... quiet obviously it would... did you try to find out the reason behind this ?
No.. you jumped along with a brainless troll...
Don't worry about the future price.. It would go even higher than what it is now... and don't bother to wonder why.. that would go over the head of your types.

 

[Secur]

So this is what, taught in history books of Pakistan???

No , I read it on Wikipedia ...

 

[Screambowl]

new engine， longer ranger，capability of firing long range cruise missiles.
and it will be only used for firing long range cruise missiles.

why do you need to increase the range of the aircraft when they do not have any airspace penetration use? and adding LONG RANGE cruise missiles to it???

are these specifically produced to kill the navy fleet???

But without escort or any defensive measure they are just easy targets.

 

[terranMarine]

why do you need to increase the range of the aircraft when they do not have any airspace penetration use? and adding LONG RANGE cruise missiles to it???

are these specifically produced to kill the navy fleet???

But without escort or any defensive measure they are just easy targets.

Depending where they will take off i guess. So the longe range can be an advantage but the most important part is indeed the long range cruise missiles. Big strategic bomber like the H-6 should never fly to enemy airspace as they can easily be shot down. It would be very stupid to do so. By carrying the CJ-10 they won't have to leave our territory and can still fire these missiles (range > 2000 km). Some believe they can be used against carrier battle group.

 

[Screambowl]

Depending where they will take off i guess. So the longe range can be an advantage but the most important part is indeed the long range cruise missiles. Big strategic bomber like the H-6 should never fly to enemy airspace as they can easily be shot down. It would be very stupid to do so. By carrying the CJ-10 they won't have to leave our territory and can still fire these missiles (range > 2000 km). Some believe they can be used against carrier battle group.

The bold part is the main motive since India is growing its navy and presence of American battle fleet in the region. The land attack cruise missiles will not be successful in hills Indo China border, but will do the job in the sea if launched beyond 1000 kms. Plus 2-3 awacs would detect the bomber if it comes closer. so the conclusion is that it is to deal with the navy only.

 

[tvsram1992]

I thought that normally aircraft have to be completed first before being ordered in xx quantity and put in operational service ... Have you ordered the prototypes ? ... Or Indian logics are different somehow ?

Sure is , Go research how much area was ceded by the commission set up by Her Majesty's Govt after the '65 war

Prototypes are finished and FYI IOC is given to LCA . Do you have any sense ? We ordered mkis way before they are made . Ordering will be done after IOC and generally before induction of a squadron FOC is granted after all tests .

 

[tvsram1992]

This is a system deployed since 1980 and is in service in vast quantities in Chinese military. There is no delusion here. China does not make a huge deal out of it since terminal interception are basic parts of a ABM defense. Something India has yet to achieve. On the other hand the mid course interception tests in 2011 was showing the world that another country besides the US had mid course interception technologies.

lol did you care to check the path of Anti-Miisle in the video . It is a sam that can intercept aircrafts and cruise missiles/Short range missiles at terminal phase and you say its terminal phase defence . As i said you are in delusion that you have mid course interception mechanism .

As for delusion you are interpreting India's primitive ABM tests which number less than 10 with less than a 70 percent success rate are better than China's which have an operational terminal phase interception defense in service since 1980. Average Missile defense system standards are around 95% reliability before they can be accepted into service. Perfect logic no complaints from me man.

70% success rate You have been mistaught by some one . Every test was a success except one which was aborted . You might have something similar to S300 but you cant say you have BMD deployed . As i had shown in the quote , we are one one to have such a system after Russia,US and Israel .

Lost to Vietnam utterly? This is like saying US lost to Vietnam utterly as well. Let me clarify that in both wars the Invading forces inflictedfar higher casualties upon the defending ones( i.e Vietnam). They also brutalized the country they invaded IE more bombs dropped than WOrld War 2 America and the scorched policy China. Vietnam in both cases was set back decades while the invaders were left rather unscathed in comparison.

Thats not an excuse for your defeat . Once please check the losses of Sino Vietnam war and then you will know the truth .

LOL the fact that the UN with complete air superiority, naval superiority, firepower superiority and even manpower superiority lost more troops than China speaks measures on how well China fought a unbalanced war. AS for 1962 China was not fighting a war of expansion. Has no one ever taught you that?

If China has no plans of expansion why did they occupy Aksai Chin ? Its the reverse China being humiliated gave up and Vietnam brothers gave a good blow to their opponents . China shares a border with Vietnam where as UN doesnt . What do you when you lost 500k soldiers for nothing in koreean war?

 

[tvsram1992]

I do not understand why we Indians and the Chinese members start bashing each other instead of just appreciating the development of others.

I think its more like this meme...

At least, from the Indian side most of us have this feeling.

We may call your ****heads on your face, but we Indians respect Chinese for the development you guys have shown.

Hats off to Chinese people. May we co-exist for another thousands of years as the best countries in the world.

Chinese are our bothers and we love them and respect them . Even the Chinese do the same . We dont have issues except border disputes , String of pearls,SCS and Dalai Lama . But here there are few internet warriors who bash India every time . Just now i got a msg from my friend : "A cute fact : we fight and scold the 1 whom we love the extreme & most interestingly v wont let others to do the same to dat person" . They are hard working people , ecomically they are succeeding but military wise we should help them to counter NATO and other threats .

As you have noticed i have responded to some rather droll posts in a very professional and patient manner .
And if you go back in the thread you will find the likes of this poster among others trolling in a otherwise serious military thread.
I respect Intelligent and reasonable people like yourself. This bunch however are not.

Yes you are professional and patient to some extent , i must agree . Iam irritated very much by few idiots ,most of them you can expect . First time i saw a Chinese member good like you . But you are in a delusion i must say (just kidding) . Btw my posts are not droll posts It was you who said your flankers have AESAs and that was delusion i was speaking to . And the fact that you dont know the specs doesnt means your aircrafts are superior to others . You know how your miliraty hides ever incident . First i would suggest you to discover who was the idiot to bring LCA in to this thread and your fellow Sino Challenger was calling us US was our dad and you know what happened .........

Better you concentrate on completing the 3 decade old project before flaming ... You mean like the minister of Gujrat who's plane was shot down inside Indian airspace ?
BTW , I heard the PLA chopper intruded somewhere again ?

 

[tvsram1992]

India does not buy from Russia due to quality. If it wanted to buy quality it would buy all its wapons form the United states or Europe. India buys weapons from Russia for many reasons and quality is not high on that list. Russia provides weapons that India cannot make itself. IE fighter jets. It also provides things other countries would never give to India such as nuclear submarines. The thing is that India is comparing its most current Russian technology IE Su 30 MKI with SU 27's Russia provided China almost two decades ago. Quality? Many examples were taken directly from the Russian airforce. All the thins you have mentioned are not even close to being indigenous.

Arjun: engines, sights, etc are mad in other countries

LCA: Once again engines, radar, missiles, etc from other countries

Arihant: Engines from Russia

"stealth ships" all weapons systems and radars from Russia and Israel and many are build there.

Su30mki was the advanced aircraft during its time of induction . Even Russia didnt have such type of aircrafts in their inventory at that time . Where ever we felt quality can be increases we integrated that part from France/Israel/India . A simple logic though . Not always we chose Russian ones . Ex MRCA where we preferred quality again . These aircrafts are far better than cheap copied aircrafts . Brahmos on the other hand is one olf the accurate and fastest of its class . And i cant stop laughing when you speak about quality .
Arihanth has Russian engines ? As far as i know reactor was made by us and it gives the necessary power to the submarine . What does etc in Arjun mean ? And according to LCA logic most your fighters/military vehicles are not indigenous because they use Russian engines .

VLO is the one of the 4s that a fifth gen has. Others include supers cruise, super sensors, and integration. None of witch the rafale have. The J 20 is actually smaller than the flanker series. The J20 also has LPI radar, stealth shaping and eventually supercruise engines. The rafale will have non of thes things.

The SU 35 has reduced RDC compared to the monstrous RCS of its predecessors. It is not comparable to the F 35. The Mig1.44 , S 37B are both not stealthy and. Reduced RCS =/= VLO. As for Russian elctronics they are nowehre near US ones. Please learn to post relevant and accurate information before you post.

Please do some research before saying that . Rafale is a clearly reduced rcs design and we will get Rafale D semi stealth fighters for our AF that will encorporate VLO features . Rafale can supercruise and it has good EW systems and sensor integration . Dont take it granted that F35 always wins . Su35 can make F35 pilot sweat in WVR fight where as Su35 can dodge missiles launched by F35 . But F35 will have an edge . Mig1.44 is actually intended to competed F22 and its a VLO design. I would like to say your point .Please learn to post relevant and accurate information before you post .

China took no ations until India infringed on Chinese land. The entire worlds history books show this, with the exclusion of India.
India got humiliated after getting crushed by China in 1962. The entire world acknowledged China's might in Korea when it fought the US and the entire UN to a standstill.

We know who was humiliated really after failing to retain South tibet and Sikkim and lost lost to Viets utterly in 1979 even when UN and US were supporting you . We know how you were scared when Russia said you not to interfere in 1971 war . We never shed blood for any one where as you sacrificed 500k soldiers in korean war .

What he is stating is fact and what you are stating is hopeful wishes. SO he is the troll and you are the bringer of truth. Truly inspiring logic here.

lol prove it . You should say that im a troll when i say Chinese made flankers cost more that Russian made ones

 

[tvsram1992]

Indians think their aircraft supplied from Russia are even more capable than Russia's itself just because they bought some fancy avionics from the West ( Hint MKI ) ! OR somehow Russia supplies them the finest , who would enlighten them that Russia sold all those things to China 10 years ago ... Sold RD 93 to Pakistan to massive Indian disappointment

Its not that we feel , its because they are . Dont prove yourself to be a fool . You feel traditional Su30s are better than Mkis ? Mkis are unlike cheap copied products . They are of much quality . You say mki is inferior where as your AF is scared of Mkis and trying to buy few planes to counter it but unfortunately it will get again an inferior product .

 

[tvsram1992]

Ahh the Indian habit of talking big but doing less again !

Weren't your scientist claiming a few days ago how have you come to par with Western countries in electronics warfare tech ?
Or the CEP of Agni 5 is less than all ICBM's in the world ?

Nobody knows how much effective is your BMD , keep testing it against slow moving ancient Prithvis ...

We tested an ICBM , we broke up a country , we won four wars and many conflicts , we have military presence in many countries ... arent these actions? or action means some thing begging for aid , asking for apology , letting terrorists escape or killing of obl or terrorist destroying your naval base plane ?... bragging that we have ICBM with out testing it? according to you ?
Any doubt we developed Agni series in a step wise manner increasing its range with out missing target . You can see the accuracy by looking at available radar graph video.