China's Ford class supercarrier

[ChineseTiger1986]

What US pressure? Sources?

Basically, an empty hull, nothing more.

http://2jjj.com/?p=5949

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

True. I may be wrong, but you did get the engines from Ukraine, right? That should have been an "easy" fit and with China's vast industrial/ship building base, completing the ship wouldnt be difficult. Contrast that with India's ship building industry which runs woefully behind schedule.

There are more than one shipyard in China is trying to build the AC.

Varyag was dragged to the Northern Shipyard Dalian to refit.

The Southern Shipyard in Shanghai is also building the indigenous carriers.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

True. I may be wrong, but you did get the engines from Ukraine, right? That should have been an "easy" fit and with China's vast industrial/ship building base, completing the ship wouldnt be difficult. Contrast that with India's ship building industry which runs woefully behind schedule.

Only recently were steam engines added. We do not need help on steam engines. We have problems making diesel and gas engines

 

[Aramsogo]

Add to that the USN floating one more aircraft carrier than the rest of the world navies' combined (in some instances a single CBG is bigger than many countries' entire armed forces, combined!) and couple that with almost all those 100k tonnage carriers being technologically far advanced than the majority of the navies combined.

And people talk of threatening USN with one puny 60K tonnage 'training vessel'?

With ASBM, CVN are obsolete in a real war.

 

[Huan]

Maybe China will surprise us with a flying carrier or something like this: (I know it's too far fetched.)

 

[S10]

True. I may be wrong, but you did get the engines from Ukraine, right? That should have been an "easy" fit and with China's vast industrial/ship building base, completing the ship wouldnt be difficult. Contrast that with India's ship building industry which runs woefully behind schedule.

China obtained the right to build GT25000 turbines from Ukraine a number of years ago. While the turbine is of Ukranian design, it's manufactured in China. There is also another turbine called QC-280, which is designed by China but still in final stages of development.

 

[Akasa]

Maybe China will surprise us with a flying carrier or something like this: (I know it's too far fetched.)

Been playing Ace Combat 6 too much?

 

[aimarraul]

most credible source so far, photo taken from jiangnan shipyard.

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[tanlixiang28776]

China obtained the right to build GT25000 turbines from Ukraine a number of years ago. While the turbine is of Ukranian design, it's manufactured in China. There is also another turbine called QC-280, which is designed by China but still in final stages of development.

Those would not be enough to power a 70,000 ton aircraft carrier. The 7000 ton 052C uses two and still only goes 30 knots

for comparable performance we would need 20.

 

[no_name]

Just as an aside with the price of one B-2 China can buy 66 empty varyag hulls.

 

[casual]

Just as an aside with the price of one B-2 China can buy 66 empty varyag hulls.

and gamble all day long

 

[shuntmaster]

Just as an aside with the price of one B-2 China can buy 66 empty varyag hulls.

Why does China need to buy the scrap hulls, when China has one of the worlds largest ship building industry and is also the worlds largest producer of steel (Almost 60% of global capacity)???

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why does China need to buy the scrap hulls, when China has one of the worlds largest ship building industry and is also the worlds largest producer of steel (Almost 60% of global capacity)???

Because China in the 1990s didn't have the capability to make the high quality steel for the Aircraft Carrier.

But not today, we won't buy the AC hull anymore.

 

[S10]

Why does China need to buy the scrap hulls, when China has one of the worlds largest ship building industry and is also the worlds largest producer of steel (Almost 60% of global capacity)???

It wasn't that way when the deal was first negotiated. China lacked experience in building large military vessels back in the late 1990's and early 2000's. Purchasing Varyag was a good way to learn the internal layouts of a carrier, eventhought it was an empty hull. The reason it took so long to refit the ship is because China did not have the proper turbine to power the ship until 2008.

 

[S10]

Those would not be enough to power a 70,000 ton aircraft carrier. The 7000 ton 052C uses two and still only goes 30 knots

for comparable performance we would need 20.

The thing with the Chinese navy is the requirement for ship speed is not as pressing as the USN, since USN needs to be globally deployed. The PLAN found it more economical to use CODAG propulsion. Four GT25000 plus diesel engines could satisfy the needs of Varyag.