China's Ford class supercarrier

[shuntmaster]

Fine, we'll take our 70,000 ton training carrier over your 40,000 ton real carrier.

Good for you. As I said before, To each one his own.
Probably China is the only country which has a 'Training carrier' even before having an operational carrier, that too a 70,000Ton vessel. Awesome

 

[Roybot]

Fine, we'll take our 70,000 ton training carrier over your 40,000 ton real carrier.

Its 45000 ton and 65000 ton, no cheating

 

[CardSharp]

Actually it was Ukraine who couldn't afford it. I expected better research from you Gubbi.

The Varyag never had engines, radar, fire control, defense systems, or planes. We have to basically supply everything besides the hull which was a cool 30 million.

30 million a nice bargain I thought considering how much the Russians jacked up the price on India.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Its 45000 ton and 65000 ton, no cheating

66,000 to 67,500 t for Varyag

40,000 tonnes for IAC

all wikipedia though.

 

[Roybot]

66,000 to 67,500 t for Varyag

40,000 tonnes for IAC

all wikipedia though.

I thought we were comparing Varyag and Gorskhov?

 

[gubbi]

This display of concern looks more like a display of insecurity.

Insecurity, you say?

More than 80 years of experience operating super carriers is insecurity? As against zero, zilch experience of even training experience on an aircraft carrier?
Add to that the USN floating one more aircraft carrier than the rest of the world navies' combined (in some instances a single CBG is bigger than many countries' entire armed forces, combined!) and couple that with almost all those 100k tonnage carriers being technologically far advanced than the majority of the navies combined.

And people talk of threatening USN with one puny 60K tonnage 'training vessel'?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Insecurity, you say?

More than 80 years of experience operating super carriers is insecurity? As against zero, zilch experience of even training experience on an aircraft carrier?
Add to that the USN floating one more aircraft carrier than the rest of the world navies' combined (in some instances a single CBG is bigger than many countries' entire armed forces, combined!) and couple that with almost all those 100k tonnage carriers being technologically far advanced than the majority of the navies combined.

And people talk of threatening USN with one puny 60K tonnage 'training vessel'?

Well he was talking to an Indian living in Myanmar.

I live in the US too but I don't use that as a way too put everyone else down.

 

[gubbi]

Actually it was Ukraine who couldn't afford it. I expected better research from you Gubbi.

The Varyag never had engines, radar, fire control, defense systems, or planes. We have to basically supply everything besides the hull which was a cool 30 million.

Actually the ship was constructed with majority of the components, engines included. However, Soviet Union couldnt afford further construction (with all that Prestroika going on). SU collapsed, Varyag was transfered to Ukraine, which couldnt afford to even maintain the structure. So they stripped the ship of its components, leaving only the hull, which was to be dismantled, but ultimately ended up with China. So at one point, the ship did carry engines and other components.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Actually the ship was constructed with majority of the components, engines included. However, Soviet Union couldnt afford further construction (with all that Prestroika going on). SU collapsed, Varyag was transfered to Ukraine, which couldnt afford to even maintain the structure. So they stripped the ship of its components, leaving only the hull, which was to be dismantled, but ultimately ended up with China. So at one point, the ship did carry engines and other components.

Fine well the point is we never got them. All we got was a hull which by the way was still a great bargain.

 

[Akasa]

Thats quite ambitious. What is the largest tonnage of combat naval ship china has built until now?
Isn't J-15 similar to Mig-33?

J-15 is a version of the indigenous J-11B. It has AESA.

The stealth fighter might be the J-19, which is a stealth variant of the J-11B under development.

 

[acetophenol]

guys every one starts from the bottom of the ladder na? Both india and china are on their way to top of the ladder and in near future itself they will be there.
Operating or making carriers are good-it brings in experience,power and respect-no matter what the tonnage,power etc is. The navy should be capable of operating it. It should not end as a white elephant like thailand's chakri naurebat

 

[gubbi]

30 million a nice bargain I thought considering how much the Russians jacked up the price on India.

That was indeed a nice price for the hull. In India's case, the initial quotes were for retrofitting the ship with modern amenities to IN standards. However, when work began, they found that they literally had to strip the whole ship insideout, replace electricals, plumbing, etc which pushed up the price. Furthermore the shipyard wasnt designed to handle a ship that large (all SU aircraft carriers were built in Ukraine). That boat is a totally new boat, inside out!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually the ship was constructed with majority of the components, engines included. However, Soviet Union couldnt afford further construction (with all that Prestroika going on). SU collapsed, Varyag was transfered to Ukraine, which couldnt afford to even maintain the structure. So they stripped the ship of its components, leaving only the hull, which was to be dismantled, but ultimately ended up with China. So at one point, the ship did carry engines and other components.

Due to US pressure, everything was taken off and only an empty hull was left.

Ukraine sold it to us as the scraped metal for 30 million USD. We bought it in 1999 because it can be served as an example for studying the structure of the aircraft carrier, but today we wouldn't buy it at all.

 

[gubbi]

Due to US pressure, everything was taken off and only an empty hull was left.

What US pressure? Sources?

 

[gubbi]

Fine well the point is we never got them. All we got was a hull which by the way was still a great bargain.

True. I may be wrong, but you did get the engines from Ukraine, right? That should have been an "easy" fit and with China's vast industrial/ship building base, completing the ship wouldnt be difficult. Contrast that with India's ship building industry which runs woefully behind schedule.