China Would Gain Swift Air Superiority Over Taiwan, US Leaks Show

[Leishangthem]

US hates Russia, hence gives China a better grade, although they know that copied and reverse engineered stuff with China does not make it a good military hardware.

give my your thesis paper explaining why

US hates Russia, hence gives China a better grade, although they know that copied and reverse engineered stuff with China does not make it a good military hardware.

or you are just a typical low lQ bigmouth ?

 

[GiantPanda]

This is complete delusion/copium. China has far exceeded Russia in defense capabilities, case in point the J-20 far exceeds any Russian aircraft, China is moving towards mass production of the WS-15 while we still see no update on the izdeliye 30, not to mention the amount of warships that China is building is exceeding the pace with with even the US military is commissioning ships(the Chinese are still behind on tonnage and number of ships for now, but the level of production is impressive). Only a fool thinks of China as incapable, or as a state that cannot engineer high tech equipment. Your assessment of China is frankly 30 years behind. China started out reverse engineering the Su-27s and derivatives, but its gotten to the point where the avionics on the Chinese flankers exceed Russian equipment, to the point where there is serious debate with the collapse of the Russian defense with the embargoes and lack of funds whether they may end up buying subsystems and other equipment from the Chinese.

Of course, delusional thinking is part of being Indian.

 

[Bengal71]

Well this is obvious. After so much efforts if China can't even achieve air superiority over Taiwan that would be a failure. It's no news, news would be if the leak said China will achieve air superiority over US forces quickly.

 

[925boy]

Hi,

They killed obver 6 million muslims in these two counbtries---decimated the nation of iraq and walked away with no harm done to themselves---.

Seems like you have very little understanding of modern warfare---.

you basically described genocides- is that your interpretation of winning a war? your low empathy, for Muslims again, bothers me alot and doesnt convince me at all that you are correct. have a good day.

 

[MastanKhan]

you basically described genocides- is that your interpretation of winning a war? your low empathy, for Muslims again, bothers me alot and doesnt convince me at all that you are correct. have a good day.

Hi,

That is how the US fights wars and that is how it decimates its enemies---. You like or dislike matters not---.

 

[Zsari]

Hi,

They killed obver 6 million muslims in these two counbtries---decimated the nation of iraq and walked away with no harm done to themselves---.

Seems like you have very little understanding of modern warfare---.

The end to any war is to achieve political objectives, not to just kill people. In that the US failed on both accounts, handing Iraq to Iran and Afghanistan to a more entrenched Taliban. You can win a thousand battles while still lose the war.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Taiwan doesn't have the population to fight China. Ukraine has a quarter of Russia's population and already shows signs of difficulty fighting Russia. Taiwan has less than a tenth of China's population.

 

[K_Bin_W]

While I wouldn't say its a copy(people who say this are dumb and don't understand the concept of convergent design, there is really not too much when you plug in parameters into a supercomputer to figure out optimal RCS and other matters, its why all 5th gen fighter jets look very similar, with the exception of the russians who seem to have messed up in prioritizing maneuverability over stealth and not really dedicating themselves to an optimal aircraft) there was some espionage of the F-35 program, that much is well known.

Of course it's copied, it has wings and wheels so it's a copy.

 

[khansaheeb]

China Would Gain Swift Air Superiority Over Taiwan, US Leaks Show​

By AFP - Agence France Presse
April 15, 2023

China would probably gain air superiority very quickly in any attack on Taiwan, something Russia crucially failed to do in its invasion of Ukraine last year, leaked US intelligence documents show, according to media reports Saturday.

The classified documents, allegedly leaked by a US national guardsman in the worst US security breach in a decade, reveal that Taiwan's military leaders doubt their air defenses can "accurately detect missile launches," while only about half of their aircraft are capable of effectively engaging the enemy.

China views democratic, self-ruled Taiwan as part of its territory to be retaken one day, by force if necessary. The island lives under the constant fear of a Chinese invasion, and Beijing has stepped up its rhetoric and military activity around it in recent years.

The intelligence reports said that Taiwan fears it could take up to a week to move its aircraft to shelters, leaving them vulnerable to Chinese missile strikes.

In addition, China's use of civilian shipping, including passenger ferries, for military purposes has hampered the US intelligence community's ability to predict when an invasion might be pending, the Washington Post reported.

The Pentagon criticized Taiwan's missile drills as too highly scripted, which could leave their armed forces and leadership unprepared for a "real-world event," the Post said.

President Xi Jinping has undertaken a huge overhaul of China's army to expand and modernize it. The People's Liberation Army is estimated to be 14 times the size of Taiwan's own armed forces.

Taiwan's defense ministry told the Post that its response to recent Chinese shows of force in the vicinity demonstrate that its military is "absolutely capable, determined and confident" it can defend the island.

Last week, Taiwan staged large-scale emergency response drills enacting a wide array of scenarios, including attacks by missiles and chemical weapons.

The drills came just days after China held its latest military exercise around the island, just 100 miles (160 kilometers) off the coast of the Chinese mainland.
Chinese jets and warships continued circling Taiwan even after the conclusion of the massive drills.

Taiwan's defense ministry detected seven Chinese naval vessels and 26 aircraft between Wednesday and Thursday morning.

It said 14 aircraft had crossed the unofficial median line that separates the island from mainland China.

On a visit to Beijing Friday, Germany's Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock warned that "a military escalation in the Taiwan Strait... would be a horror scenario for the entire world."

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Chinese Airforce hasn't fought an air battle for decades, highly likely it will be overwhelmed by the US airforce. Don't ever recall a Chinese air battle.

Taiwan doesn't have the population to fight China. Ukraine has a quarter of Russia's population and already shows signs of difficulty fighting Russia. Taiwan has less than a tenth of China's population.

Actually Taiwan's population is approx 2.3% of China's.

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese Airforce hasn't fought an air battle for decades, highly likely it will be overwhelmed by the US airforce.

That is leaked infor from US military, not from China's military.

 

[MastanKhan]

The end to any war is to achieve political objectives, not to just kill people. In that the US failed on both accounts, handing Iraq to Iran and Afghanistan to a more entrenched Taliban. You can win a thousand battles while still lose the war.

Hi,

You kids are so innocent---it is unbelievable---.

You are not an american---so you won't understand it.

Your country wants to win a war for political objectives.

The US does not---.

It only wants to tests its older weapons to check for durability---modern weapons for capabilitiy and in between it obliterates the adversaries population to kingdom come creating shock and fear amongst those who might be thinking of doing something---.

The US is a massive super power---it decimates the enemy / opponent on the opponent's own soil---leaves and lets the opponent live in its own misery of death---destruction & oblivion---.

 

[HerbertPervert]

Hi,

You kids are so innocent---it is unbelievable---.

You are not an american---so you won't understand it.

Your country wants to win a war for political objectives.

The US does not---.

It only wants to tests its older weapons to check for durability---modern weapons for capabilitiy and in between it obliterates the adversaries population to kingdom come creating shock and fear amongst those who might be thinking of doing something---.

The US is a massive super power---it decimates the enemy / opponent on the opponent's own soil---leaves and lets the opponent live in its own misery of death---destruction & oblivion---.

Thank you for speaking the truth. Too many delusional youth believing that US leaving Afghan region after 20 years of occupation is some sort of victory. The US was not forced to leave Afghan/Iraq, we simply got bored and left but not without permanently destroying both countries, killing millions in the process.

The militia in did not attack us for a decade in Afghan and instead attacked only their own army. They begged us to leave for years and didn't even fire a bullet while we were leaving. Why? It's because they are frightened of our power and wouldn't dare touch us.

We used a fraction of our power we used in Vietnam and nothing compared to the power we used in WWII. The military today is smaller than what it was during WWII. Imagine if the US dropped nuclear weapons or brought above 500,000 troops into the region and sealed off the border? It could have ended the war quickly.

Why didn't we quickly bring resources and finish the job sooner? Why leave after 20 years? Because our corporations were profiting from these endless wars until they realized focusing on China & Russia is far more lucrative. We will hype the Chinese threat as long as it financially benefits us to do so.

 

[Zsari]

Hi,

You kids are so innocent---it is unbelievable---.

You are not an american---so you won't understand it.

Your country wants to win a war for political objectives.

The US does not---.

It only wants to tests its older weapons to check for durability---modern weapons for capabilitiy and in between it obliterates the adversaries population to kingdom come creating shock and fear amongst those who might be thinking of doing something---.

The US is a massive super power---it decimates the enemy / opponent on the opponent's own soil---leaves and lets the opponent live in its own misery of death---destruction & oblivion---.

Rather than creating shock and fear, its withdrew from Afghanistan has created nothing but contempt and mockery. US action in the middle east has very much weakened its own global position and strengthened that of its adversaries. If you think war are just anger management tools with no political objective, then you are the one that needs to grow up.

 

[MastanKhan]

Rather than creating shock and fear, its withdrew from Afghanistan has created nothing but contempt and mockery. US action in the middle east has very much weakened its own global position and strengthened that of its adversaries. If you think war are just anger management tools with no political objective, then you are the one that needs to grow up.

Son,

There are 3 million dead afghans left behind---.

All older US weapons tested---newer weapons initiated---.

I am already grown up son---on my last legs now---.

It is very very difficult for the ORDINARY to understand the american mindset---so I don't blame you for your shortcomings and sarcasm---. You can only know what you can understand---.

Americans don't fight wars in anger---. Anger maybe a reason for war---but its application is ice-cold---.

 

[hyperman]

Lol, thats only your opinion that J 20 being an inferior jet and Americans dont see the value in getting the secrets.

Oh no, the CIA most definitely does espionage, but likely more so to learn the ins and out and behavior and weaknesses of the plane, so as to be able to neutralize it in a conflict, but its a bit different from doing it to copy it, I doubt Lockheed or Pratt and Whitney need to do it to copy something to put in the F-22(btw I'm not faulting China for doing that, if you are behind you will do all you can to narrow the gap and everything is fair in these sorts of situations)