China thwarted action against JuD: Clinton

[great]

First, they are already designated as terrorists by UNSC, which means they are real terrorists. What else do you want?

Second, they did what you have mentioned in your posts, that is why they are designated as terrorists. If not, how would UNSC designate them as terrorists?

So why don't you do some research before making idiotic comments like "are they killing your people by blowing themselves up"?

Oh, I thought you are talking about Tibetans in Indians. I'm sorry. But did we try to block UN resolutions against them, I don't think so.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

OK what happened is they decided to show their true faces, I suppose you'll be happy with this slightly illogical answer.

Although no doubt you will give me YOUR answer soon.

No CD, I'll wait for yours. Think about it.

What happened after 2009?

 

[justanobserver]

So all you got is China tried to block action against JuD, anything about China supporting them after designating them as terrorists? Technically speaking, they only became terrorists after being designated.

Yes we can argue all day on semantics and technicalities but facts remain:


1. Their leader holds (public) rallies calling for the massacare of Hindus
2. They have rallies calling for a thousand "Mumbai"s in India

Isn't this reason enough to Ban them, please at-least go through the entire thread

Here is an article from DAWN, Pakistan's leading newspaper

Jamaat-ud-Dawa easily evades ban



LAHORE: Long-haired jihadis toting automatic weapons patrolled a mosque last week as the cleric who heads the militant network blamed for the Mumbai attacks preached inside. The group's supporters collected funds in the courtyard and later marched through this eastern Pakistani city, calling for the death of those who insult Islam.



Pakistan announced a ban on Jamaat-ud-Dawa - sealing the group's offices, freezing assets and rounding up leaders - amid international outrage after the 2008 siege of the Indian financial capital. But the group has scored a few wins in court against the government and is up and running again, exposing Islamabad's unwillingness to fully crack down on militants.



The resurgence of the group could chill the first round of peace talks between Pakistan and India since the attacks.

India is insisting the negotiations Thursday focus on Pakistan's efforts to rein in groups such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa; Pakistan wants all issues, including the disputed territory of Kashmir, to be on the table.



The United States has urged the two nuclear-armed nations to resume dialogue despite Indian concerns about the Pakistan's crackdown on militants.



India, the United States and the United Nations allege Jamaat is the front group for Lashkar-e-Taiba, which they charge carried out the attacks in December 2008 that killed 166 people in Mumbai. Seven militants identified as members of Lashkar by prosecutors are currently on trial in Pakistan charged with planning and carrying out the attacks. The sole surviving alleged gunman in the attacks, Ajmal Kasab, a Pakistani with links to Lashkar, is on trial in India.



Lashkar was founded in the 1980s by Hafiz Saeed with the assistance of Pakistan's security agencies to wage war against India in the hopes of wresting the Indian portion of Kashmir away from New Delhi. The group claimed responsibility for numerous attacks there, but the government banned it in 2002 following pressure from the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks.



Saeed is now the leader of Jamaat, which claims to be focused only on charity work. It runs a large network of Islamic schools and clinics, and participates in disaster relief.


Members of Jamaat say there is no link between it and Lashkar. But even Rana Sanaullah Khan, who is the law minister in Punjab, said the two are simply different wings of the same group.



After the Mumbai siege, Saeed, a 60-year-old former Islamic studies lecturer, was placed under house arrest but was freed in June last year by the Lahore High Court, which said there was no evidence he was involved in any wrongdoing. In October, a court ruled there was no case against Saeed and found that the government had never formally prohibited Jamaat. The government has appealed to the Supreme Court.



Even before the court ruling, however, critics said Pakistan was not aggressively enforcing the ban.



Saeed has exploited the legal limbo and openly challenges the government's attempts to tamp down his group.



On the government's Kashmir Solidarity Day earlier this month, Saeed addressed supporters in Lahore who waved Lashkar flags and shouted ''Here comes Lashkar to kill the Hindus.''



''If America with the help of Nato and all its weapons could not maintain its occupation in Afghanistan, India too will not be able to hold on to Kashmir anymore,'' Saeed told the crowd.



Frustration at the impunity groups like Jamaat seem to enjoy angers some lawmakers.



''It is shocking to see how banned terrorist organisations are allowed to challenge the writ of the state,'' Sherry Rehman, a lawmaker with the ruling party, told parliament on Tuesday.



''What is the point of our innocent civilians and soldiers dying in a borderless war against such terrorists, when armed, banned outfits can hold the whole nation hostage in the heart of Punjab's provincial capital?''



Security and government officials in Lahore offered several reasons for the lack of action against Saeed and his group. They said India had presented no evidence of his involvement in the Mumbai attacks; stressed he was not involved in any of the attacks by militants that have struck Pakistan over the last year, several of them in Lahore; and they said that closing the group's schools would deprive thousands of an education and health care.



But analysts said Pakistan had strategic reasons for not acting against Jamaat.



''Pakistan is keeping these groups as a gray area of its policy, and it will continue doing so long as there are no guaranteed steps from India,'' defense analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi said, referring to moves to resolve the Kashmir dispute. ''Pakistan does not see these groups as completely undesirable if there is no progress on its issues.''

Yes they finally did get banned, but this is an extremely sensitive topic. Calling a terrorist org as a charity is sure to tick people off. So now does everyone agree that this is a terrorist org?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No CD, I'll wait for yours. Think about it.

What happened after 2009?

You can tell me what answer you think is right, doesn't really matter.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

You can tell me what answer you think is right, doesn't really matter.

If it doesn't really matters, then why are you wasting your time on this forum, let alone this thread, especially now that you have realised that it's pointless debating with us Indians?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes they finally did get banned, but this is an extremely sensitive topic. Calling a terrorist org as a charity is sure to tick people off. So now does everyone agree that this is a terrorist org?

As I've said before, I no longer really care, but for what it's worth I can perhaps understand the sensitivities behind it.

Nothing really worth jumping on someone who clearly stated they didn't know much about it but there you go.

 

[BigTree.CN]

And what if we apply this very logic to the Dalai Lama and all the things you guys accuse him of?

He's not even been declared a terrorist.

The point here is I am applying logic invented by you. No matter what horrible crimes has Dalai Lama commited, you keep calling him "freedom fighter", don't you?

Xinjiang separatist groups are already designated as terrorists by UNSC, you still call them "freedom fighter", don't you?

CD has stated, you don't care about our concern, why should we care about yours?

Chna just tried to block the designation, ulike India, hosting a terrorists group on its soil.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Yes we can argue all day on semantics and technicalities but facts remain:


1. Their leader holds (public) rallies calling for the massacre of Hindus
2. They have rallies calling for a thousand "Mumbai"s in India

Isn't this reason enough to Ban them, please at-least go through the entire thread

Interesting point to note,that General Zia-ul-Haq appointed Hafiz Saeed to the Council on Islamic Ideology.

I guess many Pakistanis hate him to too,considering how they resent the Zia era.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If it doesn't really matters, then why are you wasting your time on this forum, let alone this thread, especially now that you have realised that it's pointless debating with us Indians?

You know what I'm actually curious, why don't you tell me? What happened in 2009?

 

[BigTree.CN]

Oh, I thought you are talking about Tibetans in Indians. I'm sorry. But did we try to block UN resolutions against them, I don't think so.

Aren't you harbouring them on your soil? That is much worse than blocking a UN resolution.

 

[great]

@Jack He knew that way before..was just being polite towards us poor Indians

 

[great]

Aren't you harbouring them on your soil? That is much worse than blocking a UN resolution.

What harboring? What are they even doin? What do you expect just turn them over to China to get killed. No democracy would do that.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What harboring? What are they even doin? What do you expect just turn them over to China to get killed. No democracy would do that.

No democracy would let 2 million children starve to death every year.

 

[BigTree.CN]

Yes we can argue all day on semantics and technicalities but facts remain:


1. Their leader holds (public) rallies calling for the massacare of Hindus
2. They have rallies calling for a thousand "Mumbai"s in India

Isn't this reason enough to Ban them, please at-least go through the entire thread

The attitude that you are taking towards the terrorists who are killing innocent Chinese is the attitude we are gonna take towards the terrorists who are killing innocent Indians.

 

[justanobserver]

Aren't you harbouring them on your soil? That is much worse than blocking a UN resolution.

What are we supposed to do? Kill them ?

Xinjiang separatist groups are already designated as terrorists by UNSC, you still call them "freedom fighter", don't you?

No we don't

The point here is I am applying logic invented by you. No matter what horrible crimes has Dalai Lama commited, you keep calling him "freedom fighter", don't you?

Dalai Lama is held in high regard in India, however there is not active "Tibetan Movement" here. All that happens (in my place) is a bi-annual sale of Tibetan Handicrafts