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China takes rights activists into custody

Hong Kong ranks higher on the media freedom index than countries like France and Spain.

We have freedom of speech and freedom of the press under the Hong Kong constitution.

But you only see what you want to see. :lol:

When Chinese members living in the USA/Canada support the Chinese government, you say they are brainwashed and incapable of independent thinking. :rofl:

It seems you will only believe that someone is capable of thinking if they agree with you.

Yeah...but we dont know if you are a Communist China's plant in HK. Stop with your ridiculous oversimplifications and assumptions that people are fools out here. That only works with Chinese peasants.
 
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You can not hear truth about China here, not because people are not telling it, but because you refuse to listen.

Please leave this forum or at least this thread. We are looking for independent thinkers like Mr. Ai. Your one sided propaganda is becoming a huge bore and you are just taking up bandwidth now. Bring some intelligent ideas/debate to the matter at hand or just report back to your CPC boss that you are failing in your duty to amuse people any more.
 
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LOL. :D



LOL again. :P

You have nothing to offer but racism, your mind cannot get past that.

Stop with your BS and let Google in. Please stop wasting bandwidth with your ignorant rants.

Mods: Is there any way to take care of ignorant ranters like Chinese-Dragon who keep on posting nonsensical comments? I can keep reporting but people like Chinese-Dragon are paid propagandizers and should not be allowed on independent forums. If you want to keep this forum independent and worthy of debating, you need to push aside jokers like C-D and others who think others are fools here.
 
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Please leave this forum or at least this thread. We are looking for independent thinkers like Mr. Ai. Your one sided propaganda is becoming a huge bore and you are just taking up bandwidth now. Bring some intelligent ideas/debate to the matter at hand or just report back to your CPC boss that you are failing in your duty to amuse people any more.

Your mind is full of conspiracy theories. :lol:

Come to Hong Kong and have a talk to some of the average people here.

Let us see how they react, when a racist like yourself says that Chinese people are incapable of independent thinking.
 
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Since we are so enamoured with Western reports as the Gospel, here is something to chew upon.

It is from the US State Dept!

he People's Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which, as specified in its constitution, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount source of power. Party members hold almost all top government, police and military positions. Ultimate authority rests with the 24-member political bureau (Politburo) of the CCP and its 9-member standing committee. General Secretary Hu Jintao holds the three most powerful positions as CCP general secretary, president, and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC). The party's authority rested primarily on the government's ability to maintain social stability; appeals to nationalism and patriotism; party control of personnel, media, and the security apparatus; and continued improvement in the living standards of most of the country's 1.3 billion citizens. Civilian authorities generally maintained effective control of the security forces.

The government's human rights record remained poor, and the government continued to commit numerous and serious abuses. There was a trend towards increased harassment, detention, and imprisonment by government and security authorities of those perceived as threatening to government authority. The government also adopted measures to control more tightly print, broadcast and electronic media, and censored online content. Protests by those seeking to redress grievances increased significantly and were suppressed, at times violently, by security forces. There were notable developments in legal reforms during the year. However, some key measures to increase the authority of the judiciary and reduce the arbitrary power of police and security forces stalled. The government adopted new religious affairs regulations expanding legal protection for some activities of registered religious groups but was criticized for failing to protect unregistered groups.

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government
physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody
torture and coerced confessions of prisoners
harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority
arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, reeducation-through-labor, psychiatric detention, and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention
a politically controlled judiciary and a lack of due process in certain cases, especially those involving dissidents
detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and subversion, those convicted under the now-abolished crime of counterrevolution, and those jailed in connection with the 1989 Tiananmen demonstrations
house arrest and other nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications
use of a coercive birth limitation policy, in some cases resulting in forced abortion and sterilization
increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press; closure of newspapers and journals; banning of politically sensitive books, periodicals, and films; and jamming of some broadcast signals
restrictions on the freedom of assembly, including detention and abuse of demonstrators and petitioners
restrictions on religious freedom, control of religious groups, and harassment and detention of unregistered religious groups
restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for politically sensitive and underground religious figures
forcible repatriation of North Koreans and inadequate protection of many refugees
severe government corruption
increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations
trafficking in women and children
societal discrimination against women, minorities, and persons with disabilities
cultural and religious repression of minorities in Tibetan areas and Muslim areas of Xinjiang
restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety
forced labor, including prison labor.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61605.htm



That much for China and human rights!
 
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Stop with your BS and let Google in. Please stop wasting bandwidth with your ignorant rants.

You have been told several times that Google is still operating in China, and in fact has a 1/5 market share.

Your mind doesn't seem to be able to grasp this fact.
 
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I am digging nothing out.

I know about it and so it came to mind.

What is Self Censorship?

Having Self Censorship means news that are sensitive are out of the realm.

What does RSF have to say about that?

And what has the RSF to say about censorship of the nation ranked 122?

HK has more than one publications, some may choose to self-censor on certain issues others may not. That's why RSF assigns numbers in the index. I would imagine if more publications choose to self-censor Hong Kong's place in the index would drop.

As to what RSF says about one certain South Asian democracy, why not head over to their website and read. For example,
Violence, arrests and censorship in all four corners of India - Reporters Without Borders
 
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Your mind is full of conspiracy theories. :lol:

Come to Hong Kong and have a talk to some of the average people here.

Let us see how they react, when a racist like yourself says that Chinese people are incapable of independent thinking.

Every human being is capable of independent thinking and that is a physical attribute that is God given.

What is important is that can it be exercised freely without fear?
 
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You have been told several times that Google is still operating in China, and in fact has a 1/5 market share.

Your mind doesn't seem to be able to grasp this fact.

Please stop assuming others are fools. And stop your verbal pollution. You are just an unverifiable Internet contributor. I talk to real people from HK in NYC and very well know what is going on. I think you need to be provided an infraction for wasting bandwidth now.
 
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HK has more than one publications, some may choose to self-censor on certain issues others may not. That's why RSF assigns numbers in the index. I would imagine if more publications choose to self-censor Hong Kong's place in the index would drop.

As to what RSF says about one certain South Asian democracy, why not head over to their website and read. For example,
Violence, arrests and censorship in all four corners of India - Reporters Without Borders

Thank you.

Indeed, it must have happened.

Such nonsense has to be stopped and it will be given the activism that has become a watchword these days of not only the media, but the NGO and even common people.

Notwithstanding, there is the Courts where just a PIL is adequate to bring such highhanded people to justice and what is important is the Right to Information Act. This is a very potent weapon in the hands of the common man and that is why the misdeeds are being exposed almost on a daily basis.

All highhandedness is a whimper these days and what is more, is that the Supreme Court is on a very activist mode and the Govt is up a gum tree these days.

Do google and check.

Do let me know how many publications from HK has commented on Tibet being given the status of HK or Macau?

Just for my knowledge, is the HK legislature totally a democratic organisation, of democratically elected representatives?
 
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Please stop assuming others are fools. And stop your verbal pollution. You are just an unverifiable Internet contributor. I talk to real people from HK in NYC and very well know what is going on. I think you need to be provided an infraction for wasting bandwidth now.

It's a shame that cultists of democracy usually are conditioned to believe only the utterance of their leaders. So what about this,

BBC News - Google says withdrawal from China 'exaggerated'

"Stories of Google's withdrawal from China are greatly exaggerated," said Andrew McGlinchey, Head of Product Management for South East Asia.

He added that Google was actually expanding its offices in the country.
 
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Thank you.
Just for my knowledge, is the HK legislature totally a democratic organisation, of democratically elected representatives?

We both know the answer to that.

Like I said, Hong Kong has never been a Democracy. We can't elect our top leaders, and we don't have universal suffrage.

Yet this is still one of the most advanced cities on Earth. And no, I don't see the need for democracy. Especially if you cite India as an "example" of a democracy in a developing country.
 
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You can dig up whatever anecdotal evidence you want, but that won't change the fact Hong Kong ranked 34 out of 178 on Reporters Sans Frontières' Press Freedom Index. For comparison, a certain democracy in South Asia ranked 122.

haha this guy ray chinese obsession is out of controll , wht the point of spending so much time digging things about china and post them here where as most of us here not even bother to read. get a life buddy. LOL
 
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