China should 'reconsider' who owns Okinawa: state media

[JSCh]

Exactly,a dog eat dog is exactly why ur the bad guy,everyone fears u attempting to eat them.If u have read political science, u would know the realism theory of international relations explicitly states insecurity,especially military insecurity as the central problem.China makes all other nations militarily insecure,while usa despite enormous power doesn't thats why china's policy is a failure and will end in containment should it continue to do so.

Hmmmmm.... US is currently the most powerful country in the world and nobody fear US. Somethings seem to be wrong there. I wonder what it is.

 

[Wright]

Hmmmmm.... US is currently the most powerful country in the world and nobody fear US. Somethings seem to be wrong there. I wonder what it is.

Because the US doesn't start fights with nations that actually matter on the world stage.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Wright answered me perfectly,europe doesn't for example suffer from military insecurity from usa.Thus though it has power to unite and counter usa it doesn't feel the need to do so.China direct opposite.Bullying,belligerent statements,incursions,constant claims,rapid military infrastructure build up without reason.

 

[VietHome]

Who wants to be a part of China?

Illustration: John Shakespeare

Until now, China's territorial claims on Japan have been limited to small uninhabited rocks. And that was enough to create tension between the world's second-biggest economy and the third-biggest.But a new chorus of influential Chinese is raising the stakes. They argue that Japan is not entitled to one of its biggest islands, Okinawa, home to 1.4 million people and host to some of the biggest US military bases in the world.

Okinawa was an independent kingdom for centuries. Japan took it over in 1872, though its rule was interrupted when the US took it in World War II before returning it to Japan in 1972. China did not contest Japan's sovereignty over the island until 1970, and the issue has largely laid dormant since.But suddenly it's a burning issue. While Beijing is not officially staking a claim, the new Chinese argument is being advanced or tolerated by official and quasi-official parts of the Chinese system.

An outspoken two-star general in the People's Liberation Army said last week that the island could not belong to Japan because its ancient rulers had paid tribute to China 500 years before it had been taken over by the Japanese.

Obviously, this has alarming implications. The list of countries that paid tribute to China in ancient times is a long one. It includes Burma and Cambodia, Korea and Malaysia, even Italy and England. ''If this can of worms is opened, it could open a fractious time for the whole world,'' says the director of the Australian centre on China and the world at the ANU, Geremie Barme. ''Other countries can say, 'Well if that's open for renegotiation, then so are all these other territorial matters. Where does it stop? It doesn't.''

Major-General Luo Yuan told the China News Service the Ryukyu island chain, of which Okinawa is the biggest part, started paying tribute to China in 1372 during the Ming Dynasty. He said the islands' natives had closer ethnic and cultural ties to China than to Japan, as their rulers were vassals of the Chinese court. He said: ''Let's for now not discuss whether [the islands] belong to China, they were certainly China's tributary state. I am not saying all former tributary states belong to China, but we can say with certainty that the Ryukyus do not belong to Japan.''

But Luo is well known for his provocative hypernationalism, so does this really mean anything? The general's remarks were not in isolation. They followed a lengthy piece by two Chinese academics published a week earlier. ''It may be time to revisit the unresolved historical issue of the Ryukyu Islands,'' wrote Zhang Haipeng and Li Guoqiang.

The piece carried weight because the authors are from China's top state-run think tank, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. And it was published by the official mouthpiece of the Communist Party, the Peoples Daily. Further, when reporters raised it with the spokesman for China's foreign ministry, Hua Chunying, she answered the history of Okinawa and the Ryukyu chain had ''long called for attention in academia''.

Japan protested in strong terms at the publication. At one point, the home islands of Japan, too, paid tribute to the emperor of China. ''By General Luo's 'logic','' writes Chris Nelson, editor of the Washington-based Nelson Report, a daily newsletter on Asian policy affairs, ''his next essay will claim the Japanese home islands for China.

''Presumably even the … humorists at the PLA staff college might find that a bit of an overreach. But just in case, we'd note that Chinese ship anchors, an estimated 1000 to 1500 years old, have been recovered off Mexico's Pacific coast, so why stop at Japan?''

Australia in the centuries before European discovery did not pay tribute to Imperial China, but when China's then president, Hu Jintao, addressed the Australian Parliament in 2003, he pointed out: ''Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China's Ming Dynasty reached Australian shores. For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what they called Southern Land, or today's Australia.'' They brought Chinese culture to this land and lived harmoniously with the local people, contributing their proud share to Australia's economy, society and its thriving pluralistic culture.''This is not fiction. It's supported by archaeological evidence of visits by Chinese sailors half a millennium before Captain Cook.

If Chinese nationalists can invent arguments about territorial sovereignty on the grounds of cultural and official contacts half a millennium ago, before most of today's nation states existed, then, as Barme says, where does it stop? China's senior leadership has not publicly endorsed this cheeky argument. But neither has it disowned it. The question is, why is it being advanced and tolerated by the leadership, perhaps even tacitly endorsed, and why now?

''From the Chinese viewpoint the Okinawan islands resemble nothing so much as a giant maritime Great Wall,'' writes ANU's expert on the island, Gavan McCormack, ''potentially blocking naval access to the Pacific Ocean.'' So it's important strategically in its own right. But an expert on Chinese elite politics, Willy Lam, of Hong Kong's Chinese University, says it's ''psychological warfare'' to pressure Japan into concessions on China's lesser territorial claims over the uninhabited Senkaku, as the Japanese call them, or Diaoyus in Chinese.

And why now? China's rising power has coupled with a stirring assertiveness to enliven its claims in several long-dormant disputes.Says Barme: ''The new president, Xi Jinping, has very firm views and they are not what we in the West want them to be. ''He and his cohort think that China has been coasting and has not put itself forward strongly enough. In Chinese terms it's not outrageous and Xi believes China is a major world power and must exert itself as a major power should. I think everyone is in for a bit of a tough time.''

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Article by Peter Hartcher, Sydney Morning Herald's International Editor

Who wants to be a part of China?

 

[rott]

The whole Chinese history in this 100 years is a catastrophe.
*sigh*, poor Chinese people.
That's why we have to "good good study day day up".

I remember when my father used to tell me stories about how we had to remove the metal grills from our house windows to donate them to the military and turning them into ammunition. Anything metal would do the trick. Such was the state of China. China was in her most humiliated form in her entire history as a nation. Fortunately I wasn't born yet.
And when reading the comments here, seems to just about bring back sad memories of the past.

 

[Zero_wing]

I hindi na sila nga comment hahahaha wala masabi kasi

 

[rott]

You forget the most important gift that Mao brought to China, national security.

In the hundred year before Mao took over, China has signed over 1000 unequal treaties that has cede territory, paid over astronomical amount of reparations, concession of administrative rights in lease territories, tolerating station of foreign military and police troop in China territory, concession of tariffs, legal rights and sphere of influence to large powerful and tiny countries that China has not even heard of alike. China was humiliated over and over again.

It was Mao that galvanized the Chinese people to stand up and defend China. It was Mao that took on the US lead UN forces in the Korean war. China for a long long time has for the first time shown the world that she can stood on her own against even the strongest of opponent. It was under Mao that China become a nuclear power and a permanent member of the UNSC. No countries big and small would dare to do what they did before to China again. You have to agree that Mao and CCP did delivered this most important primary wish of all Chinese people that spark all the political movements in early 20th century.

Without China sufficiently confident in her security, China could not have been in the position to negotiate the opening up and begin the rapid development that we have witness for the last thirty years.

Well said!!! I couldn't have said it better. +1

 

[rott]

Because they miss out on that back in the 19th century when everybody made them their you know hahahahhaha

Chinese miss out on that back in the 19th century, but Philippine is still in the 19th century.

How's the banana coming on?

 

[rott]

I hindi na sila nga comment hahahaha wala masabi kasi

Reported post.
Reason = Non English

 

[Zero_wing]

Chinese miss out on that back in the 19th century, but Philippine is still in the 19th century.

How's the banana coming on?

Again with stereotyping? man your kind just said

Reported post.
Reason = Non English

Thanks you can google it oh right i forgot hahahaha

 

[gambit]

Who wants to be a part of China?

Illustration: John Shakespeare

Until now, China's territorial claims on Japan have been limited to small uninhabited rocks. And that was enough to create tension between the world's second-biggest economy and the third-biggest.But a new chorus of influential Chinese is raising the stakes. They argue that Japan is not entitled to one of its biggest islands, Okinawa, home to 1.4 million people and host to some of the biggest US military bases in the world.

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And why now? China's rising power has coupled with a stirring assertiveness to enliven its claims in several long-dormant disputes.Says Barme: ''The new president, Xi Jinping, has very firm views and they are not what we in the West want them to be. ''He and his cohort think that China has been coasting and has not put itself forward strongly enough. In Chinese terms it's not outrageous and Xi believes China is a major world power and must exert itself as a major power should. I think everyone is in for a bit of a tough time.''

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Article by Peter Hartcher, Sydney Morning Herald's International Editor

Who wants to be a part of China?

This is about the attitude of entitlement. The Chinese feels they are the superior to all. For now it is patches of the seas and a few islands, tomorrow it will be the rest of the world that they will claim to be theirs. Even what others produce out of their own efforts are not immune to Chinese claim -- the Internet.

China want the Internet to be turned over to international control with China on a governing panel. China is claiming that this is out national interests. Just wait and see, one of these days, China will say that if you have Asiatic features, you must pay China royalty payments.

 

[jhungary]

The meaning of the word "Power Play" is not solely depend on how much power can your country alone gave, it's fuelled from a Coalition of Power in the heart of Coalition of country.

Even China can out perform US financially in the next 10 or 15 years, it will take China at least 100 years to get to where US now, again, what make US great is not anything American, but different people and different country that put their trust in America, China included.

What US realise after WW2 is nothing but a simple fact, that is, no country can do it alone, If I have to rate, Nazi German can simply be better than any country in the world at that time, Very Strong Military, very advance technology, but do you even ever realise why Nazi Germany is defeated? That's because no matter how big is your country, no matter how advance your technology, there are one thing you as a person, as a single country cannot do, that is to take over the world. No country in this world have a big enough stomach to swallow the whole world. US realise it and when the American Conquering the world in the 60s and 70s. She share their reward with hers coalition. Hence people follow America.

China on the other hand. Still has not realise this. Judging from the recent China-Japan roll, China-India roll, China-Taiwan-Philippine Roll, they are making Enemy instead of friends. And some post before some dude actually say Good Guy imagine come from your power. The more the power you got, the more the "Good-Guy" image you would have.

Let me tell you what will the world do if China become too big and a threat to the world, There can only be the world swallow China, China can never swallow the whole world. Feel free to believe what you belief. That does not make that true one bit

 

[Zero_wing]

The meaning of the word "Power Play" is not solely depend on how much power can your country alone gave, it's fuelled from a Coalition of Power in the heart of Coalition of country.

Even China can out perform US financially in the next 10 or 15 years, it will take China at least 100 years to get to where US now, again, what make US great is not anything American, but different people and different country that put their trust in America, China included.

What US realise after WW2 is nothing but a simple fact, that is, no country can do it alone, If I have to rate, Nazi German can simply be better than any country in the world at that time, Very Strong Military, very advance technology, but do you even ever realise why Nazi Germany is defeated? That's because no matter how big is your country, no matter how advance your technology, there are one thing you as a person, as a single country cannot do, that is to take over the world. No country in this world have a big enough stomach to swallow the whole world. US realise it and when the American Conquering the world in the 60s and 70s. She share their reward with hers coalition. Hence people follow America.

China on the other hand. Still has not realise this. Judging from the recent China-Japan roll, China-India roll, China-Taiwan-Philippine Roll, they are making Enemy instead of friends. And some post before some dude actually say Good Guy imagine come from your power. The more the power you got, the more the "Good-Guy" image you would have.

Let me tell you what will the world do if China become too big and a threat to the world, There can only be the world swallow China, China can never swallow the whole world. Feel free to believe what you belief. That does not make that true one bit

Now that's a grade a material there people nice job as ever please i beg of you take the monitor on this forum the Imperials are never far.

 

[applesauce]

This is about the attitude of entitlement. The Chinese feels they are the superior to all. For now it is patches of the seas and a few islands, tomorrow it will be the rest of the world that they will claim to be theirs. Even what others produce out of their own efforts are not immune to Chinese claim -- the Internet.

China want the Internet to be turned over to international control with China on a governing panel. China is claiming that this is out national interests. Just wait and see, one of these days, China will say that if you have Asiatic features, you must pay China royalty payments.

dont spew lies and dont project your own thoughts on to the chinese.

chinese territorial claims have never expanded, it only contracted, through negotiations, since the founding of the peoples republic.

china wants the international control for the internet because it thinks the US has vast control over the internet(and the US does have vast control of the internet) and what exactly is wrong with a international oversight of the way the internet develops? it does not advocate everyone go for censorship nor does it want anyone else to adopt Chinese views on the internet.

making ridiculous claims like "one of these days, China will say that if you have Asiatic features, you must pay China royalty payments." does not help your case in any way and only demonstrates that you are no more than a troll

 

[gambit]

china wants the international control for the internet because it thinks the US has vast control over the internet(and the US does have vast control of the internet) and what exactly is wrong with a international oversight of the way the internet develops? it does not advocate everyone go for censorship nor does it want anyone else to adopt Chinese views on the internet.

The Internet is an American invention. That alone make it wrong for anyone to demand that the US cede control of it, especially over to a panel of overseers that contains dictatorships.