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China/Pakistan/India - Was Nehru smarter than Modi?

Did you read the first post, I am talking about this from Reuters:

"(Reuters) - However, military officers in both countries and officials in New Delhi say the violence that has killed nearly 20 civilians escalated because of a more assertive Indian posture under the new government of nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi."

Modi's bravado ups the ante in India-Pakistan fighting | Reuters

Reuters quoted from officials in BOTH New Delhi and Pakistan. They both agree, that the situation on India's borders is escalating because of the "new assertive posture" from Modi.

Those are not my words, those are the words of your officials, quoted by Reuters.

'it 'escalated' means it was already there. Why should India not be assertive? Fire, kill a few soldiers and then go back to status quo. Are our soldiers cannon fodder so that every time a political crisis erupts in pak they need to be sacrificed so that attention can be taken away from all the f@ck ups of the govt and distract it to 'India'? We should just throw away our soldiers like little pawns for Pak Politics?

It look like Modi will try to start a war with Pakistan? Watch for him to doom people of sub continent.

Is that Nicole kidman in your profile?
 
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'it 'escalated' means it was already there. Why should India not be assertive? Fire, kill a few soldiers and then go back to status quo. Are our soldiers cannon fodder so that every time a political crisis erupts in pak they need to be sacrificed so that attention can be taken away from all the f@ck ups of the govt and distract it to 'India'? We should just throw away our soldiers like little pawns for Pak Politics?



Is that Nicole kidman in your profile?

Her name is Robyn Lawley.
 
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Did you read the first post, I am talking about this from Reuters:

"(Reuters) - However, military officers in both countries and officials in New Delhi say the violence that has killed nearly 20 civilians escalated because of a more assertive Indian posture under the new government of nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi."

Modi's bravado ups the ante in India-Pakistan fighting | Reuters

Reuters quoted from officials in BOTH New Delhi and Pakistan. They both agree, that the situation on India's borders is escalating because of the "new assertive posture" from Modi.

Those are not my words, those are the words of your officials, quoted by Reuters.

You are now misinterpreting it, there had always been border firing from Pakistan to create blanket for insurgents to infiltrate in India but the news only mentioning the more stringent response from India. BTW Chinese have dispute with countries as far as Malaysia and we often listen about Chinese ordeals in Senkakus and South China sea, so don't pretend China is 'holier than thou'. :wacko:
 
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Its like comparing Nokia 1100 with Iphone. Both were from different time. One comes from a time when india was infant and other comes from a time when india became a lazy fat giant. Set of problems cant be compared. But modi like Iphone is dealing with other features too apart from running a country. Nokia 1100 also just helped in making calls and send texts
Your metaphor is slightly inaccurate,I think they have the same hardware but different software.
 
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What is the standard of a think tank analyst who thinks there can be a large scale war between india and chin. Era of large scale wars is gone. Look at russia ukraine. But how do you make think tank troll understand.
 
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Like I said, China has had no cross-border bloodshed for over 30 years.

We use water cannons and tents, nobody dies. You guys use bullets and artillery on civilian villages across your LOC, not to mention the reports of soldiers being beheaded and their bodies mutilated. Or kids from Bangladesh hanging from border fences with bullet holes from your BSF, or cattle traders with the same.

The reason we don't use lethal means, is because of our official policy of "China's peaceful rise", which has ensured no cross-border bloodshed in the past 30 years.

But of course that doesn't mean we won't respond, and a cross-border firing by Modi will be like Nehru's Forward Policy x 10, and a much stupider one considering that the Indian Army has already admitted they have no chance of matching China, "and the gap is growing larger every year".

And if Pakistan would join us in our response this time (Ayub Khan rejected our offer in favor of a joint-defence with India back then), that would be a very welcome bonus, and help them achieve their objectives while letting us do the heavy fighting.

All this is nonsense. The reality is China is now a global power with a lot new toys and it wants to try them out. That's why the same Chinese who spent 50 years minding their own business suddenly feel like everyone is trying to pick a fight them.
 
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All this is nonsense. The reality is China is now a global power with a lot new toys and it wants to try them out. That's why the same Chinese who spent 50 years minding their own business suddenly feel like everyone is trying to pick a fight them.

I think you missed most of the posts in this thread, including the ones in the first page.

Reuters quoted both Indian and Pakistani officials, who agree that it is Modi's "new assertive posture" that is causing an escalation on the border issues.

Who changed the status quo? India did.

Just like before:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

We are the ones who are gaining the fastest in relative power, in the whole world. It doesn't suit our interests to rock the boat, but of course we will have to respond if a war is imposed on us.
 
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Chinese PLA occupies indian territories and stays there for days.....now what would you expect from the indians??....China needs to place restraint on its policy of expansionism.....otherwise it won't be too long for the dragon to get its head chopped off at the hands of the Indians

Read the post you quoted. :lol:

Reuters quoted both Indian and Pakistani officials, who agree that it is Modi's "new assertive posture" that is causing an escalation on the border issues.

Who changed the status quo? India did.

Just like before:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

It is India, that is changing the status quo. It is India that is trying to start a war, just like before.

The difference is that now, even the Indian Army itself has admitted "India cannot hope to match China by any conventional or non-conventional means, and the gap is growing larger every day".

Nehru was clever, he attacked when we were at our weakest point.

Modi on the other hand is trying the same against us, when we are at our strongest point. :enjoy:
 
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Believe me, there are a lot of Chinese nationalists who are stung by the two absurd and contradictory claims: "China is a warmonger", followed by "Haha, China doesn't have enough fighting experience because they haven't fought a war for over 30 years!"

Completely contradictory, but some truth in the latter one. What's the point of spending such massive sums of money, building advanced military platforms, increasing our defence production to near the top of the world, if we don't use it to defend our sovereignty?

Modi looks like he wants to push, though I think if it comes to that, China will be the one doing most of the heavy work. Pakistan can pull half their army to the other border by taking an aggressive posture, and could maybe come in at the end, to handle the aftermath once the majority of the fighting is over.

It's safer to have a China-India fight than a India-Pakistan one, since both China and India have "No First Use" policies, and we have a staggering nuclear advantage over India (India's total arsenal is only about 1 megaton, compared to 4 megatons for ONE single Chinese thermonuclear weapon).

Nehru's Forward Policy was a mistake but it was a clever idea at its root, to take Chinese land without a fight, while we were dying from starvation. Modi on the other hand is facing a China at the very peak of our power in the last 200 years, our manufacturing capability alone could overwhelm them, since we can essentially produce infinite amounts of our own indigenous weapons platforms, backed by China's currency reserves which are larger than the rest of the world combined.

Due to our policy, we won't fire first, though in practically that is not really a problem if someone really wanted to start a conflict, especially with Modi's "new assertive posture".

you are talking as if your are xi jinping. :lol: you cannot even vote.

anyway, i didn't see any reaction from chinese side on the india-pak border issue. china is a neutral state in india-pak issue. any change in that position will firmly put india in US-Japan-Australia camp.

the truth is china see india more of partner, a large market, and a swing state.

now can you please stop your bravado.
 
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Chinese PLA occupies indian territories and stays there for days.....now what would you expect from the indians??....China needs to place restraint on its policy of expansionism.....otherwise it won't be too long for the dragon to get its head chopped off at the hands of the Indians
@Horus @Jungibaaz can you check this guy...a false flagger ashamed of his real identity using a Pakistani flag
 
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Reuters quoted both Indian and Pakistani officials, who agree that it is Modi's "new assertive posture" that is causing an escalation on the border issues.
LOL chinese tent war is going on since manmohan's time, when a new prime minister objects your tent than he become a war monger and chinese as usual are always innocent.
 
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you are talking as if your are xi jinping. :lol: you cannot even vote.

anyway, i didn't see any reaction from chinese side on the india-pak border issue. china is a neutral state in india-pak issue. any change in that position will firmly put india in US-Japan-Australia camp.

the truth is china see india more of partner, a large market, and a swing state.

now can you please stop your bravado.

I do vote. Didn't you read the first page? :lol:

This is not like the caste system sir, I think you are confused. You can check our election results on Wikipedia.
 
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I think you missed most of the posts in this thread, including the ones in the first page.

Reuters quoted both Indian and Pakistani officials, who agree that it is Modi's "new assertive posture" that is causing an escalation on the border issues.

Who changed the status quo? India did.

Just like before:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

We are the ones who are gaining the fastest in relative power, in the whole world. It doesn't suit our interests to rock the boat, but of course we will have to respond if a war is imposed on us.

What do you mean 'India changed the status quo?'. We were fired upon and we retaliated fittingly. Your suggestion that India should stand by and allow 20 ceasefire violantions, taking 3/4 soldiers or more each (that adds up to 60) is just laughable.
 
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LOL chinese tent war is going on since manmohan's time, when a new prime minister objects your tent than he become a war monger and chinese as usual are always innocent.

Well, it happened before, didn't it?

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

The difference is that this time, China is not at our weakest point, like we were during the last one, and on the verge of collapse from the worst famine in our history.

Now we are at our strongest point in the past 200 years. Let's wait till Modi makes a mistake on the border. :enjoy:
 
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