China/Pakistan/India - Was Nehru smarter than Modi?

[Vinod2070]

Despite what India might claim, their union is much more fragile than ours. Exponentially more, I would say, due to their divided demographics.

We will see. Many of you have been "Hanized" but you are still very vulnerable.

Especially once Indian Muslims reach 30-40% of their population. At that stage, I do not believe they would accept domination by Modi and his kind, however long they manage to keep stability, it will always be ready to fall like a house of cards at the slightest sneeze.

This shows the kind of ignorance when "knowledge" is received from dubious sources.

My sincere advice, ignorance is OK. No need to flaunt it.

Meanwhile, wait for the two nation theory from your own Muslims. You are mistaken if you think there can be none. This theory is universal as it stands.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And what better way to break that trust, than the Indian people voluntarily electing a mass murderer of Indian Muslims. That is breaking the very foundation of their union.

Once the Indian Muslims no longer believe in that idea, and their population becomes large enough, that will be Partition 2.0.

That's Aero speaking. Not worth replying.

Indian Muslims have no political power in India.

All they have is numbers, but those numbers are deceptive; they don't translate into any kind of economic or political clout.

LOLWA. Then why do you think Congress and other parties(Islamic included) stayed in power?

Especially once Indian Muslims reach 30-40% of their population. At that stage, I do not believe they would accept domination by Modi and his kind, however long they manage to keep stability, it will always be ready to fall like a house of cards at the slightest sneeze.

The 'house of cards' analogy. Hitler's thoughts regarding the Soviet Union of 1941 comes to mind.

But the 1947 partition line was also drawn by the British (or people working for the British), and the politics of the subcontinent are pointing towards the fact that it was again, a badly drawn line. Not just Indian Muslims but also Northeast Indians who are called "ch*nkis" by regular Indians, and possibly even southern Indians who think the Indian government helped the Sri Lankan government kill their fellow Tamils. Or Eastern Indians who share a similar problem to those in the NE, but are also swept with Maoists.

The cute hope. Nurtured since 1947. All this while we added Kashmir, Sikkim, Goa etc

 

[Narashima]

I have another point beyond that as well.
The Indian union is held together only by the idea of "unity in diversity".
Once the Indian Muslims no longer believe in that idea, and their population becomes large enough, that will be Partition 2.0.
And what better way to break that trust, than the Indian people voluntarily electing a mass murderer of Indian Muslims. That is breaking the very foundation of their union.
And it's not our fault either, we didn't force them to elect Modi. They did it themselves.

LOL you mean to say muslims are separatists and can't live in peace with people of other religion? You are actually abusing the pakistani here "the flag bearer of islam".

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Well you guys have the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world (soon to be number 1 largest Muslim population in the world), so shouldn't it be you guys going to fight for the "Ummah"? Like all those Indians now in Syria?

We'll stay out of that BS. We have zero demographic concerns, since the percentage population of minorities is so low, and their population growth rates are stable (partly due to government policy), so even in 10-20 years their percentage of the population will be the same, or even shrink.

India is long past that bridge, they are already fighting for the position of the number 1 largest Muslim population in the world.

I remain uncertain whether you are attempting to insult India or Indians or Muslims here

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Ok. So this is what I get.

India's existence is only a matter of time.

Pakistan and China will gain the pieces.

I think instead of posting you folks should meet and start celebrating in anticipation.

 

[Vinod2070]

Well you guys have the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world (soon to be number 1 largest Muslim population in the world), so shouldn't it be you guys going to fight for the "Ummah"? Like all those Indians now in Syria?

You are factually wrong. We don't have the 2nd largest Muslim population now and won't have the largest Muslim population in future.

When you can't get the basic data right, what is there to discuss?

We'll stay out of that BS. We have zero demographic concerns, since the percentage population of minorities is so low, and their population growth rates are stable (partly due to government policy), so even in 10-20 years their percentage of the population will be the same, or even shrink.

So you think having more Muslims is necessarily a problem.

Well, I see that your less than 1% Uighurs are giving you enough trouble and once the Huis get into the game, things may get more interesting. Then you are going to be the largest Christian country in the world soon. Let's see how that changes things.

India is long past that bridge, they are already fighting for the position of the number 1 largest Muslim population in the world.

As I said, you are factually wrong. This is just not happening.

 

[Developereo]

Oh!! @Chinese-Dragon didn't know that his mindless trolling is actually a master stroke!! He was rather busy proving that claimed Chinese high IQ is actually fudged data. Hence you got a positive rating from him for your attempt to glorify stupidity.

Almost everyone admits that Indian voters expect Modi to be more assertive on the foreign front, and @Chinese-Dragon is asking whether Modi will cross the line from 'assertive' into 'reckless'.

That's a legitimate question.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I remain uncertain whether you are attempting to insult India or Indians or Muslims here

How about India and Indian Muslims?

Almost everyone admits that Indian voters expect Modi to be more assertive on the foreign front, and @Chinese-Dragon is asking whether Modi will cross the line from 'assertive' into 'reckless'.

That's a legitimate question.

No. That's the question you are asking. Not him. He asked a question and answered it himself. You are making a point that makes sense from your POV.

He has made up his mind on Modi's assertiveness. You are waiting to see for a few more years to come to a conclusion.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

LOL you mean to say muslims are separatists and can't live in peace with people of other religion? You are actually abusing the pakistani here "the flag bearer of islam".

No offense to any Muslim, I am sure our Muslim friends would agree if they have read my posts.

What I'm saying is that partition already happened in India, due to the same poorly drawn British lines used in Sudan, Iraq, Syria that have all broken (though much later than the 1947 partition which was the first).

The commonality here is poorly drawn British lines, and by poorly drawn I mean they break, due to having no truly dominant demographic majority, leading to infighting between the various large demographic groups. And those lines have broken already.

 

[Developereo]

LOLWA. Then why do you think Congress and other parties(Islamic included) stayed in power?

That's my point: that Indian Muslims themselves have no power. All they can do is to hope that Congress addresses their concerns. If Congress doesn't, what choice do the Muslims have anyway?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No offense to any Muslim, I am sure our Muslim friends would agree if they have read my posts.

ISIS supporters and hardcore Islamists would agree, not regular Muslims. Yeah, the same type bombing and killing innocent Pakistanis for example. They have this opinion that once they have the numbers they deserve to rule according to thier diktats. The Pak Army is currently teaching them a lesson.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I am surprised there are no Pakistanis commenting in this thread. I think it would be a mistake if they turned down China's offer again like Ayub Khan did in 1962, luckily I believe they would not turn down such an opportunity again.

Yes please invite us to Ghazw-e- Hind. Jokes aside but if there was to be a war between Indian and Pakistan, Pakistan should at least attempt to take Kashmir. We should help China, they have given us a lot. As friends and brother its the least Pakistan could do for China.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's my point: that Indian Muslims themselves have no power. All they can do is to hope that Congress addresses their concerns. If Congress doesn't, what choice do the Muslims have anyway?

Indian Muslims have many political parties. MIM, PDI etc. Hell, we even have a Muslim League. The Indian Muslim population is divided all over the country. This prevents a national Muslim party. But in the state level there are many of such parties. Remember Owaisi?

Also remember that religious parties are of little importance. Don't forget that Congress stayed in Power due to non Muslim votes.

We need pro India parties that provide us with food, employment etc.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes please invite us to Ghazw-e- Hind. Jokes aside but if there was to be a war between Indian and Pakistan, Pakistan should at least attempt to take Kashmir. We should help China, they have given us a lot. As friends and brother its the least Pakistan could do for China.

You are right, that should have happened in 1962, India was already defeated at that point, so the door was open for a Sino-Pakistani joint program to fix the border issue (including Kashmir). Unfortunately Ayub Khan was a bit anti-China, but surely that will not be the last opportunity.

 

[INDIC]

@Chinese-Dragon is turning into another clown Zaid Hamid.