China No Longer Needs US Parts in its Phones

[Mujahid Memon]

Yes but without Google services and apps, Huawei phones will not be very appealing outside China and a few other countries.

The P40 pro despite being technically the best Android phone is not selling very well here in the UK.

Google apps are too overrated. I never use Chrome and Gmail bcoz there are better alternatives out there. Only Youtube and Gmaps are worthy but they can be easily replaced.

 

[Mr Happy]

Google apps are too overrated. I never use Chrome and Gmail bcoz there are better alternatives out there. Only Youtube and Gmaps are worthy but they can be easily replaced.

Many great empires came and went. China is another country in the list.

The Might and Power is with Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. La hawla wa la quwwata ila bilah.

 

[925boy]

Many bigger empires came before China. They come and go. Nobody stays forever.

Ok. So whats your point?

 

[Mr Happy]

Ok. So whats your point?

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has all the power and might. China is just another country.

Chips were the only thing left that US can use to sanction China, now this last chip is gone, tables have been turned and in the future we're gonna sanction US more and more and give US a taste of its own medicine.

First, deal with Corona. I do not wish it. However, you might get a second wave.

 

[dbc]

Facts check. Android is not American. It's base on Linux, while Linux is open source.

Of course it is, Linux is US origin and its export falls within the remit of US laws. If Linux is denied to China in the future, China has the source code it can circumvent these restrictions and use the OS freely within China.
However, China will not be able to export any derivatives of such to other countries.


Under the provisions of License Exception TSU, open source and the
corresponding object code may be exported to all destinations except
Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria. Thus, open source
and the corresponding object code are treated as if subject only to AT
(anti-terrorism) controls. Items subject to AT controls may be exported
to Iraq under the interim final rule (68 Fed. Reg. 38188) amending the
Iraqi Sanctions Regulations.

It is incongruous that publicly available software such as Linux has
more restrictions than proprietary operating system software. Thus, we
respectfully suggest that BIS amend Section 746.3 to permit exports to
Iraq of open source and the corresponding object code.

 

[vi-va]

Linux is US origin

History of Linux
Linux began in 1991 as a personal project by Finnish student Linus Torvalds: to create a new free operating system kernel.

 

[dbc]

History of Linux
Linux began in 1991 as a personal project by Finnish student Linus Torvalds: to create a new free operating system kernel.

Read your own source Linux is US origin by law, Linus Torvalds leveraged GNU which is US origin.

 

[BHAN85]

Of course it is, Linux is US origin and its export falls within the remit of US laws. If Linux is denied to China in the future, China has the source code it can circumvent these restrictions and use the OS freely within China.
However, China will not be able to export any derivatives of such to other countries.


Under the provisions of License Exception TSU, open source and the
corresponding object code may be exported to all destinations except
Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria. Thus, open source
and the corresponding object code are treated as if subject only to AT
(anti-terrorism) controls. Items subject to AT controls may be exported
to Iraq under the interim final rule (68 Fed. Reg. 38188) amending the
Iraqi Sanctions Regulations.

It is incongruous that publicly available software such as Linux has
more restrictions than proprietary operating system software. Thus, we
respectfully suggest that BIS amend Section 746.3 to permit exports to
Iraq of open source and the corresponding object code.

It's easy for them avoid those bans.

They can sell smartphones with a own OS and let the choice to the final user to download a firmware with linux. It's hard to ban export software if the final user wants to install anything.

Western press agencies should demonize more China about Covid, in order to persuade users to avoid use Made In China .

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...at-to-european-values-by-george-soros-2020-02

George Soros said that it's dangerous for the west use 5g by huawei due to China government can use that to blackmail western governments in the future. I agree with him.

 

[vi-va]

Read your own source Linux is US origin by law, Linus Torvalds leveraged GNU which is US origin.

Gosh, you should NOT use paper, because it's Chinese origin.

 

[dbc]

Gosh, you should NOT use paper, because it's Chinese origin.

Don’t be silly

It's easy for them avoid those bans.

They can sell smartphones with a own OS and let the choice to the final user to download a firmware with linux. It's hard to ban export software if the final user wants to install anything.

Western press agencies should demonize more China about Covid, in order to persuade users to avoid use Made In China .

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...at-to-european-values-by-george-soros-2020-02

George Soros said that it's dangerous for the west use 5g by huawei due to China government can use that to blackmail western governments in the future. I agree with him.

Not worried about China or it’s OS, their captive market is their greatest strength and ironically their greatest weakness.

 

[kuge]

Many bigger empires came before China. They come and go. Nobody stays forever.

not any more after a great war.. that one everlasting kingdom will come to usher in a new world order forever.

 

[925boy]

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has all the power and might. China is just another country.

It seems you are in a sort of time warp and think we are in year 2000. Please wake up.

 

[antonius123]

Don’t be silly



Not worried about China or it’s OS, their captive market is their greatest strength and ironically their greatest weakness.

Weakness? why?
It is a cradle of the next global giants.

 

[Mr Happy]

It seems you are in a sort of time warp and think we are in year 2000. Please wake up.

It seems you are in a sort of time warp and think we are in year 2000. Please wake up.

Bye.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Chips were the only thing left that US can use to sanction China, now this last chip is gone, tables have been turned and in the future we're gonna sanction US more and more and give US a taste of its own medicine.

Even now, the phones use chips made by Taiwan which is also using USA IPR. This means USA can prohibit Taiwan from selling its chips to China by twisting its IPR control.

Some of those parts are off the shelf parts not core stuff. It's just that it's branded and tested, so Huawei do not need to waste time qualifying new components. Local companies can make the same shit.... I told ppl many many times...

Not true. Some parts like plastics, speakers, camera etc can be made by local companies but the chipset and memory requires advanced semiconductor which ia with Taiwan, Korea and USA and all of this has USA origin IPR which means that China still needs USA IPR for chipset, though it may be importing from Taiwan. The older generation chipset with China can't have as much speed in processing or as much capacity in memory as latest generation one.

But a lot of self bragging and delusion American will disagree with you.

Not just Americans but even anti-American like me also disagrees as this is factually incorrect. China is simply importing from Taiwan but it is still USA technology and IPR.

Huawei vs US.
A company vs a country, so called super power.

HUAWEI is Chinese state supported company. Si, it is still China vs USA.

Problem is that Huawei phones still run on Android OS. That's American. If the US bans Android, Huaweii will be in big trouble.

Android is open source. Only the Google features are American. Even then, China has its own OS and Google is banned in China anyways. Only exports will be hit. But that too can be alleviated by developing a new App store using Chinese developers and also attracting the app makers of google play by offering incentives.

Not really. There are a lot of things the US can sanction China on but has been hesitant due to the economic volatility that would ensue. GE Engines is another thing. Honeywell systems is another thing. China's avionics industry is very immature and significantly relies on advanced foreign components.

If the US also wanted to, it can pressure its allies to limit exports to China on things like advanced machinery, semiconductor manufacturing equipment, etc.

Not to mention Google just established quantum supremacy, that's another area that China is behind in. Also, the sanctioning of Google apps for Huawei phones has pretty much destroyed Huawei's foreign market share. The US can do the same for any Chinese origin phones or brands, that would completely destroy their market share in countries outside of China.

China is also deeply reliant on the supply of US dollars for its trade. If the US wanted to, it could limit the supply of dollars to China and that would deeply impact China's trade.



Other phone brands will rise who have access to these chips. Maybe phones Samsung phones or phones made in Vietnam or even India. A few years ago, Chinese smartphone brands were nobodies. In a few years, Vietnamese phones may become popular.

China has its own avionics too. Even when some avionics and aeronautical machines are needed, China imports from Russia. GE engines are only used in commercial planes of China. However, China can make its own engine if it needs by modifying its military engine or import from Russia. USA has very limited control over anything other than semiconductors. USA banned all exports of semiconductor fabrication machines long back and hence China developed its own fabrication machines for 28nm.

Nevertheless, as I have said above, China still imports Taiwan chipset which is based on USA IPR and hence USA can still restrict it