China in talks to export Pakistan bigger nuke plant

[Cheetah786]

Nuclear power is yesterdays Tech we should be concentrating on solar and wind power for most of our energy needs.

 

[Nagraj]

^^^^
budy we live in south asia and sadly our leaders follow(or rather ape ) US.when us is starting to invest in clean tech we are investing in nuclear plants.
well in due time we will perhaps invest in clean tech as well.

 

[Nagraj]

Are you that naive or trying to be ??

Pakistan is already operating nuclear plants, this won't be a first.

So whatever would be bought, would be done after all technical evaluations are done, safety included in it.

i wasn't talking about technical capabilities.
it's more like planning ahead for the financial liability god forbid in case there is one.
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on the other hand china is not doing any ahsaan on you.
you are paying money for it.
you have every right to extract as much as you can.

 

[justanobserver]

Nuclear power is yesterdays Tech we should be concentrating on solar and wind power for most of our energy needs.

Solar power: too expensive
Wind power: only limited sites can be used


Nuclear power is the future, the only thing that can compete with the huge coal/gas plants. Solar/Wind will supplement these plants not supplant them.

Did you know that major research into thorium (more abundant than uranium) based reactors was opposed by the oil lobby in the US ?

Maybe one day power thourgh fusion will be a reality!

Link: ITER is working on a protoype reactor.

 

[justanobserver]

US.when us is starting to invest in clean tech we are investing in nuclear plants.

USA stopped investing in nuclear power due to different reasons, minor one being the incident at 3 Mile Island, but the main reason is the opposition from the petroleum lobby.

 

[Sal-adin]

I hope we get that soon!

 

[Safriz]

At last count Pakistans electricity needs superseded production by 5000 mega watts.
1000MW plant wont suffice.

 

[mjnaushad]

Well you are buying a nuclear reactor, if it proves to be defective or there is mishap with the reactor, then who will pay for the damages ??

What is a SOP??

Do you think China Pakistan are kids who dont know how to make contract or dont know which clauses to put in a contract. If i had access to real contact i'll surely tell you.

SOP means Standard Operating Procedure

 

[Safriz]

Pakistan has extensive experience since 1970s in operating a nuclear reactor..Unlike long island of USA and Chernobyl of Russia,Pakistan never had a nuclear mishap.

 

[indushek]

China in talks to export Pakistan bigger nuke plant

BEIJING: China National Nuclear Corp (CNNC) is in discussions to build a 1-gigawatt scale nuclear power plant in Pakistan, after having built two there and signed agreements for two other smaller ones, a CNNC executive said on Monday.

“After the successful, safe operation of the first 300-megawatt reactor in Chashma...the second reactor is now under testing and is expected to start formal operations by the end of this year,” said Qiu Jiangang, vice president of CNNC.

Qiu said the two countries have signed contracts to build the No. 3 and No. 4 reactors of similar size.

Qiu made the remarks at a ceremony in Beijing. China's other leading nuclear power firm, China Guangdong Nuclear Power Corp, is launching commercial operations for a new 1-GW nuclear reactor in southern Guangdong province.

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1 gigawatt = 1000 megawatt

I am unable to understand the news. On one hand the starting sentence says that a CNNC executive had talked about building a 1 gigawatt reactor in Pakistan.

However the remarks of Mr. Qiu Jiangang state only about the 3rd and 4th reactors at Chashma.

Is it that the 1 gigawatt reactor being built by China Guangdong Nuclear Power Corp being confused with this Pakistani one???

Also i have another question:

If my above doubt is a misinterpretation and China is indeed going to build a 1 gigawatt reactor in Pakistan, then i think there will be a lot of trouble from world powers.

You see when China started the talks for building these two reactors at Chashma the reason given by the Chinese was that the deal was signed between China and Pakistan prior to China's joining NSG.

So the deal out of NSG jurisdiction and as a sovereign country China was exercising it right to fulfill the obligation. However for this additional reactor the NSG rules will apply as it is going to be signed now. By going on with this additional reactor deal China will be breaking rules of NSG as Pakistan is not a recipient of NSG waiver as of now.

 

[sparklingway]

China, Pakistan Discuss Another Nuclear Plant​

By JEREMY PAGE

BEIJING—China's main nuclear power company announced that it is in talks to build a one-gigawatt nuclear power plant in Pakistan, even as the two countries face U.S. and Indian concerns over their cooperation to build other plants in Pakistan.

Pakistan has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and U.S. and Indian officials worry that nuclear material might fall into the hands of al Qaeda and Taliban militants based near the Afghan border in northwestern Pakistan.

The state-run China National Nuclear Corp. has already helped Pakistan build its main nuclear power facility at Chashma in Punjab province, is completing a second reactor there and has contracts to build two more 300-megawatt reactors.

Qiu Jiangang, vice president of CNNC, told a meeting in Beijing on Monday that the first reactor was operating safely, the second one was now being tested and expected to start formal operations by the end of the year. "Both sides are in discussions over the CNNC exporting a one-gigawatt nuclear plant to Pakistan," he added, without giving details.

There was no immediate reaction from the U.S. or India. Officials from both countries expressed concern after China signed a deal in February to build the additional two 300-MW reactors. U.S. officials said such plans required special exemption from the 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group, which China joined in 2004, and which is supposed to regulate the global nuclear trade.

Vann H. Van Diepen, the U.S. acting assistant secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation, suggested before the House Foreign Affairs Committee in July that the U.S. would vote against such an exemption.

The U.S. and many other NSG members have long had concerns about nuclear proliferation from Pakistan, especially since A.Q. Khan, its top nuclear scientist, confessed in 2004 to selling nuclear secrets to North Korea, Iran and Libya.

Abdul Basit, a Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokesman, declined to comment on the one-gigawatt plant, but said Pakistan's nuclear cooperation with China was for civilian purposes. "The nuclear cooperation between the two countries are in accordance with international obligations and comes under IAEA safeguards," he said, referring to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

China and Pakistan argue that the U.S. set a precedent by sealing a landmark deal to sell civilian nuclear fuel and technology to India in 2006 even though New Delhi had yet to sign the NPT.

That agreement, which lifted a U.S. ban imposed after India tested its first nuclear device in 1974, is seen as the cornerstone of a new partnership with New Delhi designed to counterbalance China's influence in Asia.

Critics, however, say it undermined the global non-proliferation regime by recognizing India as a global nuclear power, but not Pakistan, even though the South Asian rivals developed nuclear bombs simultaneously.
—Zahid Hussain contributed to this article.

China, Pakistan Discuss Another Nuclear Plant - WSJ.com

 

[CardSharp]

In the end America and India hog-tied themselves in regards to what actions they can take by doing a similar deal in 2006. Even they can't be such hypocrites.

 

[justanobserver]

In the end America and India hog-tied themselves by doing a similar deal

America and India, yes.

But not India and Russia or India and France

Also, it's not like we don't have reactor tech, what we desperately needed was Uranium, tech was there, so this could actually be a good thing.

 

[HAIDER]

I think we have enough SUN in south Asia. But soon in Pakistanis people have their own private wind mills and solar energy houses.

 

[Markus]

I think we have enough SUN in south Asia. But soon in Pakistanis people have their own private wind mills and solar energy houses.

Solar panels are really not that cheap, will be expensive and will require more land to install enough solar panels to generate reasonable amount of power.