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You are idiot.

Han State in Warring States period and Han Dynasty founded by Liu Bang after Qin Dynasty was collapsed is in different name and times. so there were different countries, kid. :p:

Han State was in center and bordering with Qin, Wei and Chu both, there is native land of true Han (ethnic) people, including such ancient land of Xia, Shang, Zhou, where were land of ancestors of Han whose have been lived in ancient time. there is also the area with name of ZhongYuan, Center land of China, HanZhong, Han river...etc.:enjoy:
Just use your brain a bit and read again your own shxt, loser~:close_tema:
[Look again China map in Warring States period, Han State was in center and bordering with Qin, Wei and Chu.]

And what did I just say you illiterate Nam Man Monkey~ :cheesy:
[Once again you have proved that how stupid that you people have abandoned Hanji~:cheesy: That "Han" in the map is , not you stupid Nam Man pig~ They have the same pronunciation but they are totally different things~]

You idiot dare to teach me your freaking own Chinese history after you have made such serious childish mistake and keep repeating your nonsenses in order to try to cover your ignorance, just go kill yourself you useless fool.

Foolish loser keep creating new history~ Xia, Shang and Zhou are never considered as the ONLY ancestors of Han Chinese you fool~ The ancestors of Han Chinese were Huaxia, "Four Ji" and the others. Han ethnicity as a cultural community is a result of cultural integration, it is nothing related to bloodline. (This is what historians and scholars say~ ). Also HanZhong was named from the river Hanjiang (Han River), and Han River was not even called Hanjiang but Mianshui you idiot~ Moreover the Hanjiang (漢江) is even nothing to do with the State of Han (韓) in the Warrior States and the name Han (漢) was nothing but a name of a region only. :-)

So here comes the freaking "True Han Theory", again~
Oh please, my lil Ham Man piggy~ Han you ever seen any historians, scholars, historical records or authoritative historical data that support your amazing theory~ hmm~?
No, you can't find any of them~ because this great theory is only existed in your own stupid brain, your own imagination world~:omghaha:

Besides, the cultures between Xia, Shang and Zhou were highly different~ Let me teach you that, the "true Han" was actually all vanished thousands ago since Shang conquered Xia, there is no such people called Han nowadays~:omghaha:

Yue people were living outside of Warring States border. :dance3:
Fake Kinh and other slaves of evil true Kinh were living outside of Red River Delta.:omghaha:

When Liu bang founded Han Dynasty In North, As a result of the Han Dynasty's prominence, many Chinese began addressing themselves as "people of Han" (漢人).:coffee:

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Let's see here:
{As a result of the Han Dynasty's prominence, many Chinese began addressing themselves as "people of Han" (漢人)}

This doesn't even mention that many Chinese people addressing themselves as "people of Han" DURING THE HAN DYNASTY :rofl:. The term "Han people" became popular during the Northern and Southern Dynasty you lil stupid piggy~ Before that they mostly called themselves 秦人 :dance3:

[匈奴縛馬前後足,置城下,馳言:秦人,我丏若馬。又漢使者久留不還,故興遣貳師將軍,欲以為使者威重也。]
[穿井築城,治樓以藏谷,與秦人守之。]

Besides, during the Ming Dynasty, many Ming people called themselves 唐人, which means "people of Tang" and Tang Dynasty is another Chinese dynasty which had as many prominence as Han Dynasty~ Even now many Chinese still use this term to introduce themselves~ Does it mean that there is a "Tang Ethnic" you idiot loser~? :cheesy:
[唐人者,諸番呼華人之稱也。凡海外諸國盡然]]
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In South China, at first around hundred years, NamYue and MinYue was existed in the same time, people could claimed themselves as Yue.

English people who are posterity of Saxon can indeed claim that their ancestor are Saxons, no big deal~:yay:


When Manchus conquered China, people escaped from China to Vietnam, they claimed themselves as Ming People, they are called as MinHuong by Vietnamese.

It's nothing special.:enjoy:

Was there even a "Ming ethnicity" you stupid Nam Man~ Get the point already~:omghaha:
 
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ha ha ha...just keep posting BS, I don´t mind. How´s about your Taiwan?
Taiwan has not played any role in Chinese history until KMT arrived and occupied the island. Yeah...Taiwan was unknown, not worth to be mentioned in your history. You may return the rock to the island oborigines. You are a fake Taiwanese. :dance3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines

I'm glade you know that this "Fake-this-fake-that theory" is nothing but BS, now could you please tell it to your retarded "fake Kinh" fellow EastSea as well~:omghaha:
 
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We define our civilization based on a common Indic culture, Empires are man made based on personal greed of conquering alien territories.

There is nothing to do with personal greediness nor Empires. It is all about fact.
French history is a part of European history;
Scottish history is a part of British history;
The Mughal Empire is a part of Indian history;
These are all facts.
 
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NanYue, Minyue,and Wuyue are biggest ethnic group belong to Bai Yue, they are no_Han. If Yue people mixed with Han, they are also no Han, they are mixed people.

In linguistically your language Cantonese, there is influenced by Han language because you have to used Han Ji from long time, but in speaking you can not understand each to others if you don't learn Guan Hua. This results in the situation in which a Mandarin and Cantonese text almost look the same, but both are pronounced differently. The two languages have been described as "roughly as similar only as English is to Dutch.":p:

Van lang and Au lac is recorded in our history book and yours from long time. The word "Lac" in "Au Lac" is evaluated from word "Nac" or "nuoc" in Vietnamese, mean "water" or "Country" as we say today "Nuoc Vietnam" mean "Vietnam Country" in English.

Tay, Nung or H'mong people are living in border Vietnam - China, they came from Southern China. They could been happy when we let them chance to live there. They could not been our master, they are guards for us from invasion of Chinese. Nung Chi Cao was the symbol of such relation between Kinh people and other minorities are living in mountain area of North Vietnam. Nung Chi Cao had his rang as royal in Court in Tonkin and married the King's daughter but he had his responsibility to watching about our security.

The Kinh people is native people in our country. The word "Kinh" came from our first Emperor "Kinh Duong Vuong".

from our ancient word "Ke" mean "people". Hanoian say to day "Ke No, Ke Kia" means "this is people, that is people".

Katay (Thai, Muong) people called us with small ton modification as "Keo" people, so that in Han Ji is recorded by Hans in your history book as "Jiao" or "Jiao Ji" people.

You have study more, don't troll nonsense thing here.

What did I see here~ an ignorant Nam Man trying to refute those huge amount of historians, scholars, historical records and authoritative historical data with his single BS mouth~?

No matter how many BS you have spitted, the fact is also be that Cantonese is a Han Chinese dialects, it is a fact that can never be changed by a "history creator"~ :omghaha:

Besides the Hanji of Kinh Duong Vuong is 涇(Kinh)陽王, not 京(Kinh)陽王. It is not even the same freaking "Kinh". Abandon Hanji they say, Hanji is too difficult and useless they say. :omghaha:
 
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I'm glade you know that this "Fake-this-fake-that theory" is nothing but BS, now could you please tell it to your retarded "fake Kinh" fellow EastSea as well~:omghaha:
You know what I think of such discussions: boring and disgusted. We all can agree on "the world is flat". :yay:
 
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You know what I think of such discussions: boring and disgusted. We all can agree on "the world is flat". :yay:

Unfortunately there is always some idiot start such topic and you have to defend your side from those nonsense of those retarded idiot by getting yourself into such boring and disgusted topic. :china:

Anyway I'm giving you a "quiz", there is a place called Macau (澳門半島) in Macau and there is a place called Hong Kong (香港島) in Hong Kong, are people of Macau in Macau and Hong Kong in Hong Kong "true Hong Kong and Macau people":lol:
 
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There is nothing to do with personal greediness nor Empires. It is all about fact.
French history is a part of European history;
Scottish history is a part of British history;
The Mughal Empire is a part of Indian history;
These are all facts.

Mughals came to India from Uzbekistan for wealth, so it was too based on greed like other Empires. Portuguese ruled Macau for long time but still they have to return it to China. I have talked lot many Portuguese, they still wonder why after centuries of Portuguese rule in Goa, people there still considered themselves as Indians identical to rest of India.
 
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Mughals came to India from Uzbekistan for wealth, so it was too based on greed like other Empires. Portuguese ruled Macau for long time but still they have to return it to China. I have talked lot many Portuguese, they still wonder why after centuries of Portuguese rule in Goa, people there still considered themselves as Indians identical to rest of India.

Every nations' expansion is based on greediness, but it doesn't change the fact that Mughal was an Indian dynasty.

Just like most of Macau and Hong Kong people who never consider themselves as Portuguese or British, bu Chinese.
 
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We define our civilization based on a common Indic culture, Empires are man made based on personal greed of conquering alien territories.

It's very long story. Both òf such native people in Sothern China were no-Han. I can answer you briefly: Nan Yue and Min Yue were independence states in the past around 200 years BC as you know.

Same situation with the Dian tribes, they founded hís independence Dian state, in Chinese 滇王國, from 278 BC to 115 AC.

Dian was founded by a Chinese General from the Chinese state of Chu. The Kings of Minyue claimed descent from the Chinese Xia dynasty Emperors, and Nanyue was founded by the Chinese General Zhao Tuo, who was from northern China, again.

Then again, Vietnam has been ruled by Chinese dynasties like the first Ly dynasty, Tran dynasty, and Ho dynasty, so maybe EastSea wants to compensate for his massive inferiority complex over this by claiming states ruled by Chinese are not Chinese.
 
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That explains why the Chinese posters always act so butthurt.

They have a history of getting b!ttf!cked.
 
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You are idiot.

Han State in Warring States period and Han Dynasty founded by Liu Bang after Qin Dynasty was collapsed is in different name and times. so there were different countries, kid. :p:

Han State was in center and bordering with Qin, Wei and Chu both, there is native land of true Han (ethnic) people, including such ancient land of Xia, Shang, Zhou, where were land of ancestors of Han whose have been lived in ancient time. there is also the area with name of ZhongYuan, Center land of China, HanZhong, Han river...etc.:enjoy:

Yue people were living outside of Warring States border. :dance3:

When Liu bang founded Han Dynasty In North, As a result of the Han Dynasty's prominence, many Chinese began addressing themselves as "people of Han" (漢人).:coffee:

In South China, at first around hundred years, NamYue and MinYue was existed in the same time, people could claimed themselves as Yue.

When Manchus conquered China, people escaped from China to Vietnam, they claimed themselves as Ming People, they are called as MinHuong by Vietnamese.

It's nothing special.:enjoy:

You are idiot.

Dai Viet state was founded in red river delta only, after Tang dynasty collapse is in different name and times.

Dai Viet was in Tonkin, and bordering with Champa,Laos, and China both, there is native land of true Kinh (ethnic) people, including such ancient land of Early ly dynasty, where were land of ancestors of Kinh whose have been lived in ancient time. there is also the area with name of Bắc Kỳ, Annam, Tonkin, Red River...etc.:enjoy:

South Vietnamese people were living outside of Tonkin border. :dance3:

When Le Loi founded Le Dynasty In North, As a result of the Le Dynasty's prominence, many Vietnamese began addressing themselves as "people of Kinh (capital)" (người Kinh 京).:coffee:

In South Vietnam, at first around thousand years, Champa and Khmer was existed in the same time, people could claimed themselves as non-Kinh

It's nothing special.:enjoy:

By the way idiot, there is no such ethnicity as "nanyue". The native inhabitants of Nanyue, were Tai peoples like the Zhuang. The Zhuang are still a recognized ethnicity in China today, like Khmer and Cham in Vietnam. Cantonese people are Han people from the north who moved to Guangdong. Both Han and Tai Zhuang people made up Nanyue, the King (Zhao Tuo) was Han.

If Cantonese are "fake Han", then all southern Vietnamese are Fake Kinh wannabes, since only true Kinh live in north Vietnam around Hanoi.

English and Dutch are both Germanic languages. English is the language of the Anglo Saxons who moved from continental Europe and invaded Britain from the native Celts. Mandarin and Cantonese are both Sinitic (Chinese languages) and unrelated to the native Tai languages like Zhuang.

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What did I see here~ an ignorant Nam Man trying to refute those huge amount of historians, scholars, historical records and authoritative historical data with his single BS mouth~?

No matter how many BS you have spitted, the fact is also be that Cantonese is a Han Chinese dialects, it is a fact that can never be changed by a "history creator"~ :omghaha:

Besides the Hanji of Kinh Duong Vuong is 涇(Kinh)陽王, not 京(Kinh)陽王. It is not even the same freaking "Kinh". Abandon Hanji they say, Hanji is too difficult and useless they say. :omghaha:


"Yue" (Việt) can write or translate in to Han Ji as (越) or (粵).

same situation with word "Kinh" in Vietnamese, people can use the Han Ji character with same sound in speaking for translation in to Chinese.:D.
 
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NanYue, Minyue,and Wuyue are biggest ethnic group belong to Bai Yue, they are no_Han. If Yue people mixed with Han, they are also no Han, they are mixed people.

In linguistically your language Cantonese, there is influenced by Han language because you have to used Han Ji from long time, but in speaking you can not understand each to others if you don't learn Guan Hua. This results in the situation in which a Mandarin and Cantonese text almost look the same, but both are pronounced differently. The two languages have been described as "roughly as similar only as English is to Dutch.":p:

Van lang and Au lac is recorded in our history book and yours from long time. The word "Lac" in "Au Lac" is evaluated from word "Nac" or "nuoc" in Vietnamese, mean "water" or "Country" as we say today "Nuoc Vietnam" mean "Vietnam Country" in English.

Tay, Nung or H'mong people are living in border Vietnam - China, they came from Southern China. They could been happy when we let them chance to live there. They could not been our master, they are guards for us from invasion of Chinese. Nung Chi Cao was the symbol of such relation between Kinh people and other minorities are living in mountain area of North Vietnam. Nung Chi Cao had his rang as royal in Court in Tonkin and married the King's daughter but he had his responsibility to watching about our security.

The Kinh people is native people in our country. The word "Kinh" came from our first Emperor "Kinh Duong Vuong".

from our ancient word "Ke" mean "people". Hanoian say to day "Ke No, Ke Kia" means "this is people, that is people".

Katay (Thai, Muong) people called us with small ton modification as "Keo" people, so that in Han Ji is recorded by Hans in your history book as "Jiao" or "Jiao Ji" people.

You have study more, don't troll nonsense thing here.

You are right, we Hanoian are called as "Kẻ Chợ" in the ancient time. :yahoo:
 
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"Yue" (Việt) can write or translate in to Han Ji as (越) or (粵).

same situation with word "Kinh" in Vietnamese, people can use the Han Ji character with same sound in speaking.

I'm sorry but this is not how you use Hanji.

粵 (Yue) and 越 (Yue) were the same in ancient time. These two Hanji had the same meaning.
越即粵,古代粵越通用
But how could you consider涇 (Kinh) as 京 (Kinh) which are two totally different Hanji with different meanings.
涇 (Kinh) means water flowing from north to south and from high to low.
京 (Kinh) means capital, stronghold or sth similar.

漢 and 韓 share the same pronunciation as well, are they all the same?
 
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