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I'm sorry but this is not how you use Hanji.

粵 (Yue) and 越 (Yue) were the same in ancient time. These two Hanji had the same meaning.
越即粵,古代粵越通用
But how could you consider涇 (Kinh) as 京 (Kinh) which are two totally different Hanji with different meanings.
涇 (Kinh) means water flowing from north to south and from high to low.
京 (Kinh) means capital, stronghold or sth similar.

漢 and 韓 share the same pronunciation as well, are they all the same?

I think in the pást to record our voices in speaking, people didn't cared to much about the meaning of such Han Ji characters, the most importance is to record what people speak in sound and understand what is this because very little people can understand Han Ji, and more, such Han Ji does not have the meaning indicated to something bad.

涇 (Kinh) in Han-Viet Dictionary it mean also: Chứng co giật, chuột rút, etc...it's kind of illness. So people don't choose this character.

漢 and 韓 in Vietnamese are "Hán" and "Hàn" is different with intonation marks, I think EastSea know it, base on his wording Han State and Han Dynasty in English.
 
Just use your brain a bit and read again your own shxt, loser~:close_tema:
[Look again China map in Warring States period, Han State was in center and bordering with Qin, Wei and Chu.]

And what did I just say you illiterate Nam Man Monkey~ :cheesy:
[Once again you have proved that how stupid that you people have abandoned Hanji~:cheesy: That "Han" in the map is , not you stupid Nam Man pig~ They have the same pronunciation but they are totally different things~]

You idiot dare to teach me your freaking own Chinese history after you have made such serious childish mistake and keep repeating your nonsenses in order to try to cover your ignorance, just go kill yourself you useless fool.

Foolish loser keep creating new history~ Xia, Shang and Zhou are never considered as the ONLY ancestors of Han Chinese you fool~ The ancestors of Han Chinese were Huaxia, "Four Ji" and the others. Han ethnicity as a cultural community is a result of cultural integration, it is nothing related to bloodline. (This is what historians and scholars say~ ). Also HanZhong was named from the river Hanjiang (Han River), and Han River was not even called Hanjiang but Mianshui you idiot~ Moreover the Hanjiang (漢江) is even nothing to do with the State of Han (韓) in the Warrior States and the name Han (漢) was nothing but a name of a region only. :-)

So here comes the freaking "True Han Theory", again~
Oh please, my lil Ham Man piggy~ Han you ever seen any historians, scholars, historical records or authoritative historical data that support your amazing theory~ hmm~?
No, you can't find any of them~ because this great theory is only existed in your own stupid brain, your own imagination world~:omghaha:

Besides, the cultures between Xia, Shang and Zhou were highly different~ Let me teach you that, the "true Han" was actually all vanished thousands ago since Shang conquered Xia, there is no such people called Han nowadays~:omghaha:


Fake Kinh and other slaves of evil true Kinh were living outside of Red River Delta.:omghaha:



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Let's see here:
{As a result of the Han Dynasty's prominence, many Chinese began addressing themselves as "people of Han" (漢人)}

This doesn't even mention that many Chinese people addressing themselves as "people of Han" DURING THE HAN DYNASTY :rofl:. The term "Han people" became popular during the Northern and Southern Dynasty you lil stupid piggy~ Before that they mostly called themselves 秦人 :dance3:

[匈奴縛馬前後足,置城下,馳言:秦人,我丏若馬。又漢使者久留不還,故興遣貳師將軍,欲以為使者威重也。]
[穿井築城,治樓以藏谷,與秦人守之。]

Besides, during the Ming Dynasty, many Ming people called themselves 唐人, which means "people of Tang" and Tang Dynasty is another Chinese dynasty which had as many prominence as Han Dynasty~ Even now many Chinese still use this term to introduce themselves~ Does it mean that there is a "Tang Ethnic" you idiot loser~? :cheesy:
[唐人者,諸番呼華人之稱也。凡海外諸國盡然]]
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English people who are posterity of Saxon can indeed claim that their ancestor are Saxons, no big deal~:yay:




Was there even a "Ming ethnicity" you stupid Nam Man~ Get the point already~:omghaha:


Ooo, idiot boy.
Up to now I understand so why some of you were called as NanMan by Han people.

Han State in Warring States period is not Han Dynasty founded by Liu Bang, stupid boy. Han, Wei, Qin and Zhou states founded in area called ZhongYuan in China. The term of center land or ZhongGuo is based on idea that ancient country of Han People is in the middle of China mainland.

Native land of Han Chinese is ZhongYuan, in region dating back to the Xia, Shang, Zhou Dynasties founded primarily in the Yellow River Valley . when "Four Ji" people were considered as barbarian people and lived outside of their land.

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You are hilarious when you said;

"the "true Han" was actually all vanished thousands ago since Shang conquered Xia, there is no such people called Han nowadays~:omghaha:"

In the same way in following your logic:

Han Chinese (or Ming people) was also all vanished hundreds years ago since Manchurian conquered Ming Dynasty.:rofl:
 
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Dian was founded by a Chinese General from the Chinese state of Chu. The Kings of Minyue claimed descent from the Chinese Xia dynasty Emperors, and Nanyue was founded by the Chinese General Zhao Tuo, who was from northern China, again.

Then again, Vietnam has been ruled by Chinese dynasties like the first Ly dynasty, Tran dynasty, and Ho dynasty, so maybe EastSea wants to compensate for his massive inferiority complex over this by claiming states ruled by Chinese are not Chinese.

You misunderstood at all.

It's nothing wrong when Zhao Tuo and descendant of Huaxia founded countries NanYue and MinYue in the past. Washington is Englishman but he declared Independence of USA from UK. He is founder of country named as United States of America today. It's great man.:tup:

For us, Vietnamese we respect the truth of history and we are not racists. What about Ly, Tran and Ho Dynasties ? after 5 and 10 generations, how many bloodline they should been shared with Yue people in China. Making a Mathematical calculation : 100 % :2 = 50 : 2 = 25 : 2 = 12.5 : 2 = 6.25 : 2 = 3.125 %.

3.125 % bloodline after 5 generation for the Tran family members. It's very small, then we say they were Vietnamized. Even, Tran Hung Dao, Commandor of our Army is considered as our Nation hero.:coffee:
 
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You are idiot.

Dai Viet state was founded in red river delta only, after Tang dynasty collapse is in different name and times.

Dai Viet was in Tonkin, and bordering with Champa,Laos, and China both, there is native land of true Kinh (ethnic) people, including such ancient land of Early ly dynasty, where were land of ancestors of Kinh whose have been lived in ancient time. there is also the area with name of Bắc Kỳ, Annam, Tonkin, Red River...etc.:enjoy:

South Vietnamese people were living outside of Tonkin border. :dance3:

When Le Loi founded Le Dynasty In North, As a result of the Le Dynasty's prominence, many Vietnamese began addressing themselves as "people of Kinh (capital)" (người Kinh 京).:coffee:

In South Vietnam, at first around thousand years, Champa and Khmer was existed in the same time, people could claimed themselves as non-Kinh

It's nothing special.:enjoy:

By the way idiot, there is no such ethnicity as "nanyue". The native inhabitants of Nanyue, were Tai peoples like the Zhuang. The Zhuang are still a recognized ethnicity in China today, like Khmer and Cham in Vietnam. Cantonese people are Han people from the north who moved to Guangdong. Both Han and Tai Zhuang people made up Nanyue, the King (Zhao Tuo) was Han.

If Cantonese are "fake Han", then all southern Vietnamese are Fake Kinh wannabes, since only true Kinh live in north Vietnam around Hanoi.

English and Dutch are both Germanic languages. English is the language of the Anglo Saxons who moved from continental Europe and invaded Britain from the native Celts. Mandarin and Cantonese are both Sinitic (Chinese languages) and unrelated to the native Tai languages like Zhuang.

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It's different between China and Vietnam.

Cham and Khmer people are recognized by law that they are Cham and Khmer in their own ethnicity. But Yue peoples in China are not. It's our debate. Southern Vietnamese Kinh people is shared same language and bloodline with North Kinh Vietnamese. We are in one ethnic group.
 
You misunderstood at all.

It's nothing wrong when Zhao Tuo and descendant of Huaxia founded countries NanYue and MinYue in the past. Washington is Englishman but he declared Independence of USA from UK. He is founder of country named as United States of America today. It's great man.:tup:

For us, Vietnamese we respect the truth of history and we are not racists. What about Ly, Tran and Ho Dynasties ? after 5 and 10 generations, how many bloodline they should been shared with Yue people in China. Making a Mathematical calculation : 100 % :2 = 50 : 2 = 25 : 2 = 12.5 : 2 = 6.25 : 2 = 3.125 %.

3.125 % bloodline after 5 generation for the Tran family members. It's very small, then we say they were Vietnamized. Even, Tran Hung Dao, Commandor of our Army is considered as our Nation hero.:coffee:

Stupid math by a viet, what do you know about the king wife ? and the wife of his son after that ?
Is that a viet ? or he tend to married his own ethic ?
No, you only claim , a stupid math not worth split on.
How much Cham and Khmer in vietnam ? why once great kingdom reduce to such a small amount ?
Because you split on your own law, law mean nothing in viet, all property of other ethic that's not viet is target to loot and they own life is to kill in any moment.
Just a small post you show:
_No respect to history, only claim just like your claimed on island, good thing that those land is under China law, and it's China town, the proper action after stupid viet, don't know where their law applied make law to rip lands from China
_Talk about raceist to those claim to murder Hoa people nowaday in vietnam and Khmer :)), you include , lair.
 
I think in the pást to record our voices in speaking, people didn't cared to much about the meaning of such Han Ji characters, the most importance is to record what people speak in sound and understand what is this because very little people can understand Han Ji, and more, such Han Ji does not have the meaning indicated to something bad.

涇 (Kinh) in Han-Viet Dictionary it mean also: Chứng co giật, chuột rút, etc...it's kind of illness. So people don't choose this character.

漢 and 韓 in Vietnamese are "Hán" and "Hàn" is different with intonation marks, I think EastSea know it, base on his wording Han State and Han Dynasty in English.

Your points are not reasonable at all.

People may care more about the pronunciation more than what the Hanji actually is nowadays in Vietnam, since Vietnamese language has already latinized.
However, Hanji was used as official language in the past in Vietnam. How could people back in those days don't care about what the Han Ji characters is. Hanji is never an alphabetic writing system and one single Hanji character can change the whole meaning of an article. It is a serious mistake that using Hanji randomly for every single Hanji user.
People's illiteracy rate was very high in the past, so was in China, Korea and Japan. Therefore "very little people can understand Hanji" is really not a reason/ excuse.
If "Kinh" was really refer to Kinh Duong Vuong, then Kinh ethnicity should be 涇族, not 京族, besides the decision of using the name 京族 was decided before Vietnamese language was latinized. :D Also there is nothing wrong with the beautiful Hanji 涇~

There is only one possibility left:
The Kinh of Kinh people is for "Capital 京", it is to 'distinguish themselves (Kinh) from other ethnic groups (barbarians outside the 京畿 [capital] such as people in Thanh Hoa and Nghe An) in Vietnam'. It's nothing related to that Kinh 涇 Duong Vuong.


He knows it NOW because I just slapped him in his face because of his ignorance.
Just read again what he said~:dance3:

[Look again China map in Warring States period, Han State was in center and bordering with Qin, Wei and Chu.

The Han Dynasty was considered a classical period in Chinese civilization, in that it was able to expand its power and influence over Central, Southeast Asia and Northeast Asia. As a result of the Han Dynasty's prominence, many Chinese began addressing themselves as "people of Han" (漢人), a name that has since been carried down.]
 
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Ooo, idiot boy.
Up to now I understand so why some of you were called as NanMan by Han people.

Ignorant Nanman monkey can't even tell the real meaning of Nanman correctly~

One of the Warrior States, Chu, was called Nanman. Chu kingdom even proudly claimed that they don't belongs to the people of Zhongyuan, they are Nanman~

The most interesting part is, Liu Bang, the one who was the creator of Han Dynasty, was a citizen of Chu. According to your logic, Han dynasty was created by a "Nanman" and Han ethnicity was actually not existed at all~ :woot:

People in the south of China was called NanMan because they are living in the south of China and their cultures are not all the same~ Just like Hong Kong people called people of Guangdong Northerners and people of Guangdong call other provinces' citizens Northerners~ :rofl:

Since we have already united as an single ethnic and country, you are the real NamMan of all Chinese people~ Bow down to us you Nanman pig~:yahoo:

Han State in Warring States period is not Han Dynasty founded by Liu Bang, stupid boy. Han, Wei, Qin and Zhou states founded in area called ZhongYuan in China.

You stupid fork dared teach me back what I taught you, that must be the funniest joke in mankind's history~:rofl:

[Oh my freaking baby Jesus~!!! :woot:
Once again you have proved that how stupid that you people have abandoned Hanji~:cheesy: That "Han" in the map is 韓, not 漢 you stupid Nam Man pig~ They have the same pronunciation but they are totally different things~]


The term of center land or ZhongGuo is based on idea that ancient country of Han People is in the middle of China mainland.

Another nonsense came from Namman pig's imagination land~ :partay:

Native land of Han Chinese is ZhongYuan, in region dating back to the Xia, Shang, Zhou Dynasties founded primarily in the Yellow River Valley . when "Four Ji" people were considered as barbarian people and lived outside of their land.

Here comes EastSea the greatest history creator in the world~

Xia, Shang and Zhou are never considered as the ONLY ancestors of Han Chinese you fool~ The ancestors of Han Chinese were Huaxia, "Four Ji" and the others. Han ethnicity as a cultural community is a result of cultural integration, it is nothing related to bloodline. (This is what historians and scholars say~ ).
You are hilarious when you said;

In the same way in following your logic:

Han Chinese (or Ming people) was also all vanished hundreds years ago since Manchurian conquered Ming Dynasty.:rofl:

Nanman bog thinks the Irony (which is obvious as hell) I made from his own nonsense is hilarious, just prefect~:rofl:

Stupid Nanman bog claimed that there was a single native land of Han people and only Xia, Shang, Zhou Dynasties were Han even through the concept of Han didn't even exist back in those days~ So why don't Nanman piggy act a bit more stupid by claiming only Xia people who had been assimilated by Shang people was the "true Han":laughcry:.

Also of couse Ming people was all "vanished" since they have all became Qing people you freaking idiot~:dance3:
 
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You misunderstood at all.

It's nothing wrong when Zhao Tuo and descendant of Huaxia founded countries NanYue and MinYue in the past. Washington is Englishman but he declared Independence of USA from UK. He is founder of country named as United States of America today. It's great man.:tup:

USA and UK are two freaking independent nations nowadays,
yet NanYue and Han Dynasty were both ancient nations of a single country called China~

Just go kill yourself you stupid fork. :omghaha:
 
It's different between China and Vietnam.

Cham and Khmer people are recognized by law that they are Cham and Khmer in their own ethnicity. But Yue peoples in China are not. It's our debate. Southern Vietnamese Kinh people is shared same language and bloodline with North Kinh Vietnamese. We are in one ethnic group.

Cham and Khmer are considered as two ethnicity in Vietnam just like Tibetan and Hun are are considered as two ethnicity in China you stupid fork~:omghaha:

Should English people consider Saxon as a recognized ethnicity in the UK in this century~ Of course no because English people is already a united ethnicity and they are the posterity of Saxon, Celts and other ethnicity.
Just like Han people is a united ethnicity and they are the posterity of 華夏 鮮卑 契丹 挹婁 夫餘 and others Chinese ethnicity~

No no no Southern Kinh are totally fake Kinh, every Kinh "outside of the capital" are all fake as hell. They were mixed with other ethnicity, they are still "no Kinh", they are "mixed people" (by genious EastSea the history creator):omghaha:.

I know I know you are about to say something like the difference between Southern (fake) Kinh and Northern Kinh is not as obvious as the difference between Southern Han and Northern Han. But of course, The Han community/ ethnicity is much bigger than tiny little racist true Kinh~ We have much more wonderful cultures within Han culture and we share more ancestors than tiny Kinh people do~ They are so small and have lack of various cultures. They don't even know the positives and important value of multiculturalism. how pity, how sad~ Let me cry you a river, to show how sorry I feel to you narrow-minded little racists :undecided::dance3:
 
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It's different between China and Vietnam.

Cham and Khmer people are recognized by law that they are Cham and Khmer in their own ethnicity. But Yue peoples in China are not. It's our debate. Southern Vietnamese Kinh people is shared same language and bloodline with North Kinh Vietnamese. We are in one ethnic group.

Wrong, baboon head.

Baiyue people are recognized by law, the Zhuang people in southern China are descendants of the Baiyue. Zhuang people are recognized as natives and Zhuang in their own ethnicity. The Zhuang are Tai speaking Yue like their ancestors who were the natives of Nanyue. Cantonese people are descended from Han migrants from northern China like Zhao Tuo and his soldiers who married native Tai women like the Zhuang.

Zhuang is a Tai language, like the one their ancestors in Nanyue spoke. Cantonese is a Sinitic language, its from Han migrants moving to southern China, like English is descended from Anglo Saxon language from mainland Europe, and not from the native celtic Briton languages. Anglo Saxon men married the native celtic Briton women and spread their language and culture over England, while some native Celtic Britons like the Welsh remain.

Nanyue is not an ethnic group. It is the name of a country where Han (Cantonese) and Tai people lived together. Before Nanyue, the Tai people in Au Lac ruled over the Kinh's ancestors since Au Lac conquered the Red River Valley.
 
Stupid math by a viet, what do you know about the king wife ? and the wife of his son after that ?
Is that a viet ? or he tend to married his own ethic ?
No, you only claim , a stupid math not worth split on.
How much Cham and Khmer in vietnam ? why once great kingdom reduce to such a small amount ?
Because you split on your own law, law mean nothing in viet, all property of other ethic that's not viet is target to loot and they own life is to kill in any moment.
Just a small post you show:
_No respect to history, only claim just like your claimed on island, good thing that those land is under China law, and it's China town, the proper action after stupid viet, don't know where their law applied make law to rip lands from China
_Talk about raceist to those claim to murder Hoa people nowaday in vietnam and Khmer :)), you include , lair.

The first Tran ancestor from Fujian, he was fisher was rescued from sea and lived in fisher village near to sea, where were only Vietnamese lived.

Cham people is today around 145,000 people, Khmer people is 1.260.640 living in Mekong delta of Vietnam. They have their own ethnicity.

The rest of Cham people turned back to the Islands like Acer Island belong to Indonesia now. There was their failure when they attacked on Vietnam first and liked annex Vietnam to them. When we did it, they went away, it's their fair.

Same as Hua people in China town in Saigon, they didn't liked Communists the they went away with boat to oversea, get rich in US or Canada.. it's best for them. This is their ambitious. No Hua people was killed in Vietnam based on discrimination reason. Think more, what happent to Hua people in riots in Indonesia and Malaysia in the past.

Other you comment is trash made by Sinhua agency.
 
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Ignorant Nanman monkey can't even tell the real meaning of Nanman correctly~

One of the Warrior States, Chu, was called Nanman. Chu kingdom even proudly claimed that they don't belongs to the people of Zhongyuan, they are Nanman~

The most interesting part is, Liu Bang, the one who was the creator of Han Dynasty, was a citizen of Chu. According to your logic, Han dynasty was created by a "Nanman" and Han ethnicity was actually not existed at all~ :woot:

People in the south of China was called NanMan because they are living in the south of China and their cultures are not all the same~ Just like Hong Kong people called people of Guangdong Northerners and people of Guangdong call other provinces' citizens Northerners~ :rofl:

Since we have already united as an single ethnic and country, you are the real NamMan of all Chinese people~ Bow down to us you Nanman pig~:yahoo:



You stupid fork dared teach me back what I taught you, that must be the funniest joke in mankind's history~:rofl:

[Oh my freaking baby Jesus~!!! :woot:
Once again you have proved that how stupid that you people have abandoned Hanji~:cheesy: That "Han" in the map is 韓, not 漢 you stupid Nam Man pig~ They have the same pronunciation but they are totally different things~]




Another nonsense came from Namman pig's imagination land~ :partay:



Here comes EastSea the greatest history creator in the world~

Xia, Shang and Zhou are never considered as the ONLY ancestors of Han Chinese you fool~ The ancestors of Han Chinese were Huaxia, "Four Ji" and the others. Han ethnicity as a cultural community is a result of cultural integration, it is nothing related to bloodline. (This is what historians and scholars say~ ).


Nanman bog thinks the Irony (which is obvious as hell) I made from his own nonsense is hilarious, just prefect~:rofl:

Stupid Nanman bog claimed that there was a single native land of Han people and only Xia, Shang, Zhou Dynasties were Han even through the concept of Han didn't even exist back in those days~ So why don't Nanman piggy act a bit more stupid by claiming only Xia was the "true Han":laughcry:.

Also of couse Ming people was all "vanished" since they have all became Qing people you freaking idiot~:dance3:

You are very stupid when you said:

Xia, Shang and Zhou are never considered as the ONLY ancestors of Han Chinese you fool~ The ancestors of Han Chinese were Huaxia, "Four Ji" and the others. Han ethnicity as a cultural community is a result of cultural integration, it is nothing related to bloodline. (This is what historians and scholars say~ ).

When "Four Ji" is considered as ancestors of Han Chinese, then all people like: Zhuang (16.9 million), Hui (10.5 million), Manchu (10.3 million), Uyghur (10 million), Miao (9.4 million), Yi (8.7 million), Tujia (8.3 million), Tibetan (6.2 million), Mongol (5.9 million), Dong (2.8 million), Buyei (2.8 million), Yao (2.7 million), Bai (1.9 million), Korean (1.8 million), Hani (1.6 million), Li (1.4 million), Kazakh (1.4 million), and Dai(1.2 million). and more...their ancestors were NamMan, DongJi, Beidi, Xinhung are also Han Chinese ?

It's mean Officially recognized ethnic groups in mainland China by CPC is wrong.:yahoo:

I'm right when I said: You fake Han ethnic Chinese, you are NanYue ethnic Chinese.:dance3:
 
You are very stupid when you said:



When "Four Ji" is considered as ancestors of Han Chinese, then all people like: Zhuang (16.9 million), Hui (10.5 million), Manchu (10.3 million), Uyghur (10 million), Miao (9.4 million), Yi (8.7 million), Tujia (8.3 million), Tibetan (6.2 million), Mongol (5.9 million), Dong (2.8 million), Buyei (2.8 million), Yao (2.7 million), Bai (1.9 million), Korean (1.8 million), Hani (1.6 million), Li (1.4 million), Kazakh (1.4 million), and Dai(1.2 million). and more...their ancestors were NamMan, DongJi, Beidi, Xinhung are also Han Chinese ?

It's mean Officially recognized ethnic groups in mainland China by CPC is wrong.:yahoo:

I'm right when I said: You fake Han ethnic Chinese, you are NanYue ethnic Chinese.:dance3:

Another stupid joke made by our glorious history creator Eastsea~ :omghaha:
Who told you the concept of "Four Ji" MUSTincluded every single ethnicity in China and ALL the "Four Ji" were ancetors of Han people you ignorant stupid Namman fake Kinh.:omghaha:
 
Wrong, baboon head.

Baiyue people are recognized by law, the Zhuang people in southern China are descendants of the Baiyue. Zhuang people are recognized as natives and Zhuang in their own ethnicity. The Zhuang are Tai speaking Yue like their ancestors who were the natives of Nanyue. Cantonese people are descended from Han migrants from northern China like Zhao Tuo and his soldiers who married native Tai women like the Zhuang.

Zhuang is a Tai language, like the one their ancestors in Nanyue spoke. Cantonese is a Sinitic language, its from Han migrants moving to southern China, like English is descended from Anglo Saxon language from mainland Europe, and not from the native celtic Briton languages. Anglo Saxon men married the native celtic Briton women and spread their language and culture over England, while some native Celtic Britons like the Welsh remain.

Nanyue is not an ethnic group. It is the name of a country where Han (Cantonese) and Tai people lived together. Before Nanyue, the Tai people in Au Lac ruled over the Kinh's ancestors since Au Lac conquered the Red River Valley.

wrong. brainwashed head.

BaiYue in Han Ji mean hundred Yue, there is general name (or concept) for all the people no-Han including all such ethnic like Thai,Zhoang, Dien ... etc and Yue people like WuYue, NanYue, MinYue. Han people were living first in Yangze river plan,

The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain descended from the Germanic tribes who migrated from continental Europe, not only men, all tribes members so that women included and they could married to Briton people. The term Anglo-Saxon is also used for the language, today is English or more correctly called Old English, that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England. Anglo-Saxons are in original from one Germanic tribe, other Germanic tribes should be now the ancestors of Deutsche people, Austria, ...

Han ethnic people immigrated to NanYue only men, soldiers. Part of Cantonese (NanYue people) their descendants are mixed, but not all Cantonese are mixed. Most of people immigrated from North were Hakka, Guest people. The term "Guest People" talk more about them as new comers. Hakka is Xiongnu in origin.

to compare here, Germanic Tribes are same as BaiYue tribes, Germanic tribes created many Nations or ethnics in Europa, but biggest ethnic group like NanYue, WuYue, MinYue are biggest groups in BaiYue are not recognized as separate ethnic group.
 
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Another stupid joke made by our glorious history creator Eastsea~ :omghaha:
Who told you the concept of "Four Ji" MUSTincluded every single ethnicity in China and ALL the "Four Ji" were ancetors of Han people you ignorant stupid Namman fake Kinh.:omghaha:

He he, thís people 東夷, 北狄, 西戎, 南蠻 are your ancestors, but not for Han ethnic in center land of China. :omghaha:
 
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