China and Vietnam have a shared future and are “comrades and brothers",President Xi Jinping says in Lunar New Year note to fellow communist leader

[beijingwalker]

In Vietnam war, China help less but talk more.

Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the Peoples Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict. This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the heroic struggle against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Ellemans Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences. However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.

China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

and to betrayed Soviet Union, who had liberated Manchururian for China.

That was before PRC and under the condition of China ceding Mongolia and ackownledging its independence.

 

[beijingwalker]

At this time 1972, China welcomed Nixon in Peking.

What's wrong with nomalizing ties with other countries? Soviet Union did the same. Nixon in Moscow

 

[retaxis]

Soviet Union, who had liberated Manchururian for China

and stole chinese lands in central asia and all of mongolia. Didn't do China any real favours tbh, had america defeated Japan by themselves, China would be much larger today

 

[etylo]

What's wrong with nomalizing ties with other countries? Soviet Union did the same. Nixon in Moscow

Vietnamese were upset that China had detente with US, but so too the Soviet had detente with US in the 1970s. They thought everything Chinese foreign policy should be revolved around Vietnam. They also blamed the division of North and South Vietnam by the West and Soviet on China, indeed they blamed everything wrong on China, but they never complained about Soviets. Many of the Vietnamese are ungrateful people to China in any way. Dont forget, China also went to war with the French colonial power few times on behalf of Vietnam in the Qing dynasty when China itself was very weak, backwards and collapsing and was under Eoropean colonial powers attacks. Thats why I would say that Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Mynmar on the south Chinese neighbourhood might be more trustworthy to China eventhough China and Vietnam might have more cultural affinity.

 

[cochine]

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

This ís fake data.
From March 1968, Chinese logicstic troopes ware requested back to China. We do know well about real intention of China to use us to negociation with US.

What's wrong with nomalizing ties with other countries? Soviet Union did the same. Nixon in Moscow

Problem is Soviet Union didnt change help to Vietnam. But China had invaded and occouped Islands of Vietnam.

 

[Dark Sage]

China's treacherous history against their socialist allies had been thoroughly studied. CCP attacked the Soviets not because Soviet warmed up to the US, but because Soviet was going through positive reforms after Stalin and they saw it as a vacancy of leadership, a weakness that could be exploited, an opportunity to "regain" the land east of Baikal, including Outer Mongolia. They want to destroy the beautiful Vladivostok to build a shitty chinese-looking dystopian city. An expansionist dream. They invaded Vietnam because dumb CCP thought they could control us, they really thought Vietnam would "follow" China like a dog on a lease. That's why they call it a self-defense counter-attack. It's a angry kid with broken toys.

China has been a bitch from the ancient times. It was born with nothing but advantages, it commands fealty and submission, and considered itself the lightbringer of Asia, yet it did jackshits for thousands of years, no breakthrough, no nothing. Instead, it was but a burden for the whole continent. Poverty, exploitation, absolute monarchies, Confucian bullshiters and global diseases. This century is China's last straw, and I have no doubt it will repeat the same shit again, but only worse. China will have to burn Asia to the ground to bring "the circle" back to revolving around itself, which is impossible, because there's no way any major power in Asia will ally itself with a treacherous, backward, fake economy, state mafia, human trafficking, no tax accountability, culturally fragmented, hierarchical, totalitarian, expansionist China. Maybe little pinks still have hope, because they sucks at history, but the I certainly don't.

 

[etylo]

China's treacherous history against their socialist allies had been thoroughly studied. CCP attacked the Soviets not because Soviet warmed up to the US, but because Soviet was going through positive reforms after Stalin and they saw it as a vacancy of leadership, a weakness that could be exploited, an opportunity to "regain" the land east of Baikal, including Outer Mongolia. They want to destroy the beautiful Vladivostok to build a shitty chinese-looking dystopian city. An expansionist dream. They invaded Vietnam because dumb CCP thought they could control us, they really thought Vietnam would "follow" China like a dog on a lease. That's why they call it a self-defense counter-attack. It's a angry kid with broken toys.

China has been a bitch from the ancient times. It was born with nothing but advantages, it commands fealty and submission, and considered itself the lightbringer of Asia, yet it did jackshits for thousands of years, no breakthrough, no nothing. Instead, it was but a burden for the whole continent. Poverty, exploitation, absolute monarchies, Confucian bullshiters and global diseases. This century is China's last straw, and I have no doubt it will repeat the same shit again, but only worse. China will have to burn Asia to the ground to bring "the circle" back to revolving around itself, which is impossible, because there's no way any major power in Asia will ally itself with a treacherous, backward, fake economy, state mafia, human trafficking, no tax accountability, culturally fragmented, hierarchical, totalitarian, expansionist China. Maybe little pinks still have hope, because they sucks at history, but the I certainly don't.

Eat your own full of BS on China, China and Soviet relation and China and Asia relation. Idiot, stop spewing BS about China all the time here. Have some diginity and decency not like some beggars, dare you Vietnamese to cut off Chinese influence, Chinese cultural practices and Confucian practices in your country that does nothing but imitate the China you despise so much. Cut off any supply chains and contacts with China, dont just shit talk with your big foul mouth, fool. You Vietnamese want to kiss the butt of Japanese, American and Soviet/Russian, you need not to make all these bullcrap excuses by bashing and slandering Chinese.

 

[IblinI]

This ís fake data.
From March 1968, Chinese logicstic troopes ware requested back to China. We do know well about real intention of China to use us to negociation with US.



Problem is Soviet Union didnt change help to Vietnam. But China had invaded and occouped Islands of Vietnam.

its fine, we already considered those multi billion dollars aids were just given away to barking dog.
but it seems the current relationship between two countries is not decided by you, a nobody.

 

[cochine]

its fine, we already considered those multi billion dollars aids were just given away to barking dog.
but it seems the current relationship between two countries is not decided by you, a nobody.

True dog of Amerrican ís here in photo. Hundred thousant innocent Vietnamese killed in 1979 after the chinese dog visited his master in Washington.

 

[IblinI]

True dog of Amerrican ís here in photo. Hundred thousant innocent Vietnamese killed in 1979 after the chinese dog visited his master in Washington.

Nixon visited China first and met Mao, does it mean they are our dog? your logic is flawed, little viet boy.
anyway, what are you going to do about it when your govt is becoming our puppet again little by little, just like the first thousand years in history.
Don't forget to go out and touch some grass and Happy Chinese new year.

China's treacherous history against their socialist allies had been thoroughly studied. CCP attacked the Soviets not because Soviet warmed up to the US, but because Soviet was going through positive reforms after Stalin and they saw it as a vacancy of leadership, a weakness that could be exploited, an opportunity to "regain" the land east of Baikal, including Outer Mongolia. They want to destroy the beautiful Vladivostok to build a shitty chinese-looking dystopian city. An expansionist dream. They invaded Vietnam because dumb CCP thought they could control us, they really thought Vietnam would "follow" China like a dog on a lease. That's why they call it a self-defense counter-attack. It's a angry kid with broken toys.

China has been a bitch from the ancient times. It was born with nothing but advantages, it commands fealty and submission, and considered itself the lightbringer of Asia, yet it did jackshits for thousands of years, no breakthrough, no nothing. Instead, it was but a burden for the whole continent. Poverty, exploitation, absolute monarchies, Confucian bullshiters and global diseases. This century is China's last straw, and I have no doubt it will repeat the same shit again, but only worse. China will have to burn Asia to the ground to bring "the circle" back to revolving around itself, which is impossible, because there's no way any major power in Asia will ally itself with a treacherous, backward, fake economy, state mafia, human trafficking, no tax accountability, culturally fragmented, hierarchical, totalitarian, expansionist China. Maybe little pinks still have hope, because they sucks at history, but the I certainly don't.

and wtf are you? lol...

 

[etylo]

Nixon visited China first and met Mao, does it mean they are our dog? your logic is flawed, little viet boy.
anyway, what are you going to do about it when your govt is becoming our puppet again little by little, just like the first thousand years in history.
Don't forget to go out and touch some grass and Happy Chinese new year.


and wtf are you? lol...

Maybe a false flag Viet, his hatred for things China and Chinese are beyond comprehension.

 

[IblinI]

Maybe a false flag Viet, his hatred for things China and Chinese are beyond comprehension.

he appeared in almost all viet china related thread and leaves his shit.

 

[mike2000 is back]

For years I consistently opposed Xi's 3rd term and I believe the government policy on covid is a failure and I posted anti Xi protest videos here, do you think maybe you can talke to your CIA boss and put me on your pay roll too? but I m not a white wannabe like you, sorry for that.

Yeah, i agree. seems you were the only chinese member here who was against Xi Jinping being president for a third (and maybe 4th,5th who knows ) term. Most Chinese members were supporting this move( either genuinely or just because they dont want to look silly be being against their leader on a foreign forum) by saying Xi Jinping needs more terms to "carry on the policies he started". Lool Funny enough they dont seem to realise that if other Chinese leaders before him acted that way, then Jiang Zemin will still be in power until his passing recently. Lol So Hu Jintao, Xi Jinping himself would probably never have had the chance to be president today. Lol
I do believe that Xi Jinping will remain in power for a very long time, probably until hes so old that he can't function physically anymore. He will remain in power for as long as Putin. Since he already has the party under total control with nobody even posing a slight challenge or contender to his power and has now lifted all term limits to indefinite. Will be interesting to see how long he will remain/stick to power. Since one thing I know about power is that once you have tasted it you become addicted to it and want more. Very very few people will voluntarily give up power out of their own free will and I definitely don't believe Xi Jinping is one if those. Lol

 

[cochine]

Nixon visited China first and met Mao, does it mean they are our dog? your logic is flawed, little viet boy.
anyway, what are you going to do about it when your govt is becoming our puppet again little by little, just like the first thousand years in history.
Don't forget to go out and touch some grass and Happy Chinese new year.

What Mao said in the past, my kid ? don't forget that he has barking before Chinese people that: "US imperialist is paper tiger", but at the end of his life he has welcomed Nixon in Peking in 1972 like his master.

and don't forget that Chinese were slaves of Monolian, Manchurian and Japanese. Better for China is that, let be the ordenary country ... is better than further dream to be the idiot master.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yeah, i agree. seems you were the only chinese member here who was against Xi Jinping being president for a third (and maybe 4th,5th who knows ) term. Most Chinese members were supporting this move( either genuinely or just because they dont want to look silly be being against their leader on a foreign forum) by saying Xi Jinping needs more terms to "carry on the policies he started". Lool Funny enough they dont seem to realise that if other Chinese leaders before him acted that way, then Jiang Zemin will still be in power until his passing recently. Lol So Hu Jintao, Xi Jinping himself would probably never have had the chance to be president today. Lol
I do believe that Xi Jinping will remain in power for a very long time, probably until hes so old that he can't function physically anymore. He will remain in power for as long as Putin. Since he already has the party under total control with nobody even posing a slight challenge or contender to his power and has now lifted all term limits to indefinite. Will be interesting to see how long he will remain/stick to power. Since one thing I know about power is that once you have tasted it you become addicted to it and want more. Very very few people will voluntarily give up power out of their own free will and I definitely don't believe Xi Jinping is one if those. Lol

The latest covid outbreak is a big blow to his political career and different voice now is all over the Chinese social media, his power is by no means secured, Chinese politics can never be judged just by what's on the surface, strong under current very often decides the future.