CHIEF DON'Ts : Talat Hussain

[DJ_Viper]

I think you're confusing them with Nawaz sharif daughter's media cell army doesn't need to do this kind of BS otherwise you wouldn't be reading this article.

You know, you are not the first one to bring this "media cell". You'll tell me that this tiny media cell that I can't find any proof of, on the internet on its existence, actually exists? And its more powerful than your ISI to freely do whatever the eff it wants to? Common man, you got brains. How about we start having a discussion the way adult people talk. I used to think Santa Clause was real. Well, it turned out it was fake, just like this "media cell". Using third party names to deflect the discussion elsewhere shows me your insecurity. Let's stay on the topic if we can?

For the record, I am asking questions based on the history of Pakistan I've studied for a few years now, and using some common sense that tells me to question certain things as they don't look normal, like my reference to over glorification of your military, despite the great work it does. No military is that actively involve in portraying "our general is he next best thing since Jesus".

Oh yes a lot of them were corrupt but isn't it surprising that Pakistan's richest people are NS and Zardari? and after them their relatives or friends not many generals in there...
and you don't know what media campaign is in Pakistan and how NS or other political party's use media houses and even down to anchors like propaganda tools not only against each other but also against army this article here is just 1 example of that you're an american so obviously you would don't know anything about our media and how they work.

You know Mr. Mashraf's net worth in the US? It was reported here a few weeks ago. A Public servant has over $ 300 million dollars . That would be over 3 billion rupees in Pakistan. I used the yahoo currency calculator to convert dollars to Pakistani rupee. And I am not here to take sides, you keep bringing others in. I don't care about anyone, I wanted to know why is the over glorification and media based brain washing being done for so many decades? What's the purpose or strategy? If you think others have done corruption, why haven't they been arrested? They were kicked out of the power multiple times by the military so you'll tell me the powerful ISI couldn't find proofs to ban them permanently, or declared them corrupt in public courts? You see, right here, there is a gap. If the military, despite having all abilities couldn't stop these guys from coming back, there are two reasons, 1: the military is just as corrupt and these people paid to the military to come back (Gen. Masharaf's 3 billion, Gen. Kiyani's 6 billion ), or, there wasn't a proof and its just b.s. being spread (which I doubt). So at the end of the day, it sounds like everyone's naked in the showers

Help me understand logic vs. writing logic-less statements. I am looking forward to your response. Thanks

 

[CHACHA"G"]

What u call this, Just look at this , They not only defame Army , but PM house and look how they Badly use Bhagwan ( Hindu Name For God) , Its like blasphemy in many aspects .
And add more in it , Hajj Kay Thakay Darr ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seriously , what crape is this .

@WAJsal , @The Sandman , @Zibago , @django , @Emmie , @Zarvan , @Moonlight , @Farah Sohail , @Spring Onion , @shah1398 , @Arsalan

 

[jha]

Supposedly neutral strategic affairs analyst : Ejaz Haider raising similar points ( in more subtle words though )..

http://newsweekpakistan.com/reducing-the-swagger-and-expectations/

The describes Sharif, not so much because he was wrong about going into North Waziristan or cracking down on terror cells. That was required; that had long being delayed. But his illusion was about what he could achieve and to employ very smart public relations to signal far and wide that he was the man not just of a moment but of an episode, a legacy.

This is where the ISPR came in. Back in Sept. 2015, I wrote about the Army and Sharif’s new playbook under the caption, A Strategy for a Legacy: “…the man behind this [strategy] is the current No. 1, Raheel Sharif. The strategy is his. The brilliant execution of this strategy is by the operational commander of ISPR, Maj. Gen. Asim Bajwa.” Bajwa since then has become a lieutenant general, the first time that ISPR has been headed by a 3-star officer, catapulting PR to a higher slot than even the military operations directorate which (unlike India) is headed by a major general.

It’s an old story about the umpire’s finger going up, posters on the wall, social media abuzz with Sharif’s hagiographies and #ThankYouRaheelSharif trending on Twitter. It was all ‘mysterious.’ There was nary a word from the ISPR. If anything, as I wrote in that article, the ISPR loved it. Sharif had grown bigger than the institution itself. Even the mainstream media, especially TV channels, lapped up everything the ISPR dished them. Sharif’s every move was breaking news. Perish the thought that what he did was part of his professional remit. I noticed with a mix of bemusement and consternation that every time I pointed this out on Twitter or TV, I’d be trolled by mysterious bot accounts.

This legacy the new chief will have to undo. As he prepares to grapple with internal and external challenges, and there are many, he will have to temper the expectations with realism. The Army can only do this much and no more. It operates in a context and while it tries to change the context for the better, the context puts its own constraints on even the best and the most well-intentioned.

 

[Samlee]

Pakistan own presstitudes at it again. Can clearly see between the lines as to who paid him to write this trash.

Some Months Ago Talat Husain Wrote A Completely BS Article Saying Raheel Sharif Would Seek Extension And Would Not Retire.Now That His "Tajzia" Has Been Proiven Wrong He Is Now Making Personal Attacks

I Tried Commenting on Disqus At The Bottom Of This Article But My Comment Was Not Published Goes To Show How Much The News and Geo Believe In Freedom of Speech Hypocrites


BTW Watch Today's Reporters On ARY News.They Have Exposed The Real Reasons Behind Talat Husains Article

Supposedly neutral strategic affairs analyst : Ejaz Haider raising similar points ( in more subtle words though )..

http://newsweekpakistan.com/reducing-the-swagger-and-expectations/

The describes Sharif, not so much because he was wrong about going into North Waziristan or cracking down on terror cells. That was required; that had long being delayed. But his illusion was about what he could achieve and to employ very smart public relations to signal far and wide that he was the man not just of a moment but of an episode, a legacy.

This is where the ISPR came in. Back in Sept. 2015, I wrote about the Army and Sharif’s new playbook under the caption, A Strategy for a Legacy: “…the man behind this [strategy] is the current No. 1, Raheel Sharif. The strategy is his. The brilliant execution of this strategy is by the operational commander of ISPR, Maj. Gen. Asim Bajwa.” Bajwa since then has become a lieutenant general, the first time that ISPR has been headed by a 3-star officer, catapulting PR to a higher slot than even the military operations directorate which (unlike India) is headed by a major general.

It’s an old story about the umpire’s finger going up, posters on the wall, social media abuzz with Sharif’s hagiographies and #ThankYouRaheelSharif trending on Twitter. It was all ‘mysterious.’ There was nary a word from the ISPR. If anything, as I wrote in that article, the ISPR loved it. Sharif had grown bigger than the institution itself. Even the mainstream media, especially TV channels, lapped up everything the ISPR dished them. Sharif’s every move was breaking news. Perish the thought that what he did was part of his professional remit. I noticed with a mix of bemusement and consternation that every time I pointed this out on Twitter or TV, I’d be trolled by mysterious bot accounts.

This legacy the new chief will have to undo. As he prepares to grapple with internal and external challenges, and there are many, he will have to temper the expectations with realism. The Army can only do this much and no more. It operates in a context and while it tries to change the context for the better, the context puts its own constraints on even the best and the most well-intentioned.

Ejaz Haider Is The Equivalent Of What You Indians Call Sickulars and Presstitutes.He Works For A Channel That Is Closely Associated With Zardari And His Knowledge Of International Relations and Strategic Affairs Is Second Rate.

BTW You Indians Have A Strange Criteria Of Neutral There Was A Time When You Considered Najam Sethi Neutral

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Some Months Ago Talat Husain Wrote A Completely BS Article Saying Raheel Sharif Would Seek Extension And Would Not Retire.Now That His "Tajzia" Has Been Proiven Wrong He Is Now Making Personal Attacks

I Tried Commenting on Disqus At The Bottom Of This Article But My Comment Was Not Published Goes To Show How Much The News and Geo Believe In Freedom of Speech Hypocrites


BTW Watch Today's Reporters On ARY News.They Have Exposed The Real Reasons Behind Talat Husains Article

I only watch ARY analysis and Dr Shahid Masood. The rest are just presstitudes, mouth full with black money pumped by the Nawaz.

 

[Silverblaze]

General Raheel did do quite a bit, but didn't finish the job. The latest Dawn issue is a major issue that should have been resolved within few weeks. He should have been more tough on india.

General Tariq Khan also made a similar point.

From 31.38

 

[The Sandman]

You know, you are not the first one to bring this "media cell". You'll tell me that this tiny media cell that I can't find any proof of, on the internet on its existence, actually exists? And its more powerful than your ISI to freely do whatever the eff it wants to? Common man, you got brains. How about we start having a discussion the way adult people talk. I used to think Santa Clause was real. Well, it turned out it was fake, just like this "media cell". Using third party names to deflect the discussion elsewhere shows me your insecurity. Let's stay on the topic if we can?

You're an outsider so i won't blame you if you're clueless about my country it's not your fault because after all you get know about Pakistan is through 3 English newspapers that's all you don't wanna believe it fine don't believe it. But this media cell do exist and what it does is do propaganda for PMLN (i hope you know what is PMLN?) on "tax payers" money. We can't have a serious discussion because you're clueless about my country.

For the record, I am asking questions based on the history of Pakistan I've studied for a few years now, and using some common sense that tells me to question certain things as they don't look normal, like my reference to over glorification of your military, despite the great work it does. No military is that actively involve in portraying "our general is he next best thing since Jesus".

I've given you tons of reasons why people love military and praise them and you in return are just going round&round and not answering now i will write it in bold so you can see it and answer it if you've any answer to it.
"What so far civilian GOV's in Pakistan has done to receive the same amount of love and praise that military gets which institutions have been made stronger and independent by civilians"? i hope you will be able to read it now.
Oh and if you don't have a proper to the point answer than don't even bother replying back.
@Zibago @Mentee

 

[mr.robot]

You know, you are not the first one to bring this "media cell". You'll tell me that this tiny media cell that I can't find any proof of, on the internet on its existence, actually exists? And its more powerful than your ISI to freely do whatever the eff it wants to? Common man, you got brains. How about we start having a discussion the way adult people talk. I used to think Santa Clause was real. Well, it turned out it was fake, just like this "media cell". Using third party names to deflect the discussion elsewhere shows me your insecurity. Let's stay on the topic if we can?

Instead of , a simple google search with keywords "PMLN media cell" would give you this.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1216966

http://nation.com.pk/islamabad/02-Jul-2015/maryam-led-pml-n-social-media-cell-active-on-all-fronts

https://www.geo.tv/latest/119845-Managing-the-media

 

[Zibago]

Instead of , a simple google search with keywords "PMLN media cell" would give you this.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1216966

http://nation.com.pk/islamabad/02-Jul-2015/maryam-led-pml-n-social-media-cell-active-on-all-fronts

https://www.geo.tv/latest/119845-Managing-the-media

Instead of , a simple google search with keywords "PMLN media cell" would give you this.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1216966

http://nation.com.pk/islamabad/02-Jul-2015/maryam-led-pml-n-social-media-cell-active-on-all-fronts

https://www.geo.tv/latest/119845-Managing-the-media

 

[Kaniska]

Thank you sir. I appreciate a courteous response and a discussion. This is just one newspaper local to Pakistan and we all know how easy it is to get anything published in the Pakistani media.

I was requesting for something more credible, such an an economic plan, projects that the WB or the ADB were supporting and his vision on the CPEC as many here claim he was the father of it. When the reality is, in his time, a failed port operation was assigned to the Chinese, who thought this could be a good refueling port for their naval ops in the future. Until a few years ago. Just trying to see if the gentlemen making these claims has substance to it. Thanks



When you say "under what circumstances" an Army needs to provide security. Well, whenever the civil government needs help. That is the most basic answer per like 99% world constitutions who lean towards democratic. Your constitution isn't any different. Unless you can show me how it provides a separate governing body to be called the "military of Pakistan".

Sir, if you aren't 18 yet and can't engage in a proper discussion, you don't have to respond to me. Writing these conspiracy theories without knowing me or trying to insult me doesn't change the questions I asked. So I'll go back to my questions.




Sir, I know plenty. In fact, the US praised Mr. Sharif today before his retirement. We know he's done an amazing job for his country. But that amazing job is why he was in this role to begin with. The role doesn't and didn't come with so much marketing focus. It doesn't require people to insinuate you or indirectly tell others "they heard it from the Chiefs office" or "were briefed on it" like the article suggests.

So my question is, whatever the military has done for Pakistan, it is for the Pakistani people, their nation. Why does it feel like they did a "favor" to their nation instead of their job? Why the near worship mania over a professional organizations who did their jobs? They were hired for this role so they were expected to excel. The Pakistani tax payers pay a huge penny for the military...

Surprisingly for me, I will allign with the thoughts of many Pakistan posters here. If you see recent history of 15 years, Pakistan military rulers are successful in bringing some tangible economic benifit on ground than the civillian leaderships. The classic example is Musharaf. Although Musharaf is presented differently by different people, but i feel he had the courage to take drastic descisons and brought some kind of economic prosperity to Pakistan.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Surprisingly for me, I will allign with the thoughts of many Pakistan posters here. If you see recent history of 15 years, Pakistan military rulers are successful in bringing some tangible economic benifit on ground than the civillian leaderships. The classic example is Musharaf. Although Musharaf is presented differently by different people, but i feel he had the courage to take drastic descisons and brought some kind of economic prosperity to Pakistan.

Sir, everyone's allowed to have an opinion. I don't side with anyone, nor is that my purpose. But the story is that Mr. Masharaf only brought economic prosperity to his bank account sir. I've heard his stories in the US and let it stay here. $ 10 billion could've done wonders outside of running a transportation network for NATO supplies which then created a false economy running based on NATO. That had started to crash before Mr. Masharaf left.

The entire globe is coming to Pakistan now, a blind has to ignore that. The same Brits that were signing the song with the globe "Pakistan is a failed state" have visited Pakistan twice kissing rear for economic partnership and investments into the CPEC. Thanks