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ORANGZEIB. talking about being REALITY CHECK

YOU CLAIMED EARLIER

So, 5-8 or 10 years from now, Pakistan may be able to get EFT also. In fact, if they can grow their economy to 800 billion or 1 trillion in next 5 years (can happen if loyal people work

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...role-fighter-air-craft-447.html#ixzz2UOkUIOYE

Do you know wat this means ..... IT MEANS YOU THINK BY SOME MIRACLE PAK GDP will grow by 50% per year

for THE RECORD it growng at 3%

Before you tell people to realistic YOU TOO need to calm down WITH some fantasy STUFF
 
Orangzeib

THE BEST BET FOR PAF going forward IS TO MAKE relations better WIT USA pre OBL raid. And wot

WIN OVER the USA

and get grant aided F16 block 52s

BETTER THAN J10
Way better then JF17
And far easier i induct since you have 63 F16s already since 1990

Typhoon @ $100M EACH no chance and serious waster of VERY LIMITED resources.

EVEN INDIA is having second thoughts re RAFALE and they have MASSIVE RESOURCES relative to PAF
 
Saudi is as much partner in Typhoon as India is with MKI or PAKFA.

Exactly, both are only export customers and just added some addional features, India canards, a different radar and TVC to MKI (btw we don't buy Pak Fa), the Saudis integrate some new weapons to EF now. Just like Pakistan remains an export customer of J10, even if some Pakistani avionics, Raad, or MAR 1 will be integrated and not a partner like in JF17.
 
Guys, sorry if I'm running late but it's the first time I've come across an image of an armed FC-20



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Guys, sorry if I'm running late but it's the first time I've come across an image of an armed FC-20



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Oh dayem!

Two IR missiles, one each on either side internal bays and 4 missiles in the main internal bay. Look like standoff/cruise missiles like C802/803 etc. That's some serious internal bay firepower!!!
 
Orangzeib

THE BEST BET FOR PAF going forward IS TO MAKE relations better WIT USA pre OBL raid. And wot

WIN OVER the USA

and get grant aided F16 block 52s

BETTER THAN J10
Way better then JF17
And far easier i induct since you have 63 F16s already since 1990

Typhoon @ $100M EACH no chance and serious waster of VERY LIMITED resources.

EVEN INDIA is having second thoughts re RAFALE and they have MASSIVE RESOURCES relative to PAF

I don't think so, even with improved relations, Pakistan needs a sanction-proof air-force, it's not going to get that with the US.

As much as I like the Americans and their tech, I don't trust them enough to not put Pakistan on their sanctions list.
 
LOL, only because you post your believes/wishes above facts and the reality, which is why most of your post have no value. Even Chinese reports said, that J10 faired very well against Chinese Flankers in dogfights, which is not surprising, since the delta canard design offers advantages. And J11 has inferior radar, no canards or TVC, to make it at least equal to the current MKIs.

How on earth could you possibly know that?
 
J-10/10A Vigorous Dragon

A PLAAF J-10A was photographed while carrying training rounds of PL-8 and PL-12 AAMs. J-10 (K/JJ10?) is a multi-functional single-engine fighter being developed by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) and 611 Institute. It has been selected by PLAAF as the next generation fighter to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft. The aircraft appears to have an Su-27 style nose and rectangular air intake, an AL-31F type engine, twin nose wheels, and a distinct low-visibility camouflage color scheme. The aircraft also has a large vertical tail plus twin F-16 style ventral stabilizers believed to provide greater stability at high AoA. Its fuselage looks considerably longer compared to Israeli Lavi. Unlike J-7E with double-delta wings, it appears to have a pair of inverted gull wings (i.e. the inner upper portion extends slightly downward, while the outer portion extends flat). The J-10 project was conceived in the 1984 based on the experience (tailless delta wing and canard foreplanes) with J-9 which was cancelled in 1980 in favor of the less risky J-7C/MIG-21MF project. An early model of J-10 revealed a Mirage 2000 style intake with a center shock cone for better high speed performance and a Lavi style tail section, suggesting a possible connection with the cancelled Israeli fighter (however this was firmly denied by both parties). The change indicates that J-10 has gone through at least one major redesign in its 18-year development period from the initial conventional layout as an air-superiority fighter to the latest semi-stealthy design as a multi-role fighter. This change may reflect a shift of its potential adversaries from former Soviet Mig-29/Su-27 to current American F-15/16/18 after end of the Cold War. The new design is certainly fitted with advanced avionics including a "glass cockpit" (1 wide-angle HUD + 2 monochrome MFD + 1 color MFD), HMS, HOTAS, GPS/INS, air data computer, ARW9101A RWR, Type 634 digital quadruplex FBW, digital fuel management system, mission management system, ARINC429 databus, and a detachable IFR probe. A new PD fire-control radar (Type 1473, search >120km, track 4-6, engage 2 simultaneously) is also fitted, which was based on Israeli EL/M 2035 radar for its cancelled Lavi fighter. A variety of newly developed air-to-air (e.g. PL-8 short-range IR guided AAM and PL-12 medium-range active radar guided AAM) and air-to-surface weapons can be carried under 11 hardpoints including KD-88 TV guided ASMs, LS-500J LGBs and K/JDC01 FLIR/laser designator pod. A new twin-rail missile launch pylon was developed to increase the total number of PL-12 MRAAMs it can carry from 2 to 4. Although it was believed to be powered initially by a 27,560lb/12,500kg thrust AL-31FN turbofan, a modified AL-31F which powers Su-27/J-11, Russia reportedly had denied China the license to produce the engine locally. As the result, an indigenous engine (WS-10) will be fitted later on its improved version (J-10B, see below). Some western military analysts believed that J-10 could pose a serious challenge to F/A-18C in terms of maneuverability. Some specifications of J-10 are (estimated): length 16.4m, height 5.4m, wingspan 9.8m, normal TO weight 12,400kg, max TO weight 18,600kg, internal fuel 4,500kg, max external load 6,600kg, g load +9/-3, max speed Mach 2.0 (high altitude)/Mach 1.2 (1,450km/h @ sea level), TO distance 400m, combat radius 1,100km, static ceiling 18,000m, ferry range 3,200km. The development of J-10 has not been smooth. A full-scale mock-up was built in 1991. The first prototype was set to fly in 1996, powered by a newly developed WS-10 turbofan based on the CFM56 engine core technology. However the development of this indigenous engine suffered serious difficulties and thus the rear fuselage and engine intake were forced to be redesigned in order to accommodate an alternative AL-31FN engine imported from Russia. After a 15-month delay, the first prototype (01/1001) was rolled out in June 1997. It made its maiden flight on March 23, 1998, two years behind the schedule. 6 prototypes (serial numbers 1002-1009) were built undergoing various static and flight tests at CAC in Chengdu and at the CFTE in Yanliang. Subsequently 3 more prototypes were built (1013-1016) as the project was moving into the pre-production phase while PLAAF remained fully committed. The flight test of J-10 was completed by the end of 2003 and the serial production started earlier that year. Approximately two are being produced each month, depending on the supply of AL-31FN engine from Russia. A total of 300 have been planned. The first J-10 in production standard flew on June 28, 2002. The initial batches of 50 (54 AL-31FNs were imported between 2002 and 2004) have been produced by CAC, wearing a new gray/light blue paint scheme. Currently the production continues at a rate of 2-4 per month. The first 9 (?) were delivered to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base for evaluation starting from February 2003. After some delay due the problems of fire-control system, J-10 was finally certified by the end of 2003. The first J-10 regiment was established in 2004 in the PLAAF 44th Division stationed in Yunnan Province facing India. Around 100 may have been produced by 2006 (01-03 batch, S/N 50x5x, 10x4x, 10x3x, 10x2x, 20x0x). J-10 was officially declassified on December 29, 2006. Some improvements have been made during the production, including a WL-9 radio compass antenna dish behind the canopy. A tandem-seat trainer version (J-10S) has been developed too (see below). Further improved variants including J-10A (improved glass cockpit and fire control system able to fire 4 PL-12 AAMs) and J-10B (JF-17 style cockpit, IRST/LR, AESA radar, DSI engine intake, RAM coating) have been developed. Currently J-10A is in service with PLAAF (04 batch, S/N 50x5x, 30x5x, 20x6x, 78x1x). The August 1 Aerobatic Demonstration Team also flies J-10AY (05 batch) to replace the old J-7GB. Recent images confirmed that PLAN is receiving its first batch of J-10As (06 batch, dubbed J-10AH, S/N 83x4x) which have been deployed at the eastern China coast facing Japan. They could be modified to carry YJ-83K AShMs in the future. Currently more J-10As (07 batch) are being produced for both the existing as well as new J-10 units.

- Last Updated 5/25/13


J-10S Vigorous Dragon

A PLAAF J-10S (K/JJ10S/JJ-10?) advanced trainer was taking off (S: tandem). This version features a stretched forward fuselage and a bubble canopy which can be opened as a single piece. An excellent 360° outside view in the rear cockpit is clearly shown in the photo. Its dorsal spine appears to have been enlarged to accommodate electronics displaced by the rear cockpit. In addition to being a trainer for J-10 pilots, J-10S could also be converted into an attack aircraft or EW/Wild Weasel anti-radiation aircraft, where it might carry Blue Sky low altitude navigation pod (similar to American LANTIRN pod), laser designation pod, as well as LS-500J LGBs and KD-88 ASMs. First Flight of 01 prototype took place on December 26, 2003. Two prototypes (01/1021 & 03/1023) were built undergoing various flight tests. J-10S passed the state certification in late 2005 and has entered service with PLAAF (S/N 10x4x, 50x5x, 10x3x, 20x0x, 20x6x, 30x5x, 78x1x). In addition, the August 1 Aerobatic Demonstration Team has been flying J-10SY since mid-2010. In late 2010 the first batch of J-10Ss are entering the service with PLAN (dubbed J-10SH? S/N 83x4x) along with J-10As.

- Last Updated 3/20/13


J-10B Vigorous Dragon

The latest 1035 prototype of the J-10B (K/JJ10B?) was photographed at CAC airfield in July 2011, revealing the indigenous WS-10B (?) turbofan engine. This much improved variant made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine (1031 prototype). The improvements include a DSI/bump engine inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a J-11B style IRST/LR and a wide-angle holographic HUD. IRST allows passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B more stealthy in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, housing fire-control radar which could be an X-band AESA developed by the 14th Institute (track 10, engage 4 simultaneously), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. There were also rumors that a PESA radar developed by the 607 Institute could be installed but this has not been confirmed. An ECM antenna can also be seen right in front of the canard foreplane on 1035. Two large pods housing testing equipments were attached under the wings. The tip of vertical tailfin was redesigned as well, featuring a large fairing containing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS. The aircraft may be fitted with CFTs in the future to further extend its range. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system, ranging from radar to EW system. Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the twin-rail launch pylon) can be carried. For CAS mission, normally 2 KD-88 AGMs or LS-500J LGBs can be carried. In addition, the aircraft is expected to be powered eventually by a WS-10B turbofan. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype (1033) first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes have been tested at CFTE. J-10B is likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. The production of J-10B has been postponed, due to the production quality issues of WS-10B. However it was speculated that the first batch of production J-10Bs would be powered by Russian AL-31FN engine and could enter the service with PLAAF 44th Division in late 2013. The latest images (March 2013) indicated that the 1031 prototype has been modified with ECM antennas installed ahead of the canard foreplanes similar to those onboard 1035, which represents the final configuration before the production. A further upgraded semi-stealth variant with CFT (J-10C?) was rumored to be under development but no information is available.

- Last Updated 4/16/13
 
That is not KG300 but optical tracking pod. Kind of lantirn. Just take the words "F14 and lantirn" (first gen lantirn!) and you will get...


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or even on F15

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Orangzeib

THE BEST BET FOR PAF going forward IS TO MAKE relations better WIT USA pre OBL raid. And wot WIN OVER the USA and get grant aided F16 block 52s
BETTER THAN J10 Way better then JF17
And far easier i induct since you have 63 F16s already since 1990
Typhoon @ $100M EACH no chance and serious waster of VERY LIMITED resources.
EVEN INDIA is having second thoughts re RAFALE and they have MASSIVE RESOURCES relative to PAF

I've been saying this on many posts, Pakistan should get its relationships in order with the US and actually take advantage of what the US can do, off shoring to Pakistan, IT jobs, call centers, textile, Acrylic, Medical tech....all this was on the list to do between India and Pakistan. In fact, in 1998, Goldman Sach's and the investment gang had put Pakistan in the top 20 economies in the world with about 180-200 million people (well over half the population of the US in a much congested area and thus, better market to supply goods in a smaller place). But the nuclear blasts in 1998 resulted in sanctions. So now, the democratic Pakistan should expand its relations with the US and get investments flowing in (which many American institutes are ready for actually).
I don't see Pakistan too interested in aid 5 years from the first real democratic government completing its terms. If they did their work, Pakistani economy should grow to about 24-33% in the last three years of this government. That's actually not that bad of a target knowing the population and the potential and the MASSIVE need for the infrastructure and reforms. At that time, the F-16's old news. The Pakistanis can actually pay for even F-15's or F-18's if they wanted to, if their economy increases by a 100 billion, spending 5 billion out of that is peanuts. But that can buy a expensive jets in decent quantity that'll last for the next 30 years.
Oh and I am in favor of Pakistan getting J-11's with J-16's avionics. Skip J-10, go for heavy duty stuff in a few years when the economy takes off. It's not an IF anymore....its now just when. 100 J-11 with J-16's avionics (latest Russian tech) with J-31 50 (10 per squadron spread across 5 locations for special ops) and F-16 Block 60 or something else in some numbers is sufficient enough. JFT will stay a proven platform specially in block III. It can later be converted into a stealth design wit a new airframe, sort of mini J-31 and in numbers, this when the economy is going high and a few billions are available setting up additional factories, tot, etc. So in the next 5-7 years, I see a whole different PAF flying a few new things (granted if the economy works).
 
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