Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Viper0011.]

ORANGZEIB. talking about being REALITY CHECK

YOU CLAIMED EARLIER
Do you know wat this means ..... IT MEANS YOU THINK BY SOME MIRACLE PAK GDP will grow by 50% per year
for THE RECORD it growng at 3%
Before you tell people to realistic YOU TOO need to calm down WITH some fantasy STUFF

In Musharraff's time, when Pakistan was taking a hit of billions internally.....the economy was doing 8-9% growth while the country was in the state of war and with tensions on both borders at times. It dropped to 3% later due to electric related issue and the lack of power, gas, etc.
But now the democratic government is in place. They have the relations to bring about 100 billion USD investment within the next 24 months. Plus the American economic houses have been wanting to target Pakistan since 1998 for investments. Security, political stability, less religious intolerance, less of taliban's crap and more education, these economic houses will pour additional few hundred billions. Knowing the need for infrastructure, the economy can EASILY go 8-11% growth with some decent effort. Now if they get to this in the third year of their 5 year term, in the last three years, the economy can grow from 24 - 33% in my opinion.......if they have 100 billion in Forex....spending 5 billion to jet about 50-100 advance jets isn't that big of a deal. You can't compare it to India and China as their economies have grown to a point and they had local economies from before so the pace is somewhat slow. BUT, in Pakistan's case, its economy is really about to be settled at the base level for the first time. The economy you know, had always been depressed and suppressed with issues. So yes, I am very calm and I know what$ 100 billion investment will do to Pakistan, as long as they keep fundamentalism out of their society, create peace with everyone and get more education going and democracy. Less religious tolerance...these are pre-reqs for intense growth in Pakistan. In fact, India will pump in $ 15-20 billion into Pakistan's economy. Your businessmen are itching for it

 

[Luftwaffe]

Orangzeib. Love fantasy dreams of 100 billion forex and usa investing billions ...You are living in coockoo land. Pakistán is à failed state no one in the west wil trust them and the generals have cleaned up wat little money has.

You failed state definition is failed you can open a thread on fail states, a fail state is a one where daily life seize to exist development seize to exist stock market does not exist, even no form of government exists. tell me the forex reserves of US and their 11 trillion debt come back we'll discuss economy on the thread you open somewhere else.

 

[Manticore]

Beside the financial problems, one other issue was the engine for J-10b/FC-20. PAF is not interested in this aircraft with the WS-10A engine. It thinks that its performance with WS-10 is inferior to one with Al-31FN.

Now the rumors are that Russia has agreed to sell AL-31FN to China for use in J-10B for export to Pakistan.

But no information whether the sale will go through unless money problem has been resolved. Let us hope for the best.

sir pshamim

 

[Viper0011.]

Orangzeib. Love fantasy dreams of 100 billion forex and usa investing billions ...You are living in coockoo land. Pakistán is à failed state no one in the west wil trust them and the generals have cleaned up wat little money has.

1: Pakistan isn't a failed state. In fact, it helped the US with WOT for over 12 years and took losses for its brave soldiers and negative impact to its economy. Plus it has managed to keep you guys at bay (a very large bay at that). So unless you want to silly comment, its not a failed state. Failed states don't manage many fronts and other issues.

2: Pakistan is a real democracy now. You are about to witness a repeat of the Indian model but only faster paced investments pouring in like crazy. And it is going to see crazy increase in the economy within the next 36 months. You can take a picture of this post and keep a printout by your bed. When you see it in 3 years, think of me

 

[Chak Bamu]

Orangzeib please explain why thid incredible growth wil happen in Pakistán when the rest of the World including china and india are slowing. Usa to invest billions yeah where from mate and why Pakistán. Surely any sensible investor wil píck more stable country .





Are You making this up.

Usa is not even talking to u lot

Make the last usa state visit by usa presidente.

I live and work in Pakistan by choice. You have no idea how tough Pakistanis are. Investments will come precisely because other destinations are slowing down. Pakistan started de-regulation in South Asia but could not capitalize on that because of weak and compromised political system. India followed Pakistan's lead and prospered. Good for you.

But we in Pakistan are on the verge of another round of de-regulation, privatization, and foreign investment. It shall take 2 to 3 years to dig out of the severe energy crisis. During this time investments shall come from China and Arab countries (notice just recent developments), as well as Western world. As the economy picks up, the pace shall increase. Just watch.

In five years Pakistan would not have any problem paying for military hardware. But then by that time both India and Pakistan would have better ties, stable borders, and a significant section of population committed to peace. Again, Pakistan is taking a lead in this endeavor while Indians seem to be dragging their feet.

FC-20 may or may not come to Pakistan, we would not have any problem supporting our defense programs.

 

[sancho]

sir pshamim

So they don't like Russian engines, but still prefer it over less performing Chinese engines. Will we see the same wrt JF B3 too?

 

[Storm Force]

Orangzeib

Would love to see YOUR comments re this news below

PAF suspends ?Air Force Development Plan 2025,? says report - DAWN.COM


You where suggesting a world record QUDRUPLE growth of 400% in GDP in 7 years

AND USA which is nearly bankrupt PROVIDING $100 BILLION IN FDI in pakistan.

WITH INCREDIBLE GROWTH BY THE HUGLY EDUCATED DRIVEN PAKISTANI BUSINESS COMMINITY

end result massive invstment in FC20 & F16 & J31

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Unfortunately this INCREDIBLE VISION OF YOURS looks a little SKEWED at present

 

[Viper0011.]

Orangzeib please explain why thid incredible growth wil happen in Pakistán when the rest of the World including china and india are slowing. Usa to invest billions yeah where from mate and why Pakistán. Surely any sensible investor wil píck more stable country .
Are You making this up.
Usa is not even talking to u lot
Make the last usa state visit by usa presidente.

You and your friends have this debate with me on other places. But you won't budge to understand the reality. India and China are slowing down because majority of investments have been made. Whatever was going to come from the west to you guys, majority of it has come. Now you have to grow internally and that's why the growth is slowed.
Now take an example of Pakistan. It has 200 million people compared to 1.2 billion people you guys have or the Chinese have. Your strongest point is also the weakest. Where you have such a big market compared to Pakistan, you ALSO need a LOT more money and other means of growth to care for 1.2 billion people. Where Pakistan needs to have 7 times less investment to care for its 200 million people as its a much smaller portion of the population.
Over the next three years, you'll see basic infrastructure expanding like never before in Pakistan, including electricity, water, power, buildings, hospitals, highways, etc, etc. Things that you need to use to grow your economy. These programs will produce jobs and have ALREADY attracted businessmen from around the world. A 50 Billion dollar investment may mean almost a mid level investment to India or China, due to your size and the fact that the investment has to produce jobs, growth for 1.2 billion people.......but in Pakistan's case, 50 billion dollars investment means about 1 trillion rupees in their currency for ONLY 200 million people's growth (vs. 1.2 for India or China). So they can better their lifestyle, growth, financial freedom and defense upgrade with MUCH less money than India or China. That's a fact. In my opinion and some numbers I've seen floating around, there is EASY 50 billion dollar investment that will be made in the next 2-3 years into Pakistan. I personally think it'll go up to about 100-150 billion over 5-7 years but we'll see. A LOT has to change in Pakistan for such a larger number. They have to be religiously tolerant of others, work cohesively with each other, remove Islamic hard liners from their society and help the West combat terrorism outside of Pakistan and even within Pakistan. But nevertheless the population of Pakistan has asked for a better lifestyle. If the democratic government doesn't deliver it, people will democratically throw these guys away forever and will bring a new leadership. Everyone knows it and if anyone wants to remain in the power in Pakistan, they will have to deliver to the people of Pakistan and will have to create a better, safer, more modern, educated and ethnically tolerant Pakistan.

I just realized that your post took me off the topic as the topic was J-10. I'll go back to the topic now.
Does anyone know the range and the combat capability of J-10B's AESA radars? How far can it lock and how many targets can be fired upon simultaneously? Has this been disclosed? Also, what' the upgraded range for SD-10A?

 

[Storm Force]

Lovely combat plane the chinesse j10 and could be very useful addition to paf. Massive improvement on wat u have today. But going against everything positive that orsngzeib is preaching us looks unlikely especially with news in other thread abt cuts which some of you are ignoring

 

[sancho]

Does anyone know the range and the combat capability of J-10B's AESA radars? How far can it lock and how many targets can be fired upon simultaneously? Has this been disclosed? Also, what' the upgraded range for SD-10A?

Finally something useful. It's not even clear if J10B will have an AESA or if it will be a PESA, since there is no confirmation available yet, but generally estimates are tracking of 10 targets and engaging of 4 simultaneously.

 

[IceCold]

Finally something useful. It's not even clear if J10B will have an AESA or if it will be a PESA, since there is no confirmation available yet, but generally estimates are tracking of 10 targets and engaging of 4 simultaneously.

Does it even matter???

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/255588-paf-suspends-air-force-development-plan-2025-says-report.html

 

[sancho]

Does it even matter???

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/255588-paf-suspends-air-force-development-plan-2025-says-report.html

Yes it does, because even if there is no money for J10B, similar techs should be available for JF17 Block 3, so if J10B has a PESA, it is likely that JF 17 B3 gets a PESA too.

 

[Munir]

This forum is slowly but clearly moving towards discussions where Indians act hostile and Pakistani react. It will get out of control one day.

 

[Kompromat]

This forum is slowly but clearly moving towards discussions where Indians act hostile and Pakistani react. It will get out of control one day.

We have medicine for that sir.

 

[That Guy]

We have medicine for that sir.

Is it called the ban-hammer?