Changing Dynamics of Air Warfare in South Asia

[MastanKhan]

My biggest concern is the proportionality of the response from our side and not preemptive - - - - - OK opening up of strategically dormant fronts if the need arises.

"see the enemy slapped from the north east and we returned the favor by delivering a blow only to the north eastern flank"

Why the duck the enemy dictates our threshold ?

Hi,

Going by the US mentality and legality---. If someone touches you with a finger---it is an assault---.

In the state of Florida---you have " Stand your ground law"---which most of these superstar THINK TANK posters and their lackies have no clue about---.

Which mean---american public knows what that means when someone strike you---someone punches you---you take out your concealed carry handgun and shoot them and kill them---.

The proportionately equal response has no value in the UNITED STATES---.

We had a CARTE BLANCHE when the Iaf struck the bomb in that "school" of our---we should have struck harder rather than proving no damage was done---.

We should have decimated the indian air force on the 27th when we had the chance---but the INHERENT DEFENSIVE POSTURE of the Paf proved to be an ultimate failure---.

We were justifiably right in front of the world---. This idiocy by the ISPR and the Paf of making statements fckd pakistan's integrity---.

Which proves again---the indian pu its air force on a platter for Paf to decimate and the Paf ends up with giving it hugs and kisses---.

All the pakistanis are good for is cheating---stealing land and property---and looting the national exchequer---.

Has anyone read the history of the incidence where Roosevelt led the rough riders to invade spaniards in cuba ( spanish american war ) on a fake drummed up charge of blown up ship---which the americans did themselves---.

The current Paf chief is an inherently a cowardly & indecisive person--27th---he failed pakistan---.

 

[Mentee]

Has anyone read the history of the incidence where Roosevelt led the rough riders to invade spaniards in cuba ( spanish american war ) on a fake drummed up charge of blown up ship---which the americans did themselves---.

They call him teddy the American stud for a reason. The move alone made the entire spanish fleet around Cuba and in the Philippines surrendered and charge of Latin America officially handed over to the Yankees.

 

[MastanKhan]

They call him teddy the American stud for a reason. The move alone made the entire spanish fleet around Cuba and in the Philippines surrendered and charge of Latin America officially handed over to the Yankees.

Hi,

The americans blow up the ship themselves and then blame the spaniards for doing it---can pakistani generals ever do that to india---?

 

[Mentee]

Hi,

The americans blow up the ship themselves and then blame the spaniards for doing it---can pakistani generals ever do that to india---?

The rural illiterates of our country set up their opponents in unique ways ever known to mankind and then take full advantage of each other's shortcomings, I wonder why the demons are not taken full advantage of when it comes to our national military psyche

 

[MastanKhan]

The rural illiterates of our country set up their opponents in unique ways ever known to mankind and then take full advantage of each other's shortcomings, I wonder why the demons are not taken full advantage of when it comes to our national military psyche

Hi,

Indeed---and then we hear one cowardly excuse after another---.

This would happen---that would happen---.

If your faith is true then what is the fear---. The fear comes out of cowardice---.

 

[TheTallGuy]

The fear comes out of cowardice---.

National Tragedy!

 

[Signalian]

Hi,

I thought you were more intelligent than that---.

In due time---it would have been found out after the action---there were no 300 dead---. How---by using the same photography---time stamped photos---damage to the area or lack of damage---no remains of the dead---.

Think Tank---when a large bomb explodes in a confined space of a room filled with 300 students---the damage to the limb and body is atrocious---body parts---skin and flesh pieces---blood splatter flies far and away---and this being a wooded area---pieces of flesh and skin and bllod droplets could fly a 50 / 100 yards away and be hanging on tree limbs---or a head blown away could be sitting behind a rock after it had rolled down a hill.

Plus where would the mourning families of the "300" students disappear if there were no deaths---.

You kids try every opportunity to put me down---don't take my posts personal---don't cut your nose to spite your face---.

There was no war---india was only testing the capabilities of the Pak military and the pak air force as a pre cursor to Kashmir annexation

So---if the war had started what would have happened---.

You had already shot down possibly 6 of their SU30;s---maybe a couple of mirage 2000's and a mig 21 and sunk a frontline submarine---.

Basically in the first hour of the counter strike---you had smashed the enemy power base to smithereens---the enemy air force pilot's psyche would have been shattered by this news of the JF17 downing the mighty SU30's---. The monstrosity of the little Sparrow hawk would have made the enemy legs jello---.

That would have been a true WTF happened moment for the Iaf pilots---everyone of them would be looking at each other and asking---WTF happened---how did we fck up so bad about assessing the capabilities of this aircraft---.

The momentum was with the Paf and pak military---.

A similar thing happened with Pak navy in 1965---. War was oin on in kashmir---on the 4th the Submarine Ghazi saw thru the periscope the indian aircraft carrier sitting at the port---.

Could have and should have sunk it---the captain of the sub a great soldier but never had the ability to grab the opportunity offered at hand---.

An israeli commander would have---a british commander would have---a mongol commander of Chengiz army would have---but a german commander and a pakistani commander would not have---.

Moments like these build the fortunes of nations---it is your own incompetence and a lack of confidence that lets you down---.

What is war---we are at the verge of a war like never before---a war if it happened---the enemy had the time to prepare very well---.

On feb 27th the enemy was totally ill-prepared for the war---.

How is it possible for cowards to be allowed to become Think Tank members of this defense forum.

How is it that every Think Tank member of this pakistani defense forum is hiding from a war and covering down with fear of war---@WebMaster---.

What is the reason that no think tank member of this pakistani forum takes an aggressive stance against the enemy---.

Why is every Think Tank member suddenly become anti war---?

Saner minds prevail. The ones running this country.

Although your wish of witnessing another full fledged war may come true in your lifetime, i hope, however one cannot consider that enemy was ill prepared. This is just one of the many differences in perception. War will get nuclear at some point, so discussing a full fledged war based on Air Force is not feasible. The enemy has many columns, the count doesnt stop at 5th column. There is a 6th, 7th, 8th and so forth. India wants a war, wants to blame Pakistan for a war and expects Pakistan to use nuclear weapon first. The world, the western world is having a difficult time facing the fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons and Pakistan will use them if any of its area will be captured by India. If eyes are opened clearly, it can be seen that India is also used as a scapegoat against Pakistan. So what if tens of millions of hindus die, a good reason as any other to annex Pakistan. One Muslim country with rich military background and heritage emerging on the world map in 1947, could not be completely controlled by the west, especially USA and then UK.

What your short sighted-ness cannot envision is that Pakistan is engaged in all kinds of wars except a full fledged conventional war. It's extremely stupid to fight a two-front war, let alone fight a war on multiple fronts, which Pakistan is fighting at the moment. Some of these wars are visible to public, like yourself, a war on LOC, a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan. These wars are set up in media, IT and then lead on to streets of Pakistan and have gained ground in many departments of Pakistan. Judiciary, Police, Political parties - are just the prominent departments. Then there are proper fronts (which most people called lobbying) set up in different countries of the world by India against Pakistan. Washington is just one prominent example. There is a whole scheme set up internally as well as abroad to malign Pakistani Military and create rift between public and Military.

What will the war with India achieve ? Just a satisfaction of your ego. You are sitting in the USA, if a nuclear attack comes and yes it will come, millions will die a horrible death, soldiers and civilians alike, you will be safe.

War mongering while sitting far way from the war zone is very comfortable, yes ?

Shouting the horns of war, desperately and eagerly wanting both militaries to go to war while you sit on side lines and start a commenting spree ? That's not justified.

You are doing no service to Pakistan by creating threads and posts urging Pakistan to make moves which will directly lead to war. Your posts against PAF are a constant testament that you are no less in maligning young minds here and feeding hate to members here. You have done a remarkable service by trying to poison as much minds here against PAF as you possibly can. Few of your views may make sense at start, as soon as you expand on those views - the hatred and the frustration becomes evident. You dwell on detestation against PAF and its command structure. You think you are doing a great service by providing a critical analysis which none other can see. Your biased-ness is conspicuous is every post of yours.

You left PDF and have come back because you find PDF a medium for your voice to be heard and picked up by somebody or a body who can then give you credit and expand on your thoughts/ideas while spreading them in media like newspapers. The TT's on PDF are on NO such agenda. PAF does not owe you anything. PAF's leadership is not bothered about an old bloke chanting his repulsion on decisions taken by them.

There is damage done to the enemy. If its not visible to you - doesnt mean its not happening. If its not according to your liking - doesnt mean Pakistan will stop and divert to tactics defined by you. LOC is just one example. This Uri Drama and Pulwama drama is mainly because of LOC. There are Indian soldiers dying on daily basis on LOC. India cannot stop that although India can try to hide that. India has tried to even the odds on western front - Pakistan's FC did take a toll but things went reasonable under control, though not fully. The intelligence network set up by India inside cities and towns of Pakistan has been badly broken - thanks to capture of Yadav who had been instrumental in numerous bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Separate from that, countless other Intel Ops have thwarted Indian attempts to damage Pakistan. However, none of this is good enough for you. I cant write more which PDF/media already doesn't know. February 27th, was not just a tactical and strategic victory for Pakistan, it was a major psychological victory. Yes its a victory - whether you define it as victory or not.

Come up with something original MK - I'm getting bored of replying you now.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

India did not have any aircraft capable of BVR arsenal to combat Paf aircraft with BVR---.

Only F 16 with AIM120C5. I dont think Thunders with SD 10A are any match for SU 30MKIs and Mig29s UPGs armed with R77s

 

[Signalian]

Why the duck the enemy dictates our threshold ?

Thats what you think and thats what India thinks too. Its better this way.

Let the monkey think he is driving the bus.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Step 4: Bomb an imaginary undefined target - unfortunate trees

Or maybe target was missed

use of two front war

Can u elaborate it a little?

 

[blueazure]

Saner minds prevail. The ones running this country.

Although your wish of witnessing another full fledged war may come true in your lifetime, i hope, however one cannot consider that enemy was ill prepared. This is just one of the many differences in perception. War will get nuclear at some point, so discussing a full fledged war based on Air Force is not feasible. The enemy has many columns, the count doesnt stop at 5th column. There is a 6th, 7th, 8th and so forth. India wants a war, wants to blame Pakistan for a war and expects Pakistan to use nuclear weapon first. The world, the western world is having a difficult time facing the fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons and Pakistan will use them if any of its area will be captured by India. If eyes are opened clearly, it can be seen that India is also used as a scapegoat against Pakistan. So what if tens of millions of hindus die, a good reason as any other to annex Pakistan. One Muslim country with rich military background and heritage emerging on the world map in 1947, could not be completely controlled by the west, especially USA and then UK.

What your short sighted-ness cannot envision is that Pakistan is engaged in all kinds of wars except a full fledged conventional war. It's extremely stupid to fight a two-front war, let alone fight a war on multiple fronts, which Pakistan is fighting at the moment. Some of these wars are visible to public, like yourself, a war on LOC, a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan. These wars are set up in media, IT and then lead on to streets of Pakistan and have gained ground in many departments of Pakistan. Judiciary, Police, Political parties - are just the prominent departments. Then there are proper fronts (which most people called lobbying) set up in different countries of the world by India against Pakistan. Washington is just one prominent example. There is a whole scheme set up internally as well as abroad to malign Pakistani Military and create rift between public and Military.

What will the war with India achieve ? Just a satisfaction of your ego. You are sitting in the USA, if a nuclear attack comes and yes it will come, millions will die a horrible death, soldiers and civilians alike, you will be safe.

War mongering while sitting far way from the war zone is very comfortable, yes ?

Shouting the horns of war, desperately and eagerly wanting both militaries to go to war while you sit on side lines and start a commenting spree ? That's not justified.

You are doing no service to Pakistan by creating threads and posts urging Pakistan to make moves which will directly lead to war. Your posts against PAF are a constant testament that you are no less in maligning young minds here and feeding hate to members here. You have done a remarkable service by trying to poison as much minds here against PAF as you possibly can. Few of your views may make sense at start, as soon as you expand on those views - the hatred and the frustration becomes evident. You dwell on detestation against PAF and its command structure. You think you are doing a great service by providing a critical analysis which none other can see. Your biased-ness is conspicuous is every post of yours.

You left PDF and have come back because you find PDF a medium for your voice to be heard and picked up by somebody or a body who can then give you credit and expand on your thoughts/ideas while spreading them in media like newspapers. The TT's on PDF are on NO such agenda. PAF does not owe you anything. PAF's leadership is not bothered about an old bloke chanting his repulsion on decisions taken by them.

There is damage done to the enemy. If its not visible to you - doesnt mean its not happening. If its not according to your liking - doesnt mean Pakistan will stop and divert to tactics defined by you. LOC is just one example. This Uri Drama and Pulwama drama is mainly because of LOC. There are Indian soldiers dying on daily basis on LOC. India cannot stop that although India can try to hide that. India has tried to even the odds on western front - Pakistan's FC did take a toll but things went reasonable under control, though not fully. The intelligence network set up by India inside cities and towns of Pakistan has been badly broken - thanks to capture of Yadav who had been instrumental in numerous bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Separate from that, countless other Intel Ops have thwarted Indian attempts to damage Pakistan. However, none of this is good enough for you. I cant write more which PDF/media already doesn't know. February 27th, was not just a tactical and strategic victory for Pakistan, it was a major psychological victory. Yes its a victory - whether you define it as victory or not.

Come up with something original MK - I'm getting bored of replying you now.

signalian , you best post of 10 years


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its ironic how people leave pakistan to find comfort abroad and then get this 'privilege' to lecture us folks back home

1. do this, do that

2. in the west, things are like this ,

3. assume an air of political correctness by simply 'being' in the west and appearing a 'patriot '

4. infestation of pti trolls living in canada UK USA and cursing ,squirming on my economy threads is one such example


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trust me, i have been to LoC ( 3 times ) . its not easy being in a bunker in this freezing cold and grabbing your cold G3 barral to search tgt in yonder . a sniper, an atgm round, a mortar can end your life in an instant and these ' pdf ' youthia war mongers want a nuclear patakha

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan

Indians are facing issues too. They have issues with BGB. They cannot Trust China. Mayamnar's border need to be watched due to Rohingya's refugees. CAB's protests all over India. They have Whole Kashmir under curfew which is bad for them. They have Naxals and Moaists

You had already shot down possibly 6 of their SU30;s---maybe a couple of mirage 2000's and a mig 21 and sunk a frontline submarine---.

We dont have will and courage for that. Sir our economy is the Major Issue for us

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Indians are facing issues too. They have issues with BGB. They cannot Trust China. Mayamnar's border need to be watched due to Rohingya's refugees. CAB's protests all over India. They have Whole Kashmir under curfew which is bad for them. They have Naxals and Moaists

Friendly Govt. in Mayanmar. Lapdogs in BD. Naxals and Maoists are striking a peace deal. And they have the backing of west.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

the enemy air force pilot's psyche would have been shattered by this news of the JF17 downing the mighty SU30's---. The monstrosity of the little Sparrow hawk would have made the enemy legs jello---.

Enemy is not that stupid. They would had known that what shot down thier jets. F 16 are our frontline jets. They had locked indian jets with higher range radars and BVRs

Many ppl who knows the mission profile from both sides of border only missions flown by F-16s near MKI CAPs were supersonic withdrawals.

No. Indian jets dont come closer to us. Heard from a BLK 52+ pilot

Could have and should have sunk it---the captain of the sub a great soldier but never had the ability to grab the opportunity offered at hand---.

China offered Pak to attack India on 62. We refused and hence paid the price

Friendly Govt. in Mayanmar. Lapdogs in BD. Naxals and Maoists are striking a peace deal. And they have the backing of west.

Afghans dont have an army. U cannot believe that Iran is gonna attack u. Come on. Iran is on friendly terms with Turkey and Malaysia. They cannot think about it. China is a big no no. We have concentration only with India. India on the other hand , has to look at China too. Ban govt is in good relationship with India but not thier army. Also CAA is causing hinderance between relationship for both countries. TTP is destroyed. BLA, BLF is surrendering and has been weakened.

 

[MastanKhan]

Enemy is not that stupid. They would had known that what shot down thier jets. F 16 are our frontline jets. They had locked indian jets with higher range radars and BVRs


No. Indian jets dont come closer to us. Heard from a BLK 52+ pilot


China offered Pak to attack India on 62. We refused and hence paid the price


Afghans dont have an army. U cannot believe that Iran is gonna attack u. Come on. Iran is on friendly terms with Turkey and Malaysia. They cannot think about it. China is a big no no. We have concentration only with India. India on the other hand , has to look at China too. Ban govt is in good relationship with India but not thier army. Also CAA is causing hinderance between relationship for both countries. TTP is destroyed. BLA, BLF is surrendering and has been weakened.

The JF 17 may have better range missiles---.