Changing Dynamics of Air Warfare in South Asia

[Pakistani Fighter]

The JF 17 may have better range missiles---.

120C5 has a greater range than SD10A. AMRAAMS are battle proven too

 

[MastanKhan]

Saner minds prevail. The ones running this country.

Although your wish of witnessing another full fledged war may come true in your lifetime, i hope, however one cannot consider that enemy was ill prepared. This is just one of the many differences in perception. War will get nuclear at some point, so discussing a full fledged war based on Air Force is not feasible. The enemy has many columns, the count doesnt stop at 5th column. There is a 6th, 7th, 8th and so forth. India wants a war, wants to blame Pakistan for a war and expects Pakistan to use nuclear weapon first. The world, the western world is having a difficult time facing the fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons and Pakistan will use them if any of its area will be captured by India. If eyes are opened clearly, it can be seen that India is also used as a scapegoat against Pakistan. So what if tens of millions of hindus die, a good reason as any other to annex Pakistan. One Muslim country with rich military background and heritage emerging on the world map in 1947, could not be completely controlled by the west, especially USA and then UK.

What your short sighted-ness cannot envision is that Pakistan is engaged in all kinds of wars except a full fledged conventional war. It's extremely stupid to fight a two-front war, let alone fight a war on multiple fronts, which Pakistan is fighting at the moment. Some of these wars are visible to public, like yourself, a war on LOC, a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan. These wars are set up in media, IT and then lead on to streets of Pakistan and have gained ground in many departments of Pakistan. Judiciary, Police, Political parties - are just the prominent departments. Then there are proper fronts (which most people called lobbying) set up in different countries of the world by India against Pakistan. Washington is just one prominent example. There is a whole scheme set up internally as well as abroad to malign Pakistani Military and create rift between public and Military.

What will the war with India achieve ? Just a satisfaction of your ego. You are sitting in the USA, if a nuclear attack comes and yes it will come, millions will die a horrible death, soldiers and civilians alike, you will be safe.

War mongering while sitting far way from the war zone is very comfortable, yes ?

Shouting the horns of war, desperately and eagerly wanting both militaries to go to war while you sit on side lines and start a commenting spree ? That's not justified.

You are doing no service to Pakistan by creating threads and posts urging Pakistan to make moves which will directly lead to war. Your posts against PAF are a constant testament that you are no less in maligning young minds here and feeding hate to members here. You have done a remarkable service by trying to poison as much minds here against PAF as you possibly can. Few of your views may make sense at start, as soon as you expand on those views - the hatred and the frustration becomes evident. You dwell on detestation against PAF and its command structure. You think you are doing a great service by providing a critical analysis which none other can see. Your biased-ness is conspicuous is every post of yours.

You left PDF and have come back because you find PDF a medium for your voice to be heard and picked up by somebody or a body who can then give you credit and expand on your thoughts/ideas while spreading them in media like newspapers. The TT's on PDF are on NO such agenda. PAF does not owe you anything. PAF's leadership is not bothered about an old bloke chanting his repulsion on decisions taken by them.

There is damage done to the enemy. If its not visible to you - doesnt mean its not happening. If its not according to your liking - doesnt mean Pakistan will stop and divert to tactics defined by you. LOC is just one example. This Uri Drama and Pulwama drama is mainly because of LOC. There are Indian soldiers dying on daily basis on LOC. India cannot stop that although India can try to hide that. India has tried to even the odds on western front - Pakistan's FC did take a toll but things went reasonable under control, though not fully. The intelligence network set up by India inside cities and towns of Pakistan has been badly broken - thanks to capture of Yadav who had been instrumental in numerous bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Separate from that, countless other Intel Ops have thwarted Indian attempts to damage Pakistan. However, none of this is good enough for you. I cant write more which PDF/media already doesn't know. February 27th, was not just a tactical and strategic victory for Pakistan, it was a major psychological victory. Yes its a victory - whether you define it as victory or not.

Come up with something original MK - I'm getting bored of replying you now.

Hi,

I established PDF---PDF is where it is because of me---.

Since when did you become important---. You are a nobody so far---.

If peace is important---the get done with your nucs---sell them to the US---get a 100 billion in aid---.

I have not even started my " dis service " to the Paf---it is only contained to this forum---. If I decide to go on national TV---Paf will not have a place to hide their faces---.

signalian , you best post of 10 years


:clap:clap:clap:


its ironic how people leave pakistan to find comfort abroad and then get this 'privilege' to lecture us folks back home

1. do this, do that

2. in the west, things are like this ,

3. assume an air of political correctness by simply 'being' in the west and appearing a 'patriot '

4. infestation of pti trolls living in canada UK USA and cursing ,squirming on my economy threads is one such example


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trust me, i have been to LoC ( 3 times ) . its not easy being in a bunker in this freezing cold and grabbing your cold G3 barral to search tgt in yonder . a sniper, an atgm round, a mortar can end your life in an instant and these ' pdf ' youthia war mongers want a nuclear patakha

Hi,

It is very simple---make peace then---that is all---why all this arguing back and forth---. Sell your nucs---establish your industry and walk to a different tune---.

 

[War Thunder]

120C5 has a greater range than SD10A. AMRAAMS are battle proven too

Ever heard of PL-15? Do some research.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Ever heard of PL-15? Do some research.

I am talking about SD 10A

 

[MastanKhan]

Enemy is not that stupid. They would had known that what shot down thier jets. F 16 are our frontline jets. They had locked indian jets with higher range radars and BVRs


No. Indian jets dont come closer to us. Heard from a BLK 52+ pilot


China offered Pak to attack India on 62. We refused and hence paid the price


Afghans dont have an army. U cannot believe that Iran is gonna attack u. Come on. Iran is on friendly terms with Turkey and Malaysia. They cannot think about it. China is a big no no. We have concentration only with India. India on the other hand , has to look at China too. Ban govt is in good relationship with India but not thier army. Also CAA is causing hinderance between relationship for both countries. TTP is destroyed. BLA, BLF is surrendering and has been weakened.

Hi,

So---now that the Paf has given all its operational secrets and told the enemy on an open forum what its shortcoming were in that combat---we are basically done and dusted---now what---.

Iaf will have an operational Rafale in around a year---Paf will have operational BKL 3 in 5 years time after the integration is done---.

Whatever advantage the Paf had on the 27th is gone---. India will never allow pakistan's economy to get where it wold hurt india and neither would the US allow it---.

I just want to share this news if you have not heard---did not want to write it---General Bajwa was behind the letting go of Nawaz Sharif to England---forced Imran Khan to do it---. IK refused many time----but Gen Bajwa was relentless---.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Afghans dont have an army. U cannot believe that Iran is gonna attack u. Come on.

You don't need an army to hurt your enemy. US didn't need an army to defeat soviets in Afg. They bled them through proxies. This is what RAW/NDS/CIA is doing.

Iran is on friendly terms with Turkey and Malaysia. They cannot think about it.

Iran is doing the same. Where do you think BLA is established??? On Feb. Iranian top general threatened that they will launch missile attack against Pakistan.

China is a big no no. We have concentration only with India. India on the other hand , has to look at China too.

China doesn't bother India like India does us. China has moved on to US.

Ban govt is in good relationship with India but not thier army. Also CAA is causing hinderance between relationship for both countries.

BD military don't have the capacity to engage India.

TTP is destroyed. BLA, BLF is surrendering and has been weakened.

They are still attacking us and causing us lives. BLA will revive again if India engages with Iran again.

 

[MastanKhan]

120C5 has a greater range than SD10A. AMRAAMS are battle proven too

Hi,

I guess you did not know it---so let me teach you---in this day and age---every weapon is " battle proven " before it goes thru integration---.

You used a 50 years old terminology---it does not hold good anymore---.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Iaf will have an operational Rafale in around a year---Paf will have operational BKL 3 in 5 years time after the integration is done---

Dont think so sir. Rafale wont be given all in a year. Will take years for India to get Rafale. Also making it operational will take time. On the other hand, it looks like JF 17 blk 3 wont be having much structural differences. Wont take much time for operational use as compared to Rafale

I guess you did not know it---so let me teach you---in this day and age---every weapon is " battle proven " before it goes thru integration--

If that was the case, then R77s would had gotten better for us.

 

[War Thunder]

Saner minds prevail. The ones running this country.

Although your wish of witnessing another full fledged war may come true in your lifetime, i hope, however one cannot consider that enemy was ill prepared. This is just one of the many differences in perception. War will get nuclear at some point, so discussing a full fledged war based on Air Force is not feasible. The enemy has many columns, the count doesnt stop at 5th column. There is a 6th, 7th, 8th and so forth. India wants a war, wants to blame Pakistan for a war and expects Pakistan to use nuclear weapon first. The world, the western world is having a difficult time facing the fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons and Pakistan will use them if any of its area will be captured by India. If eyes are opened clearly, it can be seen that India is also used as a scapegoat against Pakistan. So what if tens of millions of hindus die, a good reason as any other to annex Pakistan. One Muslim country with rich military background and heritage emerging on the world map in 1947, could not be completely controlled by the west, especially USA and then UK.

What your short sighted-ness cannot envision is that Pakistan is engaged in all kinds of wars except a full fledged conventional war. It's extremely stupid to fight a two-front war, let alone fight a war on multiple fronts, which Pakistan is fighting at the moment. Some of these wars are visible to public, like yourself, a war on LOC, a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan. These wars are set up in media, IT and then lead on to streets of Pakistan and have gained ground in many departments of Pakistan. Judiciary, Police, Political parties - are just the prominent departments. Then there are proper fronts (which most people called lobbying) set up in different countries of the world by India against Pakistan. Washington is just one prominent example. There is a whole scheme set up internally as well as abroad to malign Pakistani Military and create rift between public and Military.

What will the war with India achieve ? Just a satisfaction of your ego. You are sitting in the USA, if a nuclear attack comes and yes it will come, millions will die a horrible death, soldiers and civilians alike, you will be safe.

War mongering while sitting far way from the war zone is very comfortable, yes ?

Shouting the horns of war, desperately and eagerly wanting both militaries to go to war while you sit on side lines and start a commenting spree ? That's not justified.

You are doing no service to Pakistan by creating threads and posts urging Pakistan to make moves which will directly lead to war. Your posts against PAF are a constant testament that you are no less in maligning young minds here and feeding hate to members here. You have done a remarkable service by trying to poison as much minds here against PAF as you possibly can. Few of your views may make sense at start, as soon as you expand on those views - the hatred and the frustration becomes evident. You dwell on detestation against PAF and its command structure. You think you are doing a great service by providing a critical analysis which none other can see. Your biased-ness is conspicuous is every post of yours.

You left PDF and have come back because you find PDF a medium for your voice to be heard and picked up by somebody or a body who can then give you credit and expand on your thoughts/ideas while spreading them in media like newspapers. The TT's on PDF are on NO such agenda. PAF does not owe you anything. PAF's leadership is not bothered about an old bloke chanting his repulsion on decisions taken by them.

There is damage done to the enemy. If its not visible to you - doesnt mean its not happening. If its not according to your liking - doesnt mean Pakistan will stop and divert to tactics defined by you. LOC is just one example. This Uri Drama and Pulwama drama is mainly because of LOC. There are Indian soldiers dying on daily basis on LOC. India cannot stop that although India can try to hide that. India has tried to even the odds on western front - Pakistan's FC did take a toll but things went reasonable under control, though not fully. The intelligence network set up by India inside cities and towns of Pakistan has been badly broken - thanks to capture of Yadav who had been instrumental in numerous bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Separate from that, countless other Intel Ops have thwarted Indian attempts to damage Pakistan. However, none of this is good enough for you. I cant write more which PDF/media already doesn't know. February 27th, was not just a tactical and strategic victory for Pakistan, it was a major psychological victory. Yes its a victory - whether you define it as victory or not.

Come up with something original MK - I'm getting bored of replying you now.

Man I've been reading the guy at times. I've seen his posts and threads and have shown extreme disagreement on many. I have found them to not be balanced but tilting to one side more often and giving in to one perspective where a neutral perspective could have helped.

But I don't feel any of that is aimed at harming Pakistan or the air force but more of a criticism with some valid points that can be considered. One does not get better by being praised but by criticized.

And our armed forces as a whole, whether you are part of them or not have not been up to the task.
We have had generals running around with the mentality of slaves to Washington and what not, having inherited that from the colonial training.

And we have seen extreme cowardice which stems out of fear of men. And as Allah says, if you fear any but Him then He puts the fear of men in your heart and you run to them for protection and alliances.

And let's be very correct here. Our country is messed up today because our Army could not let sane politics to happen in the country. The same army that decared Fatima Jinnah as a traitor, the same army that allowed thugs like Nawaz brought into power, an the same army that allowed NRO to happen, to withdraw from Kargil after having achieved advantage, to give up on East Pakistan instead of attacking from the western side out of cowardice and fear of "men". And the same army who allowed the drama of Bin Laden to be played and executed, and the same army that allowed bombing of own citizens from the sky.

So let's stop trying to become more holy than what we are, and let's portray an accurate image of the Army.

I just want to share this news if you have not heard---did not want to write it---General Bajwa was behind the letting go of Nawaz Sharif to England---forced Imran Khan to do it---. IK refused many time----but Gen Bajwa was relentless---.

What's his logic behind it?

 

[Mentee]

Hi,

So---now that the Paf has given all its operational secrets and told the enemy on an open forum what its shortcoming were in that combat---we are basically done and dusted---now what---.

Iaf will have an operational Rafale in around a year---Paf will have operational BKL 3 in 5 years time after the integration is done---.

Whatever advantage the Paf had on the 27th is gone---. India will never allow pakistan's economy to get where it wold hurt india and neither would the US allow it---.

I just want to share this news if you have not heard---did not want to write it---General Bajwa was behind the letting go of Nawaz Sharif to England---forced Imran Khan to do it---. IK refused many time----but Gen Bajwa was relentless---.

Knew it from day one. The additional advocate general didnt utter a single word before the judges so consequently they let him fly. Then the dumb youtubers went crazy with their tin foil hat and we found a scapegoat in the form of judiciary.

 

[kursed]

Sir, KT's article talks about ground-based jammers. I am surprised, no one has since picked up on it. =)

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Saner minds prevail. The ones running this country.

Although your wish of witnessing another full fledged war may come true in your lifetime, i hope, however one cannot consider that enemy was ill prepared. This is just one of the many differences in perception. War will get nuclear at some point, so discussing a full fledged war based on Air Force is not feasible. The enemy has many columns, the count doesnt stop at 5th column. There is a 6th, 7th, 8th and so forth. India wants a war, wants to blame Pakistan for a war and expects Pakistan to use nuclear weapon first. The world, the western world is having a difficult time facing the fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons and Pakistan will use them if any of its area will be captured by India. If eyes are opened clearly, it can be seen that India is also used as a scapegoat against Pakistan. So what if tens of millions of hindus die, a good reason as any other to annex Pakistan. One Muslim country with rich military background and heritage emerging on the world map in 1947, could not be completely controlled by the west, especially USA and then UK.

What your short sighted-ness cannot envision is that Pakistan is engaged in all kinds of wars except a full fledged conventional war. It's extremely stupid to fight a two-front war, let alone fight a war on multiple fronts, which Pakistan is fighting at the moment. Some of these wars are visible to public, like yourself, a war on LOC, a war on western front against Afghan aggression, a war against likes of TTP, BLF, a war against elements which are anti-CPEC etc. Then there are cyber and intelligence wars - which start from the borders of Pakistan to the very interior of all provinces of Pakistan. These wars are set up in media, IT and then lead on to streets of Pakistan and have gained ground in many departments of Pakistan. Judiciary, Police, Political parties - are just the prominent departments. Then there are proper fronts (which most people called lobbying) set up in different countries of the world by India against Pakistan. Washington is just one prominent example. There is a whole scheme set up internally as well as abroad to malign Pakistani Military and create rift between public and Military.

What will the war with India achieve ? Just a satisfaction of your ego. You are sitting in the USA, if a nuclear attack comes and yes it will come, millions will die a horrible death, soldiers and civilians alike, you will be safe.

War mongering while sitting far way from the war zone is very comfortable, yes ?

Shouting the horns of war, desperately and eagerly wanting both militaries to go to war while you sit on side lines and start a commenting spree ? That's not justified.

You are doing no service to Pakistan by creating threads and posts urging Pakistan to make moves which will directly lead to war. Your posts against PAF are a constant testament that you are no less in maligning young minds here and feeding hate to members here. You have done a remarkable service by trying to poison as much minds here against PAF as you possibly can. Few of your views may make sense at start, as soon as you expand on those views - the hatred and the frustration becomes evident. You dwell on detestation against PAF and its command structure. You think you are doing a great service by providing a critical analysis which none other can see. Your biased-ness is conspicuous is every post of yours.

You left PDF and have come back because you find PDF a medium for your voice to be heard and picked up by somebody or a body who can then give you credit and expand on your thoughts/ideas while spreading them in media like newspapers. The TT's on PDF are on NO such agenda. PAF does not owe you anything. PAF's leadership is not bothered about an old bloke chanting his repulsion on decisions taken by them.

There is damage done to the enemy. If its not visible to you - doesnt mean its not happening. If its not according to your liking - doesnt mean Pakistan will stop and divert to tactics defined by you. LOC is just one example. This Uri Drama and Pulwama drama is mainly because of LOC. There are Indian soldiers dying on daily basis on LOC. India cannot stop that although India can try to hide that. India has tried to even the odds on western front - Pakistan's FC did take a toll but things went reasonable under control, though not fully. The intelligence network set up by India inside cities and towns of Pakistan has been badly broken - thanks to capture of Yadav who had been instrumental in numerous bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Separate from that, countless other Intel Ops have thwarted Indian attempts to damage Pakistan. However, none of this is good enough for you. I cant write more which PDF/media already doesn't know. February 27th, was not just a tactical and strategic victory for Pakistan, it was a major psychological victory. Yes its a victory - whether you define it as victory or not.

Come up with something original MK - I'm getting bored of replying you now.

Dil Khusj Kardia Sir aap ney ....

Hi,

And that was cowardice and bad assessment---. We should have been crying a river and made a massive retaliatory strike---and should have mourned the 300 "dead" madrassah students---and made the world know---they killed out 300 students---we had to strike hard in revenge---.

When the world would come looking and tell you---where the 300 dead madrassah students---there is no clue of any dead---you would say---how could we know---the enemy claimed and we thought they were obliterated and we had a lot of public pressure on us thus we had to strike hard otherwise the public was at our throats---.

Paf has dumb fck leadership---. The hindus gave you another opportunity of a lifetime and they tried to act honest---what f'ing morons---. Could have decimated the indian air strike force in kashmir and the sub in the ocean---and the world would not have questioned---.

Paf had its own internal grown fears hold them back---the lack of numbers----.



Why the heck would you say that indians did not cross LOC---. Why would you support the indian narrative or if not why would you even suggest that---.

Guys---this is the face of the enemy---a saboteur---how disgraceful---.

Cowardice ....right?

You call it cowardice only because PAF didn't attack at the time which would have been right as per your understanding....correct?

Would you mind explaining why those same "cowards" went for the attack only after 6-hours of your appropriate time and in the broad day light?

Knew it from day one. The additional advocate general didnt utter a single word before the judges so consequently they let him fly. Then the dumb youtubers went crazy with their tin foil hat and we found a scapegoat in the form of judiciary.

Bajwa Sahib must be red faced now because letting go of NS was done to appease KSA and UAE ---- and now the two (KSA and UAE) have stabbed Pakistan in the back.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Iran is doing the same. Where do you think BLA is established??? On Feb. Iranian top general threatened that they will launch missile attack against Pakistan.

Herbeyar is in Dehli and Bramdagh is in moving in Europe. the Farari camps are in Afghanistan where India has established the cultural centers. none are Iran based as far as I know. Indians have far more willing and hostile host in the shape of Afghanistan so BLA is comfortable there

Sir, KT's article talks about ground-based jammers. I am surprised, no one has since picked up on it. =)

its less sensational otherwise the air defense command consists of both the air and ground based equipment and personnel for a full coverage of the air space.

 

[MastanKhan]

Dil Khusj Kardia Sir aap ney ....



Cowardice ....right?

You call it cowardice only because PAF didn't attack at the time which would have been right as per your understanding....correct?

Would you mind explaining why those same "cowards" went for the attack only after 6-hours of your appropriate time and in the broad day light?



Bajwa Sahib must be red faced now because letting go of NS was done to appease KSA and UAE ---- and now the two (KSA and UAE) have stabbed Pakistan in the back.

Hi,

So little you know about modern air combat---amazing---.

This air war had nothing to do with being in the day time or the night time---.

The electronic sensors do not differentiate between the two---you are looking thru the electronic eye in front of your screen that is making the target lock---your electronic sensors are jamming the enemy sensors---it will do the same in the day or in the night time.

As you were the first one to JAM THE ENEMY SENSORS---that means the enemy's counter measures will / may not work against you---.

I keep laughing at this term---" we attacked in the day time"---like robbing someone in the day time---in front of the whole wold. For the aircraft---it would have meant nothing---either day time or the night time---.

What's his logic behind it?

Hi,

Sell out---. They forced IK---let them go---afterwards you can govern easily---.

Now the new question arises---was it the air chiefs decision or the commander in chiefs decision to let the enemy aircraft slip away on the 27th as well as the enemy sub---.

People need to understand one thing---these are continuously shifting paradigms---when you keep on probing---and you keep on probing and you keep on probing---even if you are going in the wrong direction---something will pop up to give you the answer that you want---and I have gotten my answers---.

27th was a pressure decision by the Paf---if the Paf had gotten away with it---they would not have gone in---. It was extreme pressure from the public and the politicians and Junior officers---.

Pakistan military fckd up by declaring in the early stages that there was no 300 killing---they pushed hard on it so that the public sentiment would go down---.

If they would have known that the public---the junior officer and the politicians would not takeit laying down---the military would never had stated that and if the military really wanted to right away---they would literally have smashed their way thru---.

The reaction of the 27th was setup to please pakistanis---and in this showoff---Paf gave away all its assets---told the enemy what its short comings were---showed the enemy how it was done---( just to show the big boys that we could do it too )---.

That was an extreme blunder---now for that a High court judge can justifiably see---those disclosures of enemy's weaknesses were tantamount to treason against the state---.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

So little you know about modern air combat---amazing---.

This air war had nothing to do with being in the day time or the night time---.

The electronic sensors do not differentiate between the two---you are looking thru the electronic eye in front of your screen that is making the target lock---your electronic sensors are jamming the enemy sensors---it will do the same in the day or in the night time.

As you were the first one to JAM THE ENEMY SENSORS---that means the enemy's counter measures will / may not work against you---.

I keep laughing at this term---" we attacked in the day time"---like robbing someone in the day time---in front of the whole wold. For the aircraft---it would have meant nothing---either day time or the night time---.

Hello Mr Hi,

Isn't it amazing that the "master" of modern air combat, military strategy, diplomacy and warfare tactics is a mere owner of a car shop and a key board warrior.

As usual, your fish sized brain has not been able to comprehend what I wrote......and when you could not understand all you could is "laugh".

So, my advice to you will be, read my post again; give yourself a little time because it is above your IQ level (may be little bit of time helps you understand some part of it - and then come back here and write again.

P.S. If you still cannot understand (which is highly likely) then let me know.