CAT to be reconsidered by IAF ??

[sudhir007]

CAT to be reconsidered by IAF ?? idrw.org

Sources close to IDRW.ORG have told us that Indian Air force is seriously considering to have a Re-look in Hal’s Combat Attack Trainer (CAT) program for Indian Air Force AJT (Advanced Jet Trainer) requirement . as per Source IAF has asked HAL to re-submit CAT Proposal for the study , HAL is gearing up to submit a potentially improved HJT-39 derivative .

HAL had first shown Combat Attack Trainer (CAT) Mock up way back in Aero India 2005 which was also know as HJT-39 then. Basically it was a Twin engine jet trainer with Basic airframe design of HJT-36 (in terms of shape) and , avionics comparable with those of HJT-36 and Tejas.while DRDO and ADA had also came up with their own AJT proposal which was based on a slim downed version of LCA (Tejas) know has LIFT (Lead in fighter Trainer) , Both the proposals got cold response from Indian Air force at that time .

Presumably since IAF which had already ordered 66 Bae Hawks at that time and did not wanted to field two different variants of AJT in air force , most probably wanted to do a ” follow on ” orders for the Hawks , but current problems which IAF and HAL had to go through due to Bae Hawks might have prompted this response from Air force . it still not clear if Air force serious enough to consider the proposal or go head with purchase of more Hawk AJT .

HAL earlier had asked 36 months for development from start to first official flight of the aircraft and even DRDO had asked for similar time frame . interestingly DRDO’s proposal of LIFT Program was based on Supersonic Jet trainer in lines of South Korean T-50 .

Attention : we are coming up with a article of Bae Hawks and what really went wrong with the deal and how messed up was the whole project (Lot of inside info) soon.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What is the point in the CAT is it to be used in war or to train pilots?

 

[KEETARP]

I have a Jane's document from Aero-India 2005 about CAT and a 3D rendering -

 

[AMCA]

Follow the Link, you have Pictures of This aircraft and Its Cockpit... HAL AJT-39

http:///revisiting-indian-combat-air-trainer-project

 

[Invincible INDIAN]

Adding to this

Swiss Pilatus set to supply 75 trainer jets to IAF: Report - Brahmand.com

 

[OrionHunter]

I have a document from Aero-India 2005 about CAT and a 3D rendering -

Computer generated image!! Jeeez! So now we probably have to wait another 30 years or so for it to graduate from the drawing board to the take-off stage! 44 months is too darn ambitious! Remember the Tejas and Arjun? Oh well, nuff said!

 

[MrIndianSikh]

Wow the IAF should at least consider and give HAL ADA DRDO a chance to develop a CAT and LIFT in the meanwhile the 3 should launch a R&D just in case even if the IAF is mute to indigenous proposals

 

[Abingdonboy]

What? This is an AJT, same as BAE HAWK- 66 are already in service with a further 57 on order (as per UK PM David Camerons visit late year ) for IAF and IN, how can this be unless IAF wants to operate two of the same class of planes simultaneously.

 

[Avatar]

What? This is an AJT, same as BAE HAWK- 66 are already in service with a further 57 on order (as per UK PM David Camerons visit late year ) for IAF and IN, how can this be unless IAF wants to operate two of the same class of planes simultaneously.

Trainers are not counted among inventory of fighter planes. Rather, having more types of trainers helps in improving the pilot training.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Trainers are not counted among inventory of fighter planes. Rather, having more types of trainers helps in improving the pilot training.

Not really- the IAF,along with most other modern AFs, use a four step training system so it makes sense to have one plane for each- Pilatus PC-7 (basic trainer), IJT-36 (intermediate trainer), BAE HAWK (AJT), deployed fighter training ( MKI, JAG, M2k etc). This seems to be where IAF is heading, so then why add this complication and double infrastructure, offer two different trainers with different controls and procedures (they aren't going to be identical) for the sae result? Why not just buy more HAWKs? But even still I didn't realise there was a demand for more the IAF is to operate 106 BAE HAWK AJTs and the IN 17. Very confusing.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

Not really- the IAF,along with most other modern AFs, use a four step training system so it makes sense to have one plane for each- Pilatus PC-7 (basic trainer), IJT-36 (intermediate trainer), BAE HAWK (AJT), deployed fighter training ( MKI, JAG, M2k etc). This seems to be where IAF is heading, so then why add this complication and double infrastructure, offer two different trainers with different controls and procedures (they aren't going to be identical) for the sae result? Why not just buy more HAWKs? But even still I didn't realise there was a demand for more the IAF is to operate 106 BAE HAWK AJTs and the IN 17. Very confusing.

as of right now IAF has no basic trainer so newbie pilots have to be trained on the more difficult Kiran.... the quality of pilot training can help the chances of victory in air combat

i made a thread on this yesterday but IAF needs to be top notch and well trained air force like the Israeli air force is.... they need ab initio trainer, basic trainer, intermediate trainer, advanced trainer, and lead in fighter trainer, a 5 step process then its into fighter conversion training

 

[Abingdonboy]

as of right now IAF has no basic trainer so newbie pilots have to be trained on the more difficult Kiran.... the quality of pilot training can help the chances of victory in air combat

i made a thread on this yesterday but IAF needs to be top notch and well trained air force like the Israeli air force is.... they need ab initio trainer, basic trainer, intermediate trainer, advanced trainer, and lead in fighter trainer, a 5 step process then its into fighter conversion training

Yes but this CAT from HAL is an AJT and not a basic trainer- if it was I would understand. A 5 step? As of yet most modern AFs use 4 step process- what AC would you select for each of your 5 step?

 

[MrIndianSikh]

Yes but this CAT from HAL is an AJT and not a basic trainer- if it was I would understand. A 5 step? As of yet most modern AFs use 4 step process- what AC would you select for each of your 5 step?

for Ab Initio i'd say a ultra light aircraft or even a glider would do NAL Hansa is a good a/c for this role

for Basic training PC-7 or KT-1 will be good for that role because IAF desperately needs basic trainer aircraft

for Intermediate training the HJT-36 Sitara will take care of that role

for Advanced training the BAE Hawk has already taken that role as well

however the IAF lacks a lead in fighter trainer LIFT the KAI T-50 golden eagle (actually capable of supersonic speed) would be a excellent choice

the more training and the better the training is will make IAF pilots beasts in the air