Canada foils 'al-Qaeda inspire' terror attack on train

[RangerPK]

Al Qaeda in Iran.

That sounds like an oxymoron.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

canada is having a hard time realizing the difference

 

[MTN1917]

Iran does have some Sunni Arab population. These guys could be linked to them

Overwhelming majority of iran's arab population are shia muslims, there are only some sunni arabs in villages of hormozgan province.Balouchs,turkmens and less than half of our kurdish population is sunni.
I find it very hard to believe that these terrorist could have any relation to iran.
There is no organized al qaeda cell in Iran although there are some al qaeda members in iran under house arrest or in prison and Iran's government hates al qaeda as much as they al qaeda hates fire worshiping majoos.
Harper administration is completely in pockets of Israel,they closed Iran embassy in Canada for no good reason,added IRGC to their terror list. so I won't be surprised that even if they blamed extinction of dinosaurs on Iran.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

Overwhelming majority of iran's arab population are shia muslims, there are only some sunni arabs in villages of hormozgan province.Balouchs,turkmens and less than half of our kurdish population is sunni.
I find it very hard to believe that these terrorist could have any relation to iran.
There is no organized al qaeda cell in Iran although there are some al qaeda members in iran under house arrest or in prison and Iran's government hates al qaeda as much as they al qaeda hates fire worshiping majoos.
Harper administration is completely in pockets of Israel,they closed Iran embassy in Canada for no good reason,added IRGC to their terror list. so I won't be surprised that even if they blamed extinction of dinosaurs on Iran.

if they were indeed iranian , they were kurdish

 

[faithfulguy]

Al Queda element in Iran do not even compute, most experts figure that out.

Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot - latimes.com

Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot

Police in Canada said Monday that two men suspected of plotting to derail a passenger train were guided by Al Qaeda elements in Iran, but the statement surprised many experts who study terrorism in the Middle East and Iran.



“It frankly doesn’t compute for me,” said Barbara Slavin, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. "If there is any link, I would think it was extremely tangential."

Iran and Al Qaeda have frequently had chilly relations, according to Slavin and other experts. Iran is majority Shiite, while Al Qaeda is firmly Sunni. In Syria, Al Qaeda has jumped into the fray alongside opposition fighters while Iran has backed President Bashar Assad. Iran has also held Al Qaeda members in the country under house arrest, monitoring their activities. Documents confiscated from Osama bin Laden's hide-out in Pakistan and released last year suggested discord between the two.

Canadian police said there was no reason to believe that the plotted attacks were sponsored by any state, which would mean the Iranian government was not involved. Police provided no further details regarding the alleged involvement of Al Qaeda elements in Iran in the plot.

Even if Iran and Al Qaeda share some of the same enemies, “it’s not like Iranians are going to allow a Sunni terrorist group to plan an attack that might result in more hostilities against the Shiite nation of Iran,” said Rick “Ozzie” Nelson, a former U.S. counter-terrorism official and a senior affiliate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “There’s no love lost between them.”

If Al Qaeda members detained in Iran were able to continue orchestrating attacks, that could mean members of the terrorist group have more freedom there than previously believed, Nelson said. That might mean they were able to plot an attack without being detected by Iranian authorities.

The question could be, "How much of this was them just not paying attention?" Nelson said.
Not everyone has been skeptical of the idea that Iran and Al Qaeda could team up, however. “Iran appears willing to expand its limited relationship with Al Qaeda,” Rand Corp. senior political scientist Seth G. Jones wrote in Foreign Affairs magazine last year. Al Qaeda would probably reject any direction from Iran, he wrote, but “any support or tentative permission to plot on Iran’s soil would be helpful.”
The U.S. Treasury Department said in October that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda to operate a pipeline moving money and fighters to support Al Qaeda activities in South Asia. While Sunni extremists often consider Shiites to be “heretics,” some Shiite extremists have tried to forge alliances, said Jeffrey M. Bale, a senior researcher at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. Al Qaeda members are believed to have gotten training from Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon in the past.

“It’s extremely complicated and murky,” Bale said. Iran itself is not a monolith, he added, and different parts of its military and clerical establishment might weigh working with Al Qaeda differently.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

Al Queda element in Iran do not even compute, most experts figure that out.

Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot - latimes.com

Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot

Police in Canada said Monday that two men suspected of plotting to derail a passenger train were guided by Al Qaeda elements in Iran, but the statement surprised many experts who study terrorism in the Middle East and Iran.



“It frankly doesn’t compute for me,” said Barbara Slavin, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. "If there is any link, I would think it was extremely tangential."

Iran and Al Qaeda have frequently had chilly relations, according to Slavin and other experts. Iran is majority Shiite, while Al Qaeda is firmly Sunni. In Syria, Al Qaeda has jumped into the fray alongside opposition fighters while Iran has backed President Bashar Assad. Iran has also held Al Qaeda members in the country under house arrest, monitoring their activities. Documents confiscated from Osama bin Laden's hide-out in Pakistan and released last year suggested discord between the two.

Canadian police said there was no reason to believe that the plotted attacks were sponsored by any state, which would mean the Iranian government was not involved. Police provided no further details regarding the alleged involvement of Al Qaeda elements in Iran in the plot.

Even if Iran and Al Qaeda share some of the same enemies, “it’s not like Iranians are going to allow a Sunni terrorist group to plan an attack that might result in more hostilities against the Shiite nation of Iran,” said Rick “Ozzie” Nelson, a former U.S. counter-terrorism official and a senior affiliate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “There’s no love lost between them.”

If Al Qaeda members detained in Iran were able to continue orchestrating attacks, that could mean members of the terrorist group have more freedom there than previously believed, Nelson said. That might mean they were able to plot an attack without being detected by Iranian authorities.

The question could be, "How much of this was them just not paying attention?" Nelson said.
Not everyone has been skeptical of the idea that Iran and Al Qaeda could team up, however. “Iran appears willing to expand its limited relationship with Al Qaeda,” Rand Corp. senior political scientist Seth G. Jones wrote in Foreign Affairs magazine last year. Al Qaeda would probably reject any direction from Iran, he wrote, but “any support or tentative permission to plot on Iran’s soil would be helpful.”
The U.S. Treasury Department said in October that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda to operate a pipeline moving money and fighters to support Al Qaeda activities in South Asia. While Sunni extremists often consider Shiites to be “heretics,” some Shiite extremists have tried to forge alliances, said Jeffrey M. Bale, a senior researcher at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. Al Qaeda members are believed to have gotten training from Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon in the past.

“It’s extremely complicated and murky,” Bale said. Iran itself is not a monolith, he added, and different parts of its military and clerical establishment might weigh working with Al Qaeda differently.

analysts wouldn't be surprised if they watched some news , canadian - iranian relations are at a historical low , infact american - iranians relations are currently better , canada currently does not own an embassy in iran and vice versa , canada is being a classic example of the black kettle and pot

 

[Silverblaze]

We have like 5 arab sunnis roaming around down in Khouzestan! lol most of our sunnis aren't even arab. Plus, the names in OP's article aren't Iranian names, they're Pakistani/arab names. PLUS, why would the Iranian regime support its enemies? I can go on.

Canada has become a bigger slave to Israel than the US. For example, Canada was the only nation that supported Israel in the 06 Gaza War, every single nation on the planet either absteined from voting or voted against Israel at the UN, bar Canada and Israel itself.

The neocons of the US make our conservatives look like liberals from Norway.

Very true. They have actually made fool of themselves. Since the Iraq war, Iran is the enemy of these groups because it favors a Shiite govt there.

However, the more anti immigrant rhetoric would continue.

 

[faithfulguy]

analysts wouldn't be surprised if they watched some news , canadian - iranian relations are at a historical low , infact american - iranians relations are currently better , canada currently does not own an embassy in iran and vice versa , canada is being a classic example of the black kettle and pot

Canada/Iran relationship. Canada is making a big deal when it has zero reach to middle east except piggy back on the US. So their claims should be irrelevant except create a thread on PDF.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

Very true. They have actually made fool of themselves. Since the Iraq war, Iran is the enemy of these groups because it favors a Shiite govt there.

However, the more anti immigrant rhetoric would continue.

I think it's tied to the current situation in syria ! if you watch arabic news channels there 's an ongoing clash between hezballah and FSA , so canada simply decided to troll the news papers on this one with their lumberjack ignorance and comment on the whole sunni-shiite clash

 

[Rusty]

"Tip from imam led police to ‘first known al-Qaeda plan of attack that we’ve experienced’ "

Tip from imam led police to

Turns out the Muslim community were the ones who turned them in.
Kudos, we need to sequester these nut jobs who make the Muslim community a target for bigots and hate mongers.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

"Tip from imam led police to ‘first known al-Qaeda plan of attack that we’ve experienced’ "

Tip from imam led police to

Turns out the Muslim community were the ones who turned them in.
Kudos, we need to sequester these nut jobs who make the Muslim community a target for bigots and hate mongers.

too bad that fact is not on the news

 

[faithfulguy]

"Tip from imam led police to ‘first known al-Qaeda plan of attack that we’ve experienced’ "

Tip from imam led police to

Turns out the Muslim community were the ones who turned them in.
Kudos, we need to sequester these nut jobs who make the Muslim community a target for bigots and hate mongers.

This is how things should work. Since the Muslim community has the most knowledge of the extremists, they would be in the forefront on preventing the terror attacks. Spread this news far and wide.

 

[Silverblaze]

"Tip from imam led police to ‘first known al-Qaeda plan of attack that we’ve experienced’ "

Tip from imam led police to

Turns out the Muslim community were the ones who turned them in.
Kudos, we need to sequester these nut jobs who make the Muslim community a target for bigots and hate mongers.

That wont stop them from spreading hate. Anti immigrant, Anti muslim sentiments are encouraged by some.
Hope better sense prevails.

 

[Rusty]

This is how things should work. Since the Muslim community has the most knowledge of the extremists, they would be in the forefront on preventing the terror attacks. Spread this news far and wide.

This is how things actually do work, the vast majority of "Muslim terrorist" that have been caught, have been caught by Muslim community tips and turn ins. The problem is that your media never reports this due to their hatred of Muslims and Islam.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Chiheb Esseghaier, 30, and Raed Jaser, 35,

These names sound weird. Don't even sound Arab to me.