Can Pakistan Upgrade the two Agosta-70s in 2003?

[Bossman]

do Pakistan navy has any plan to overhaul 2 of its agosta 70 submarines??...I know they are gonna overhaul 2 og agosta 90s though.

Pakistan has been overhauling/rebuilding submarine since the early 70s. No big deal here.

 

[kaykay]

Pakistan has been overhauling/rebuilding submarine since the early 70s. No big deal here.

I am specifically asking about agosta70s...any update??

 

[Bossman]

I am specifically asking about agosta70s...any update??

Yes they have been upgraded with the Submarine Tactical Integrated Combat System (SUBTICS). All the Agosta 90s have the same system as well as AIP.

 

[Alphacharlie]

Is it worth upgrading 30 yr old Machine !!

 

[kaykay]

Is it worth upgrading 30 yr old Machine !!

I guess agosta 70s are on the verge of retirement so no overhaul possible now.

 

[fatman17]

already upgraded and still a potent platform

 

[acetophenol]

Is it worth upgrading 30 yr old Machine !!

Most Machines,especially submarines just don't go bad except when its badly built.
Don't think I am derailing the thread,let me tell you an example from India.
MiG 27 and Jaguar. Both of them entered the service in about the same time. Jaguars were license produced by HAL while MiG 27s were assembled here. The Jaguars were well built that they have undergone several local upgrades,now even has FBW and will power us until 2025 or beyond.
While the MiG 27s,even though the HAL came out with an awesome upgrade plan,the airframe has gone bad and hence the retirement has begun.
My point is,its indeed worth it.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I think Time to upgrade the 2 Augusta 70B are over , since these subs are 33-34 Yrs old

First Navy is not given enough Funds by GOP, bad practice. Second PN had chance to buy couple of decommissioned French Agosta 90s and upgraded it to PN Agosta standards which were not in bad shape and could have given them 2 decades of live good enough the modernization would have cost 1/3 the price of new...we have some bad decision makers.

 

[fatman17]

see post no 36. the boats are upgraded.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

First Navy is not given enough Funds by GOP, bad practice. Second PN had chance to buy couple of decommissioned French Agosta 90s and upgraded it to PN Agosta standards which were not in bad shape and could have given them 2 decades of live good enough the modernization would have cost 1/3 the price of new...we have some bad decision makers.

I agree bro, the way the "Navy" have been neglected by the top brass of our defense establishment is nothing less then treason, PN have all the potentials to become a strong "Green Water Navy", yet the decision makers have not been able to make the distinction between defending the coastline theory & the importance of securing the supply route (which has the most vital aspect from a strategic point )

 

[Luftwaffe]

I agree bro, the way the "Navy" have been neglected by the top brass of our defense establishment is nothing less then treason, PN have all the potentials to become a strong "Green Water Navy", yet the decision makers have not been able to make the distinction between defending the coastline theory & the importance of securing the supply route (which has the most vital aspect from a strategic point )

Now Gawadar has become so important to us that had those 2 Agosta 90s been in service it would have been deployed to Gawadar sector. Can you imagine we've only 3 front line submarines to protect. Where as rest of the world is making their Navies as the most strongest Arm we have weaken it.

I am not including A70s and mini subs.

Pakistan is producing massive income you can imagine in past 5 years bureaucrats, politicians have made billions of rupees literally per person from raja, gilani, zardari sharif brothers to their children and in laws imagine if that money was channeled towards something productive. So i am forced to say there is no shortage of Funds but shortage of men to make real noise in the name of emergency Funds.