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Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India?

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Who returned lands? China? When?

Chinese forces just advanced a bit and then retreated in a battlefield. China called a ceasefire because they did not want to lose Tibet and Xinjiang to India.

You are misinformed or maybe just living in a different reality. Even neutral sources state the Chinese vacated lands after they had reached the borders that they claimed were the true borders of Indo-China. You should do some more research India was not what concerned China and also like I said why exactly did China retain Aksai Chin if they were so scared yet relinquished their NE gains???
 
Can the history of India’s humiliation at the hands of China in 1962 repeat itself? As we approach the 50th anniversary of the humiliation next month, we have to analyse this question in depth in our governmental national security community as well as outside. It is important for the National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS) to organise a series of brainstorming on this subject with the participation of experts on China from the government and outside.

The starting point of such a brainstorming has to be a presumption that the present efforts to solve our border dispute with China through talks may not succeed and that we may be confronted with a fresh military confrontation in the future. Should such a confrontation arise, are we better prepared to face it today than we were in 1962? If not, what are the deficiencies, and how do we remove them?

It is important for us to objectively identify the factors that led to the 1962 humiliation and examine to what extent they have been addressed. It is also important to foresee what kind of new factors that were not seen in 1962 could arise and what implications they could have for our capabilities.

It is my view that our ability to prevent another humiliation in the future would depend upon our trans-Himalayan military strategy and capability as it did in 1962. The roles of the Army and the Air Force in such a strategy will be pre-eminent. The role of the Navy will be marginal. It will be our trans-Himalayan strategic mindset and tactical thinking that will determine the future course of any new military confrontation with China as it did in 1962.

I would identify the following as the basic causes of our humiliation of 1962:

(a) Though our civilian and military intelligence agencies had a satisfactory capability to collect infrastructure intelligence from Tibet, their capability to collect war indicators from Tibet was very poor. They detected in time the clandestine Chinese construction of roads such as the Aksai Chin road in the Western sector, but they missed the Chinese preparations for a military foray into our territory. The Chinese attack on our positions must have been preceded by weeks, if not months, of preparations on the ground in Tibet. The war indicators caused by such preparations were missed by our intelligence agencies.

(b) Our capability to analyse and assess China-related intelligence was inadequate. Even the limited intelligence flowing from Tibet from human and technical sources was not subjected to vigorous analysis and assessment. Our knowledge and assessment of the Chinese military thinking and mindset were poor. We hardly knew anything about the India expertise in the PLA and the Chinese intelligence. As a result, we seriously underestimated the Chinese political and military will to assert their ground interests across the Himalayas and over-assessed and over-projected our capability to anticipate and neutralise any Chinese assertion of their will.

(c) Inadequate professionalism in our armed forces and their inability to foresee different scenarios that could arise and identify the available options. This lack of professionalism was seen right across the board—from the failure to procure the military stores that would be required for a trans-Himalayan war to re-adapting the training of our officers. The Army went into war with very little training and experience in mountain warfare and with very few equipment for such a warfare.

(d) The inexperience of our political leadership in military-related decision-making and in enforcing the implementation of the decisions taken.

My assessment of the present position regarding these factors is as follows:

(a) Our intelligence collection capability in Tibet has improved. Our intelligence agencies are unlikely to miss war indicators in Tibet as badly as they did in 1962.

(b) Our analysis and assessment capability has improved over what it was in 1962, but continues to be inadequate. The Chinese language capability of our national security community is worse than what it was in 1962 and in the years immediately thereafter. Our ability to understand and analyse the Chinese military mindset and thinking continues to be poor. Whatever capability we have built up in this regard has been largely influenced by Western thinking and analysis without an independent application of our mind. Our analysis and assessment infrastructure in respect of China-related intelligence lags behind our analysis and assessment infrastructure in respect of Pakistan-related intelligence. We can anticipate, analyse and counter Pakistan better than we can China. There are wild swings in our assessments on China—from alarmism on the one side to total complacency on the other.

(c) The professionalism of our armed forces has improved. They are better equipped, better trained and better led for a trans-Himalayan warfare today. But there is a lack of convergence of thinking between the Army and the Air Force on the one side and the Navy on the other as to what China implies for our national security and armed forces. There is inadequate integrated joint staff thinking in the armed forces as a whole on China. There is a newly-acquired fascination for naval power and an inadequate appreciation of the continuing importance of military (Army related) and air power.

(d) The understanding of our political class in matters relating to strategic decision-making on China is inadequate though it is better than what it was in 1962 and the years before. There is a clear understanding in our political class of China as a political and economic competitor, but inadequate comprehension of China as a military factor.

Two new factors that have made their appearance since 1962 have not received adequate attention in our national security community:

(a) The Chinese search for alternative means of taking India by surprise. In 1962, they took us by surprise because our intelligence agencies had little capability for collecting war indictors from the ground in Tibet. The Chinese no longer enjoy this advantage. The increasing Chinese emphasis on the role of the helicopter-borne operations of their Army has to be seen in the context of their search for new means of taking India by surprise—particularly in Arunachal Pradesh. The equipping and training of the copter wing of their Army is receiving increasing attention with some major exercises already noticed.

(b) The Chinese testing and fine-tuning of integrated techniques of an Army-Air Force role in defending Tibet from external threats and in asserting their will trans-Himalayas. There has been an increase in the number of Air Force exercises in Tibet. There is inadequate knowledge of Chinese Air Force exercises in Yunnan, but my surmise is that in any future military confrontation with India, the Chinese will use their Air Force defensively from Tibet and offensively from Yunnan.

In 1962, the entire North Myanmar was a political, administrative and military vacuum. The Myanmar government presence has since improved in the Rakhine (old Arakan) and Chin areas bordering Bangladesh, but remains the same in the Kachin State bordering Yunnan. The Kachin State and Yunnan are very important in any trans-Himalayan military strategy. We continue to neglect these two important regions from the point of view of our intelligence coverage as we were doing before 1962. Kachin State is important for defending our North-East in any new confrontation with China. Rakhine State is important for our Indian Ocean objectives and our energy security.

I do not consider it necessary to touch upon the nuclear aspect in this analysis. It has to be discussed in camera.

Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India? | Firstpost

Humiliation other chinese illusions of grandeur its border skirmish that ended in a draw the Indian military was still capable of fighting you have to destroy the Indian army capabilities to retaliate which the mafia army did not do it was a skirmish that nobody won nothing more.
 
Humiliation other chinese illusions of grandeur its border skirmish that ended in a draw the Indian military was still capable of fighting you have to destroy the Indian army capabilities to retaliate which the mafia army did not do it was a skirmish that nobody won nothing more.

You say that because you are Filipino and the Chinese are bullying your nation. :whistle:
 
New Delhi : Amid New Delhi's concerns over growing military ties between Beijing and Colombo, Sri Lanka's envoy Prasad Kariyawasam has said there is no zero-sum game between India and China. He said his country will not be reduced to a stage for the two rising Asian powers to play out their "rivalry".

"We are not in the habit of looking at our relations with India and China as a zero-sum game," the envoy told IANS in an interview here.

"We will not allow our land or sea to be used for any inimical purpose by one country against the other," the envoy said.

Kariyawasam was responding to a question on the recent visit of Chinese Defence Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie to India, which saw the two sides declaring their resolve to enhance defence cooperation in different areas, including non-traditional security.

The visit was preceded by a slew of announcements that included China pledging $100 million for the construction of facilities in Sri Lanka army camps to be set up in the the north and east, and around $600 million for phase II of the Hambantota port project, envisaged as an international hub to consolidate Sri Lanka's status as a container trans-shipment centre in South Asia.

The envoy rejected concerns raised by sections of the strategic community in India about Colombo's growing military and economic ties with Beijing, especially after the end of the war with the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. Security analysts were concerned that the heightened China-Sri Lanka cooperation in military and commercial matters could be detrimental to New Delhi's interests in the island nation.

"Why should there be rivalry? We want to use the best commercial opportunities that emanate from the growing economies of both India and China," the envoy said.

In anticipation of India's concerns, Gen Liang had clarified during his visit to Sri Lanka that China's military ties with the island nation were not targeted at any third country.

The envoy underlined that Sri Lanka was just trying to leverage new opportunities thrown up by the rise of India and China and wanted to retain its historic role as a hub of trade in the Indian Ocean region.

"Sri Lanka wants to be a hub of trade in the Indian Ocean, like we always have been in history. The first country to benefit from this approach will be India," he said.

"India and China are today the most powerful and leading countries in Asia. They have managed their relationship without much difficulty.

"Our expectation is that these powers will have the capacity to manage their relations in such a way that the Indian Ocean will remain a zone of peace, a region of peace. That's how Sri Lanka views the Indian Ocean and our relations with our close friend and neighbour India and our friend China."

Underscoring the special relationship between India and Sri Lanka that is rooted in history and culture, the envoy said that the fates of the two neighbours were linked.

"If India is in trouble, we will be in trouble. If Sri Lanka is in trouble, India will be in trouble," he said, plainly.

The envoy's assurances, however, will not calm apprehensive analysts in India.

Chinese military participation in the Sri Lanka joint services exercise "Cormorant III," which started Sep 10 and will go on till Sep 25 in Eastern Vakarai in the Eastern Province has only added to the concerns.

Troops from China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the Maldives are participating in "Cormorant III,". While Indian troops are not participating, it is an exercise Indian observers will keenly watch.

Sri Lanka is no stage for India-China rivalry: Envoy | TwoCircles.net
 
You are misinformed or maybe just living in a different reality. Even neutral sources state the Chinese vacated lands after they had reached the borders that they claimed were the true borders of Indo-China. You should do some more research India was not what concerned China and also like I said why exactly did China retain Aksai Chin if they were so scared yet relinquished their NE gains???

I think Henderson Brooks Report differs from what you are saying here after reading Wikipedia.

If it was so easy to solve problem as you said, then why today China says Arunachal Pradesh is South Tibet? Or you think entire Arunachal Pradesh was just some border problem?

And China was able to take Aksai Chin because it lost Ladakh to India. Aksai Chin had no strategic value to India because it was a barren land covered with snow and is only 14,380 sq mi. But in comparison, South Tibet/Arunachal Pradesh being rich in natural resources and highly fertile, is 83,743 sq km. Plus Ladakh which came to India is 86,904 sq km.

So in total India gained: 83,743 + 86,904 = 170,647 sq km. Plus Sikkim 7,096 sq km. which means total 177,743 sq km.

So India gained 177,743 sq km fertile and rich natural resourceful lands and China 14,380 sq mi barren lands. You call China gain a strategic victory? Are you serious?
 
Bro in talk only in real fight they will run away faster than hussain bolt:lol:

lol..still in 62 ....and for u it was a war!!!!...and in fact, after that so called war it was your army who ran away.....if u did not have the guts, why d heck you attacked? and after many decades u r still claiming the same peace of land!....so how was it your victory?? you just timed it right when the leadership in India was wrong..had it Indira Gandhi or Patel, all your half inches would have met their parents in hell... :devil:
 
You say that because you are Filipino and the Chinese are bullying your nation. :whistle:

Am saying it because its the true it was nothing to do with the Philippines if they think people like the Indian are push over then they will fail badly what i said was fare tactical analysis of said conflict base on what i read about warfare nothing more
 
It will be humiliation for china this time around. I see lot of chinese and their cheerleader girls still stuck in 1962. Wake up and smell the coffee

If india mess with china again, there wont be an indian civilization.
india will be completely wiped off the map.

indians can only dream and fantasize about beating china. It will never happen in reality.

dream on.

Still India will capture and annex Tibet. For that reason only, India is still spending tax payers' money giving shelter to the Tibetans in India and their exiled govt. Well, there is no free lunch for the Tibetans because they will have to fight for India in times of war. They know it very well. Annexing Tibet and Xinjiang will give India an unparalleled status in Asia. US and Russia will support India in its mission which could not be completed in 1962 war.

:lol: dream on.

happy 50th anniversary.

wear the humiliation as a badge of honour.
 
Thank you China for inflicting 1962 Defeat on us Because of which we started raising our Military.

China was a Dear Friend which attacked us. In 1962 Indian Army Strength stood at Mere 80,000 troops which fought against an Army which was 1.2 Million.

Each and Every war after 1962 was astounding sucess 1965, 1967 China Border Skirmish1971,1984, 1987 Indo China Skirmish China backed off .


During 1962 War Indian Regiments -Rajput/ Gorkha stood till last man

2nd Rajput under the command of Lt. Col. M.S. Rikh were at Walong in early 1962 and were moved to the banks of the Namka Chu river by October 10 as a part of 7 Infantry Brigade. The brigade was stretched on a twelve mile front along the Namka Chu, with the marching time from one end to the other being five days. A massive assault came on the Rajput front and in the fierce fighting that ensured, in spite of heavy odds against them the Rajputs did not give in and fought until last man standing.
Major Dharam Thapa- Repulsed 3 Attacks by China and stood till last bullet then went on Bayonet charging.
Jaswant Singh Rawat hammered Chinese attacks. There are many more stories of Valour - where we fought till last bullet.

PLA never won any war when they fought against real armies in Past.

Most Important Wars for PLA were pure DEFEAT
1950-1954 Korea War where PLA was defeated along with NKA and pushed too 36th Parallel with 150,000 casualties
1969 to 1978 - Sino Soviet Border Conflict - Over 9000 killed.


Anyone boasting can walk over Living in Illusion...

IAF - 660 Fighters after sqn being number plated, 190 MKIs
IN - 8 Destroyer, 15 Frigates, 24 Corvettes, 15 Subs
Army - Standing Army 1.3 Million + 3,50000 BSF + 30000 Assam Rifles, 1,50000 ITBP, 50,000 (Ladakh Scouts/Arunachal Scouts). Not Including Paramilitary which stand at 1.2 Million
 
The culminating point: either Tibet would have been part of India or Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh would have been part of China as according to the respective missions of India and China before the conflict broke out.

Tezpur was evacuated in advance because the entire northeast India was considered as the theater of war by the Indian strategists. It does not necessarily mean Chinese had the intention to come to Tezpur. And also, Indians from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar who had earlier settled in Assam were temporarily evacuated not the Chinese looking tribals or low caste mountain dwellers of Assam and other northeast states. Please study more about that evacuation.

Indian military power would have gradually grown at the same rate with or without any conflict with anybody. Growth of military power depends on many factors not on a single conflict.

We did not gain territory, and they did gain Aksai Chin which lies on their side of the border now. They left Arunachal Pradesh due to logistics problems, but we made no actual, short term gains from the conflict. We made a long term one, that our government realised that we have no powerful friendly neighbour, and we need to modernise. This is why we are now a powerful nation.
 
If india mess with china again, there wont be an indian civilization.
india will be completely wiped off the map.

indians can only dream and fantasize about beating china. It will never happen in reality.

dream on.



:lol: dream on.

happy 50th anniversary.

wear the humiliation as a badge of honour.

lol, Chinese wet dreams. If you think you guys are/were capable of wiping out India, rest assured you're government would have done it long ago. They haven't done it, 'coz they know that at the moment, any war will end in a stalemate.
 
EzioAltaïr;3419719 said:
lol, Chinese wet dreams. If you think you guys are/were capable of wiping out India, rest assured you're government would have done it long ago. They haven't done it, 'coz they know that at the moment, any war will end in a stalemate.

:lol: right.

china has no historical problems with india except for the border issue.
only japan is our true enemy from centuries of history.

india never even gets mentioned in chinese media, vast majority of chinese are neutral on india.
while in indian media you guys are obsessed with everything china.

we are competing against the US, not against jokes like india.
 
The outnumbered Indian has a better kill ratio. And it was a battle not a war. Can China do the same now? No once knows. However, the Indian military has become far too powerful, it would be a mistake to think that anyone can simply humiliate India.
 
The outnumbered Indian has a better kill ratio. And it was a battle not a war. Can China do the same now? No once knows. However, the Indian military has become far too powerful, it would be a mistake to think that anyone can simply humiliate India.

:lol: right and im sure you think the USSR won the cold war too.

dream on.
 
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