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Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India?

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What in your mind was the ' culminating point' that was not reached ?

If this was not a defeat ( read rout) when areas as far deep as Tezpur were begun to be evacuated I wonder what will be.

Yet, the defeat did us good - it shook the nation to its roots and shed the complacency and was the foundation to the victory nine years later.

Firstly, it's an Indian author who has aptly titled the article.
Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India?

And in an India/China scenario, you have indirectly dragged in Pakistan by jumping the nine year gun.....then again we could talk about the 1965 defeat after the '62 humiliation or the 2002 stand off.... but then that would be off topic. !!
 
YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN DID PAKISTAN DEFEATED INDIAN IN A WAR???? :hang2:


Any Credible Links to prove the Crap!!!!
 
Apparently, I see many Fifty ***** **** chest thumping here what has stopped them from 50 years??? DUD Indian Weapons ???? :azn:
 
Firstly, it's an Indian author who has aptly titled the article.
Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India?

And in an India/China scenario, you have indirectly dragged in Pakistan by jumping the nine year gun.....then again we could talk about the 1965 defeat after the '62 humiliation or the 2002 stand off.... but then that would be off topic. !!


Kudos to your generals for brainwashing you :tup: and keep it in ur brain only :)
 
sure japan will repeat history by getting two more atomic bombs but this time is it chinese made:rofl:
you know what they say about made-in-china. . .

on a serious note: after all the huffing n puffing, both sides will calm down and it will be business as usual.
 
Actually lets get real. Yes there was a military and political failure from India's part that failed to figure out Chinese Motives. But that was a long long time ago. And the reasons India lost was simply because:

1. Intelligence Failure: This has substantially improved. India today has spy satellites and other ways of recon, and I dont think the Chinese can surprise us as they did in 1962.

2. Military technology, training: India has far better tech, and training than it did in 1962. Back then, both countries did not use their airforce or navies (cant be used I guess). China simply attacked along a 1000 mile front, and outnumbered us 9 times. So it would have been an even battle had India had the numbers. We were 12000 men, while China had about 90,000.

3. Mutually Assured Destruction: Both nuclear states, I dont think a war will be encouraged by either side.

So in short, no, China wouldn't be able to repeat what they did in 1962 today. The only thing that may probably happen, is a stalemate after a month or two of fighting.

Hope there is a War in Between Japan and China....and Japan Repeats History.

Please dont say that. Do you know what horror the Japanese unleashed on the poor Chinese folks in north east China? Reading about it makes me shudder. Check out Unit 701. Enemies or rivals, treating human beings like animals is not something I will ever stand for, endorse or even joke about ^^
 
Lets not talk about 62, not relevant any more
This time around, If India and China went to war, I guess, all SEA countries will take advantage and gain out of it, this will help India immensely, Vietnam and Japan will take over whats their, so will Philippines and others

On the other hand, Nobody will help and support China. Not even Pakistan (minus the Internet warriors) as USA wont let them participate and most probably will help India covertly, although am not sure bout the help part
 
Lets not talk about 62, not relevant any more
This time around, If India and China went to war, I guess, all SEA countries will take advantage and gain out of it, this will help India immensely, Vietnam and Japan will take over whats their, so will Philippines and others

On the other hand, Nobody will help and support China. Not even Pakistan (minus the Internet warriors) as USA wont let them participate and most probably will help India covertly, although am not sure bout the help part


Pls stay silent...and do not tell the Chinese!
That will be surely a good chance for us to take advantage in some areas.
 
I feel pity for Indians. You are really our weakest neighbour. We want make peace with you but should not invite us to humiliate you a second time.

You are much poorer, less developed, not respected as G8 or UN5, largest importer of weapons, worlds' focus of toilet problems...

Let the Chinese play the 21 century and Indians the 22 century...


seems you have little problem to utilize your high iq....... weak country? lolz first try to touch vietnam. then come to us.
 
Wishful thinking over China's military capabilities

Our national trait for wishful thinking often worries me.

A rationally argued assumption is an important part of strategic thinking. A wishful thought with no rational basis is not. I had pointed out in some of my articles in the past how we often confuse wishful thinking for strategic analysis. Some, if not many of those, who have made a name in our country as strategic analysts, are actually wishful thinkers. There are many wishful thinkers even in our security bureaucracy.

These observations have been triggered by some e-mailed comments received by me on my article of September 17, asking whether our humiliation of 1962 by China can repeat itself. The majority of those who have argued that the question of another incident like 1962 does not arise have given two reasons, both of which appear to me to be nothing but wishful thoughts.

The first is that the Chinese are no longer in a position to spring a trans-Himalayan surprise on us as they did in 1962. The second is that the strong navy that we have built up since 1962 will act as a deterrent to any more trans-Himalayan adventurism by the People's Liberation Army. According to them, our navy is in a position to disrupt Chinese energy supplies across the Indian Ocean and without assured energy supplies, the Chinese would not be able to indulge in any adventurism across the Himalayas.

I feel uncomfortable with both these wishful thoughts. Before October 1962, our political leaders had so convinced themselves about the superiority of our army over the PLA that they thought that all they had to do was to order our army to throw out the illegal Chinese posts in our territory in the north-east and it would do so without any problems. Then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru [ Images ] and then defence minister VK Krishna Menon were living in a world of wishful thinking. Nehru openly went around saying that he had asked the army to throw out the Chinese. The Chinese took note of his statements, which proved to have been irresponsible in retrospect, and launched a pre-emptive act of retaliation to neutralise our army's capability for throwing out the Chinese posts and inflict humiliation.

That kind of wishful thinking about the relative strengths of the two armies and air forces is fortunately not there now. We take each other's trans-Himalayan capabilities with a lot of realism. Realistic thinking and analysis are the foundation of good strategic thinking.

But I notice a new wishful thought clouding our strategic thinking presently and that is about the perceived superiority of our navy over the Chinese navy in the Indian Ocean. I am confident that the Chinese navy will not be able to disrupt our energy supplies across the Indian Ocean but I do not share the confidence of those who have commented on my article -- that our navy would be able to disrupt Chinese energy supplies and that the realisation of this will deter any trans-Himalayan adventure by the Chinese.

The Chinese are realistic geo-strategic thinkers and planners. They know energy inadequacy could turn out to be their weak point in any future military confrontation with any external power. They have been trying to build up their strategic reserves and diversifying their sources of supply and means of having the supplies reach them. Their energy security diversification plan speaks well of their strategic foresight. I wish we had similar foresight.

So, to think and argue that our navy has become a deterrent to Chinese designs and intentions would be unwise. Moreover, in our thinking, we should try to visualise what role the Pakistani navy will seek to play in the event of another military conflict between India and China. We should be prepared with a contingency plan for the eventuality that the Pakistani navy will try to keep some of our ships bottled up near the western ports so that we can't use them against the Chinese.

If there is another military conflict between India and China, it is not going to be a replication of the 1962 war. The PLA is not going to move into our territory on foot and motor vehicles and occupy territory after overpowering our posts, as they did in 1962.

In my view, the most likely scenario is that copter-borne, specially trained units of the PLA will take our armed forces by surprise by undertaking an occupation of Tawang and Itanagar in Arunachal Pradesh. They will then try to force us to concede Chinese sovereignty over Tawang in return for their conceding our sovereignty over Itanagar and the rest of Arunachal Pradesh. I also expect the copter-borne PLA forces will come not from the Tibet [ Images ] Autonomous Region, but from Qinghai, Gansu or Sichuan.

We are now in a better position than we were in 1962 to detect Chinese preparations for a classical military strike from the TAR. Are we in a position to detect and neutralise a copter-borne invasion from bases outside the TAR? What are the other scenarios possible? What would be the options available to us?

Those are the questions that we in governmental and non-governmental circles should examine with our feet firmly on the ground and without any wishful thinking.

My articles on the forthcoming 50th anniversary of the 1962 humiliation should not be misinterpreted to mean that I have probably lost faith in the possibility of a negotiated solution of the border dispute with China. I have not. I greatly respect the pragmatism of the Chinese political and military leadership.

When China initiated the military conflict with India in 1962, they were a poor country with a primitive economy. They did not have to worry about the likely impact of a military conflict on their economy and on the livelihood of their people.

Today, China is a major influential economic and military power, itching to catch up with the United States. Any military conflict with India could have a worrisome impact on their economy. Their interest in keeping their economy sustained and flourishing has made them a cautious power -- more cautious than they were in 1962. They would avoid a military confrontation as far as possible.

At the same time, I am disturbed to notice the doggedness with which they have been pursuing their territorial sovereignty claims -- whether with us in Arunachal Pradesh or with some Association of Southeast Asian Nations powers about the South China Sea islands or with Japan [ Images ] about the East China Sea islands.

This doggedness should forewarn us that if an opportunity presented itself, they may not hesitate to seek a military solution to the border dispute.

Chinese strategic thinking is marked by a mix of pragmatism and opportunism. We should not unwittingly create a tempting opportunity for them by our lack of military preparedness.

Wishful thinking over China's military capabilities - Rediff.com India News
 
What is just going on Some time HINDI CHINI bhai bhai and now this one
 
Can China repeat its 1962 military humiliation of India?

NO. any such attempt will result in huge damage on both the sides, which was not the case in 1962.
 
The Chinese are trying to make friends at the moment. They have antagonized enough countries over the south China sea. They don't want angry neighbors in all directions all at once. They are not stupid.

If war broke out today the PRC has a major edge in conventional forces and infrastructure that would force India to go nuclear, regardless of the no first use doctrine. That's my 2 cents.
 
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