Can anyone tell me why India and Pakistan don’t get along?

[imperialmen]

self deleted! gosh!

 

[ajtr]

And what a liar you are. Here is what I posted in the other thread.

As for the Deva Dasis, you look up and you will find that they are not slaves but were socially accepted as equals.(if only you would know better about the Indian history) - Many of them have gone into prostitution and have been abolished as a practice and that is why TN has none and in Karnataka and Andhra their nos are decreasing. And as for you suggesting killing the women, I suggest you change your outlook as this is 21st century.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...torious-why-country-mess-4.html#ixzz25yOP7tbJ

Was Jayalalitha a devdaassi before she became actress ?

 

[Sashan]

Was Jayalalitha a devdaassi before she became actress ?

That is what I thought and seem to have read before. I think her mother is from Dev Dasi community. But I looked up now in wikipedia but it shows that she is from middleclass family.

My bad - I misread it as Jaya Prada. Not sure about Jayalalitha except her grandmom is from Mysore Maharaja's palace.

 

[harpoon]

Its you who quoted the rankings not me.

To show you that women in Pakistan needs AK 47 (one of your pet projects) more than women in India.

IWhen did that happen?or is it that you got so incensed with pk_baloach's post that you are on a mission to show everyone the mirror.except that you are not interested to see into your own home.

Yes...Pakistanis like you have no business teaching us Indians on our situation on women. You have more problems than us and doesn't give you the right to take the moral high ground.

only a fool will compare the domestic violence with sexual ones which forms the major part of the violence on women.A woman can survive from a physical violence but sexual violence kills her soul.

And how did you reached that conclusion and then again I observe that whenever a sex racket is busted in my state the king pin or the right hand too the king pin is always a woman who keeps the girls in check. So my theory of women being the greatest enemy of women stands..right from the mother who teaches their daughter to be docile, to the saas who uses her son to have physical assault on her bahu or the 'Madam' ho runs the prostitution etc etc.

That is what I thought and seem to have read before. I think her mother is from Dev Dasi community. But I looked up now in wikipedia but it shows that she is from middleclass family.

She belong to an Iyengar Brahmin house.

 

[Sashan]

physical assault on her bahu or the 'Madam' ho runs the prostitution etc etc.




She belong to an Iyengar Brahmin house.

I know she is an Iyengar Brahmin. read my updated post.

 

[ajtr]

In another thread, an Indian gentleman said that women slavery is still prevalent in modern day India. They are being used as something called Dev Dasis. He said that there are currently 50,000 such women in India.

My God. I thought India was modernizing and is turning into a more open society - and 50,000 slave women in India.

Shameful indeed.

i wonder how different devadaassis whould have been in there times wrt maraasis.

 

[ajtr]

To show you that women in Pakistan needs AK 47 (one of your pet projects) more than women in India

women in Pakistan need bazookas.

Yes...Pakistanis like you have no business teaching us Indians on our situation on women. You have more problems than us and doesn't give you the right to take the moral high ground.

You has no business to tell me that. women be it in india or in pak are my concern coz im not tied by yours moral high ground based on ranking.by the way its you who quoted it not i.

And how did you reached that conclusion and then again I observe that whenever a sex racket is busted in my state the king pin or the right hand too the king pin is always a woman who keeps the girls in check. So my theory of women being the greatest enemy of women stands..right from the mother who teaches their daughter to be docile, to the saas who uses her son to have physical assault on her bahu or the 'Madam' ho runs the prostitution etc etc.

And who are her customers its the men.Its the men who forces women into prostitution.Its the men who rapes/molest/eve tease women.

 

[Ticker]

And what a liar you are. Here is what I posted in the other thread.

As for the Deva Dasis, you look up and you will find that they are not slaves but were socially accepted as equals.(if only you would know better about the Indian history) - Many of them have gone into prostitution and have been abolished as a practice and that is why TN has none and in Karnataka and Andhra their nos are decreasing. And as for you suggesting killing the women, I suggest you change your outlook as this is 21st century.

Yes I am obviously a liar as you project women slavery as a social norm, and in the same breath also mention that many of them turned to prostitution - who forced them into this and what forced them into this and you don't say anything about the role of priests as if I am an illiterate and do not know its history.

The 21st century still hold many a so-called abhorring social and cultural norms in its fold and is still called 21st century.

 

[harpoon]

women in Pakistan need bazookas.

You has no business to tell me that. women be it in india or in pak are my concern coz im not tied by yours moral high ground based on ranking.by the way its you who quoted it not i.

As a citizen of India I have ever right to . You are a Pakistani...first clean up your house. To improve from # 158 to #140 with a 180 million population is not a big task

And who are her customers its the men.Its the men who forces women into prostitution.

Again where is the proof. A lot of women willingly enter this trade. You are like that feminist brigade who wants upliftment for women but is against their freedom of choice even if that meant selling her body or do ****.

Its the men who rapes/molest/eve tease women.

Its the men also who protects women from these people. For every Guwahati incident there are hundreds of incidents where eve teasers were beaten up the mob.

 

[ajtr]

As a citizen of India I have ever right to . You are a Pakistani...first clean up your house. To improve from # 158 to #140 with a 180 million population is not a big task

I've a 1.6 billion population to care off.And i ve as much right in india as you habve and i ve as much right in pakistan as any pakistani has.You worry about your ranking i worry about my work.

Again where is the proof. A lot of women willingly enter this trade. You are like that feminist brigade who wants upliftment for women but is against their freedom of choice even if that meant selling her body or do ****.

Proof of pudding is in eating.Its the men who are the customer.

Its the men also who protects women from these people. For every Guwahati incident there are hundreds of incidents where eve teasers were beaten up the mob.

thats how man wants to show their superiority.The day we start wielding gun men will not even raise their eyes.

 

[harpoon]

I've a 1.6 billion population to care off.And i ve as much right in india as you habve and i ve as much right in pakistan as any pakistani has.You worry about your ranking i worry about my work.

Pick a flag and stick to it.

Proof of pudding is in eating.Its the men who are the customer.

Again you don't want to see the ground reality and want to ride your moral high horse.

thats how man wants to show their superiority.

Not all women belong to feminist brigade like you and need men's help where ever possible.

The day we start wielding gun men will not even raise their eyes.

Pls arm your Pakistani sisters first and improve Pakistan's world ranking

 

[HRK]

Can anyone tell me why India and Pakistan don’t get along?

Bitterness against the other state should in no way impede our right to engage with and visit each other.

In 1950, three years after the partition, my great grandfather, who was living in Dhaka (then Dacca) at the time, was brought to West Bengal, India, by his sons.

This was not a voluntary move, for Charuchandra Dasgupta had lived in Manikganj almost all his life and saw no reason to relocate to what was now an independent India. The communal riots in East Pakistan of that year further pressed the resolve of his sons, who ultimately prevailed upon him and that was the last he ever saw of Dhaka.

In the last week of August, a conflict transformation workshop organised by Women in Security, Conflict Management and Peace (WISCOMP) – a not-for-profit organisation set up with the Nobel Peace Prize money endowed to the Dalai Lama – brought together Pakistani and Indian nationals in New Delhi. They were to engage with one another on issues of importance to both countries (to their credit, this was the 10th edition of this annual feature on WISCOMP’s calendar).

I was a participant in the workshop, and trite as this may sound, the experience holds the possibility of forever changing the way I look at Pakistan and Pakistanis.

I had met Pakistanis before but never engaged with them on a level of intimacy and involution as this time round. What followed in the course of the four-day period at the workshop was very revealing, not only for me but also for every other participant in the programme.

I am by no means hyperbolising when I say that it took just a little over a day for me to make friends with people from ‘across the fence’. In no time at all, we were actually jesting about each other’s stereotypes. So, to illustrate, the Indians were accused of machinating to destroy Lollywood, and Pakistanis were charged with loving India’s cinema more than her people. This was all done in good humour. Of course, there were a few participants who seemed content with keeping to themselves but they were the exceptions.

There were so many points of commonality that it seemed ironic for us to belong to ‘enemy countries’, as a guest speaker also pointed out. If Bollywood was a great unifier, it must be mentioned that our Pakistani friends knew more on the subject than we did, or at least I did.

Our love of musicians from across the border also turned out to be a great topic for discussion. One of the first audio cassettes that I remember buying as a child was Junoon’s Azadi some 15 years ago. On odd days, if you listen very carefully, you can still hear me humming Kyun Parishan.

Why then, if we know so much about each other, do we not seem to get along?

I am afraid that is a very hard question to answer although possibly a simpler question couldn’t be posed. On a superficial level, it might seem very easy to make a list of things we hate about the ‘other’, but on a philosophical level, can we justify that list and swear to ourselves that it would hold true for eternity?

I, too, have my fair share of problems with the Pakistani state just as I’m sure Pakistanis have their share of problems with the Indian state. Today, I might have a more legitimate claim to bitterness against their state but yesterday, perhaps Pakistan did. The Pakistani state will have to reassure the Indian state by doing everything possible to avert another Mumbai.

However, that in no way should impede our right to engage with and visit each other. Making friends and sustaining those friendships is one way we can hope to get out of this quagmire. Also, the whole idea of limited visas wherein most Pakistanis receive permits to visit only one or a few Indian cities, and Indians, too, receive permits to visit only one or a few Pakistani cities needs to be scrapped.

How can one call oneself a South Asian under such throttled circumstances?

Agreed, South Asia is a recent construct and this part of the world has always been known as the Indian subcontinent. But do I not hear peaceniks on either side (not to forget like-minded Bangladeshis, Nepalese and Sri Lankans) hoping to forge a new, post-colonial South Asian identity?

Well, such a thing must be worked for and will not drop, all of a sudden, from the sky.

Our guests (and now friends) from Pakistan have returned home. I hope we stay in touch because after all the geniality and warmth exchanged, the real challenge will lie in our being able to sustain those ties and informing friends and family in our respective countries that the other is, in fact, quite similar.

A partitioned subcontinent need not necessarily mean partitioned people.

Charuchandra Dasgupta, I’m certain, would agree.

Answer is simple “They don’t have any common interest....the day they will have common interest in economy or politics both will start behaving like ACHA BACHOO KI TARHA”......so no need to discuss this question further

I think we should discuss this question “WHAT ARE THE AREAS AND GROUNDS IN WHICH INDIA AND PAKISTAN CAN SHARE COMMON INTEREST.??

 

[curioususer]

Accuracy is not your forte.

Forte or not, what I've written is true for some parts of history.

 

[ajtr]

Pick a flag and stick to it.

My flag dont stop me to work for women either in pak or in india .As a matter of fact it doesnt stop me from working for women in any other country.

Again you don't want to see the ground reality and want to ride your moral high horse.

Its not me who is riding the moral high horse its you who is riding the moral high horse of ranking and comparison.

Not all women belong to feminist brigade like you and need men's help where ever possible.

feminist brigade is for you not for me.My only concern is the protection of women from majority of culprit men.

Pls arm your Pakistani sisters first and improve Pakistan's world ranking

What india and what pakistan i'll recommend every woman on this earth to arm herself.

 

[Bang Galore]

If Indians as you say, claim themselves to be only Indians and not Hindus etc, then why was Ashoka's emblem picked up and not the Muslim or Sikh emblem. These were equally Indian.

Asoka a Hindu ruler? Like parading your ignorance, eh?