British aircraft carrier ‘HMS Eagle’ tried to intervene in 1971 India – Pakistan war

[pulsar220]

I dont think Russian navy was a part of the attack on Karachi harbour. Indian navy did it alone.

yes but it helped us to keep enterprise off our tail

 

[cybertron]

Brings goosebumps when i think of the situation where the russian fleet was protecting the whole area from the bl00dy americans and brits.
They helped us concentrate solely on the war at hand and the karachi harbour attack was possible because we could be sure that we wont be attacked from our back.
nd guess what RUSSIANS have been watching our back forever.

 

[Frank Martin]

We owe a lot to the Russian brothers on this day

 

[KS]

Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembes:

“I received the order from the Chief Commander ‘To not allow access of the American Navy to the Indian military objects’.

- On the way of American Navy stood the Soviet cruisers, destroyers and atomic submarines equipped with anti-ship missiles.

Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembers:

“We encircled them and I have targeted the ‘Enterprise’ by missiles. I have blocked them and didn’t allow enclosing to Karachi, nor to Chittagong or Dhaka”.


Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembers:

“The Chief Commander has order me: ‘Lift the subs when they (the Americans) appear!’ – It was done to demonstrate, there are all the needed in Indian Ocean, including the nuclear submarines. I have lifted them, and they recognized it. Then, we intercepted the American communication.

India-USSR


Also there was a grapewine (not confirmed) that Putin had ordered the Russian ICBMs to be directed at China if China decided to interfere in the 1999 Kargil war as a show of support to India.

 

[pmukherjee]

@ karthic.
That does not seen to be very accurate. One does not have to direct an ICBM towards a target like a rocket launcher. 10 digit coordinates of the target fed into the on board computer will do the trick. As it is, most of these ICBMS are stored in underground silos which point straight up. Likewise for the SLBMs, There is very little scope of pointing these things at anybody, if they are pointing straight up.

Moreover, China of 1999 was not the China of 1971. Yes, Russia has more nuclear warheads today than China, but China has enough to stop anyone from even thinking of using them against it.

What you forget is that Russia, while it is a friendly nation, is not the USSR. Therein lies the hard fact of Indo-Russian relations in the present decade. It is essential to understand the difference between the two entities in order to be able to understand the relationship between India and Russia as it exists today and as it will be in the future.

India is indeed grateful to the USSR for keeping USA and China out of the conflict in 1971 and all the help and support when we needed it the most.

 

[SQ8]

I dont think Russian navy was a part of the attack on Karachi harbour. Indian navy did it alone.

I have heard recordings of Russian vessels conducting combat operations in lieu of the Osa's against Karachi.
The tapes are still there..(now digitized) in the naval archives at Karachi.

Russia was completely involved.

 

[Markus]

I have heard recordings of Russian vessels conducting combat operations in lieu of the Osa's against Karachi.
The tapes are still there..(now digitized) in the naval archives at Karachi.

Russia was completely involved.

Wow! I didn't knew of Soviets conducting military operations in India's West.

I always thought they were on our Eastern side trying to deter the Seventh Fleet from coming too close and to stop them from interfering in Indian operations in Bangladesh.

 

[ares]

I have heard recordings of Russian vessels conducting combat operations in lieu of the Osa's against Karachi.
The tapes are still there..(now digitized) in the naval archives at Karachi.

Russia was completely involved.

What you heard was Indian radio officers conversing with each other in fluent Russian..as communications between two ships(then) was done open MF/HF radio frequencies..Indian navy innovatively used its Russian speaking crew( Indian navy officers posted in Russia as part of the training pro-grammes).

So that inter ship communication if intercepted is not instantly decipherable.

 

[Gabbar]

Dont forget to watch inbeded VIDEOS in that news as well.

 

[pmukherjee]

What you heard was Indian radio officers conversing with each other in fluent Russian..as communications between two ships(then) was done open MF/HF radio frequencies..Indian navy innovatively used its Russian speaking crew( Indian navy officers posted in Russia as part of the training pro-grammes).

So that inter ship communication if intercepted is not instantly decipherable.

Yes, also Bengali, Malayali, Tamil, Kannad etc were also used. This is true not only for the IN but for IA as well. It works better than frequency hopping sets.

 

[TechLahore]

I have heard recordings of Russian vessels conducting combat operations in lieu of the Osa's against Karachi.
The tapes are still there..(now digitized) in the naval archives at Karachi.

Russia was completely involved.

If you talk to the officers who served during '71 it becomes quite clear that we were not fighting the Indians and the Mukti Bahini alone...

 

[KS]

@ karthic.
That does not seen to be very accurate. One does not have to direct an ICBM towards a target like a rocket launcher. 10 digit coordinates of the target fed into the on board computer will do the trick. As it is, most of these ICBMS are stored in underground silos which point straight up. Likewise for the SLBMs, There is very little scope of pointing these things at anybody, if they are pointing straight up.

Moreover, China of 1999 was not the China of 1971. Yes, Russia has more nuclear warheads today than China, but China has enough to stop anyone from even thinking of using them against it.

What you forget is that Russia, while it is a friendly nation, is not the USSR. Therein lies the hard fact of Indo-Russian relations in the present decade. It is essential to understand the difference between the two entities in order to be able to understand the relationship between India and Russia as it exists today and as it will be in the future.

India is indeed grateful to the USSR for keeping USA and China out of the conflict in 1971 and all the help and support when we needed it the most.

'Pointing the ICBM' means not literally pointing --- just punching in the Target co-ordinates. More like a Mil-term. And I have posted with a disclaimer that it was a grapewine.

Yes Russia is definitely not the USSR and I agree on that part.

 

[SQ8]

What you heard was Indian radio officers conversing with each other in fluent Russian..as communications between two ships(then) was done open MF/HF radio frequencies..Indian navy innovatively used its Russian speaking crew( Indian navy officers posted in Russia as part of the training pro-grammes).

So that inter ship communication if intercepted is not instantly decipherable.

I have heard those as well.. these people were used as liaisons with the Russians and not as some spoof.
We had Russian speaking officers on Babur...and one at a Manora relay station...and the voices picked up were discussing Russian protocols and ship movements.

This was confirmed to my grandfather.. who was a commodore back then by US Navy personnel.

@techlahore..
It is sad that our leaders were expecting the sort of American support that was later shown to Israel in the 73 war.. Naivety knows no bounds in Pakistan's history.

 

[Pukhtoon]

And one 71 war disapears the USSR.East Pakistan Lost ? what about USSR how many parts they lost after that bcoz of PAKISTAN and USA ?

 

[rockstarIN]

@techlahore..
It is sad that our leaders were expecting the sort of American support that was later shown to Israel in the 73 war.. Naivety knows no bounds in Pakistan's history.

@Santro,

Militarily and diplomatically speaking, we planned it very well before the conflict, we fielded our friends b4 urs and it paid off even they were already stationed in DG. Otherwise it would have been another story all together.

Rgds,