Breaking, Saudi Arabia, China and localization of the JF-17 technology

[Basel]

Indeed KSA has the option of western avionics, engines, AESA radars and much more.. but it all depends on the package China is going to offer with the TOT level and content.. Making a warplane and buying one are two totally different things, one can have the money to buy a Bentley, but he sees his interest in the possibility of manufacturing a Honda Accord with his own specs.. The title of the thread says "Localization", and that is the main point of these negotiations.. this was reported many times and continuously for a few years now, so there must be some truth to it.. I am from those who believe that KSA will buy a JF-17 modernised line of production with essential ToT, and make either the Chinese-Pakistani version, its own version with own European specs or a mix/hybrid of both.. The quantity will be substantial as the Saudi Air chief have declared in a recent visit to Pakistan..

KSA can get ToT of EFT tech with integration support for JFT no issue for them if they want, they can have EJ-200 engine facility too.

 

[New World]

No, in this case IA, the buyer will precede KSA, and it is not Bahrain.

Kuwaiti air chief was here not long ago...

May be with EJ-200

 

[ziaulislam]

useless thread, buying weapons has three main consideration
1. political value
2. corruption
3. usefullness of weapon system

political value of buying from china is not that high given china is still not flexing its muscle to protect its interests so you wil not get poltical backing(protecting your monarch) by buying a particular system

second is corruption, you wount be able to mint money via chinese/pakistani sources alot

thrid western equipment is still better than ours and has more familiarity with arabs

 

[The SC]

KSA can get ToT of EFT tech with integration support for JFT no issue for them if they want, they can have EJ-200 engine facility too.

We never heard of EFT ToT to Saudi Arabia..The EJ-200 can be bought but that is all, some ToT maybe but no transfer of production lines..

 

[airmarshal]

How does JF-17 compete with or supplement the capabilities of Eurofighter and F-15SA?

So why would Saudis be interested in a medium technology aircraft when they can buy top of the line fighter jets money can buy?

Can the fanboys of JF-17, who think this aircraft is some miracle, please explain?

Granted Pakistan has made a great achievement by developing a modern jet when under sanctions. But please keep the perspective when praising this aircraft.

 

[The SC]

How does JF-17 compete with or supplement the capabilities of Eurofighter and F-15SA?

So why would Saudis be interested in a medium technology aircraft when they can buy top of the line fighter jets money can buy?

Can the fanboys of JF-17, who think this aircraft is some miracle, please explain?

Granted Pakistan has made a great achievement by developing a modern jet when under sanctions. But please keep the perspective when praising this aircraft.

Have you ever heard of a "side-kick"? that will be the role of the JF-17 in KSA..

 

[volatile]

Have ever heard of a "side-kick"? that will be the role of the JF-17 in KSA..

Hi is it me or your comments seems arrogant , Do you actually know how much F15/Typhoon sortie is costing to KSA
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1028/MR1028.appb.pdf
F15 - 24,000 US$
EFT - 14,000 US$
JF17- 4,000 US$

So in order to petrol/bomb a guy hiding with AK this offers more flexibility also KSA political and economic situation demands a platform which offers all things but string free . So In combat true to your words but routine matters JF17 can do all jobs needed for allied nation

 

[Mrc]

What anti ship missiles current f15s or EFT of Saudis carry??

 

[jamal18]

very strange. they have far more expensive and top of the line jets in their inventory . why would they be interested in a "poor man's F-16"?

Even the very rich countries can't afford these aircraft in large quantities. The concept of a cheaper aircraft to work alongside these expensive 'toys' has been around for a long time e.g. Northrop F-5, etc. In practice this role is performed by keeping older aircraft for longer.

Also, the Arabs have finally grasped the concept of making there own armaments for strategic and economic reasons. The JF-17 would be a good starting point. Again, I'm not saying that the reports are true, I'm just stating the rationale behind such a move.

 

[Sinnerman108]

PAF will not, invest in any plane that maybe sanction prone.

After almost 25 numbing years they have finally made that leap of faith.

@Windjammer
Is there any video of the chief flying the thunder ?

 

[The SC]

Hi is it me or your comments seems arrogant , Do you actually know how much F15/Typhoon sortie is costing to KSA
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1028/MR1028.appb.pdf
F15 - 24,000 US$
EFT - 14,000 US$
JF17- 4,000 US$

So in order to petrol/bomb a guy hiding with AK this offers more flexibility also KSA political and economic situation demands a platform which offers all things but string free . So In combat true to your words but routine matters JF17 can do all jobs needed for allied nation

You must have an arrogance problem to bring it out like that.. have you seen the post I responded to? because I was meaning the same things as you are doing now.. next time read.. if you dot want to look idiotic..

 

[volatile]

You must have an arrogance problem to bring it out like that.. have you seen the post I responded to? because I was meaning the same things as you are doing now.. next time read.. if you dot want to look idiotic..

Side kick and KSA we all understand what it means ,you look thing in perspective and here perspective is Oil rich Saudia and Thunder being poor man fighter i guess words have different meaning for different ,by the way it shows the intellect as well Idiocy is considered to be not a norm as first

 

[That Guy]

Maybe the Saudis want a fighter they can build at home with maximum involvement to do all the heavy lifting

I don't think the news is true, but I'd certainly bet that the Saudis want a cheap fighter, since they've seen how expensive an air campaign can be, with the Yemen war. It's one of the reasons why the US is refusing to retire the f-16 before the next 40ish years, because they just cheaper to operate and maintain than 5th gen fighters.

There is also the matter of developing a domestic industry. Right now, if Iran and KSA were to go to war, Iran would be able to replace a lot of their hardware locally, and KSA would have to buy them from a foreign supplier, who could blackmail them; This gives a long term advantage to Iran over KSA. By having the ability to manufacture and develop local systems, the Saudis can quickly and cheaply replace lost systems, when war time comes.

On a side note, this also has the side affect of helping diversify KSA's economy, and job market.

 

[The SC]

Side kick and KSA we all understand what it means ,you look thing in perspective and here perspective is Oil rich Saudia and Thunder being poor man fighter i guess words have different meaning for different ,by the way it shows the intellect as well Idiocy is considered to be not a norm as first

You have the wrong interpretation of the "Side kick" meaning.. it comes from the expression, "everyone needs a sidekick".. I was saying that the JF-17 will be the "side kick" of the Saudi F-15s and Typhoons.. but you went a bit too far in stretching it and wrongly thinking about Pakistan as the poor country being a "side kick" to the rich KSA.. it is a very wrong perception and the interpretation tells a lot about the wrong frame of thoughts.. please try to correct that..