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No , it is insulate in shroud. Small captivating and more space saving will produce for sub. Making them quiet.

you cannot stop magnetic energy and eddy currents. You will have to put layers of insulation but still magnetic waves will escape. Because the force field is conservative in nature and sea water is full of ions. There fore the work done by the ions around the shroud will have 100% work done and which can easily be detected.. And since shourd will be a torus, it will be act as a great magnet.
 
There fore the work done by the ions around the shroud will have 100% work done and which can easily be detected.. And since shourd will be a torus, it will be act as a great magnet.

Do you what is insulate in the first place? End of my story, the fact is RN, USN and PLAN are pursing electric shaftless prop for future submarine. I dont think you are more credible to reject their advancement in this area. I can know your pessimism becos clearly China won the race as the Type095 sub is going to deploy it first ahead of RN and USN.
 
Do you what is insulate in the first place? End of my story, the fact is RN, USN and PLAN are pursing electric shaftless prop for future submarine. I dont think you are more credible to reject their advancement in this area. I can know your pessimism becos clearly China won the race as the Type095 sub is going to deploy it first ahead of RN and USN.

which insulation? You will insulate the magnetic fields using concrete on the shroud ?

What they are planning is just a prototype. The advantage is reduced weight less maintenance. No oiling required.

But it will take another 50 years to have way developed that ions in sea water don't get highly charges when are moving across magnetic and electric field around the shroud. This will corrode any material and such charged particles can be detected too.
 
You show nothing about from Official Chinese source. YOu are just making things up to suit your agenda.
Oh spare me your accusations.

You don't even know how to read reports and you are accusing me of making stuff up. I have mentioned the source of my information (a declassified report based on Chinese disclosures and references). This report: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a519221.pdf

Following are the references in the aforementioned report:

1. This article draws extensively on five of the serious PRC professional publications concerned with naval warfare: 当代海军 (Modern Navy), 人民海军 (People’s Navy), 舰船知识(Naval and Merchant Ships), 舰载 武器 (Shipborne Weapons), and 现代舰船 (Modern Ships). Modern Navy is a monthly magazine published by the official PLAN newspaper People’s Navy, which is the daily newspaper published by the Political Department of China’s navy. Modern Navy offers articles that are often concrete and revealing of important capabilities, initiatives, and exercises. See, for example, 徐红明, 刘新民 [Xu Hongming and Liu Xinmin], “‘敌后’布 雷--中国海军某潜艇突破反潜编队训练 目击记” [Lay Mines “In the Enemy’s Rear Area”: An Eyewitness Account of a Certain PLAN Submarine Exercise Involving Breaking Through Antisubmarine Formations], 当代海军 [Modern Navy], no. 4 (2003), p. 38. 舰船知识 (Naval and Merchant Ships), a semitechnical monthly publication of the Chinese Society of Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering, has directly involved a retired PLA Navy rear admiral, Zheng Ming, formerly head of the PLA Navy’s Equipment Department, in its publication activities. See “我刊召开作者, 读者, 编者座谈会” [Our Journal Convenes a Discussion among Writers, Readers and Editors], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (August 2006), p. 8. An active-duty PLA Navy admiral has contributed to the journal. See 杨毅 [Yang Yi], “谁 的潜艇今后说了算?” [Who Can Estimate the Future Number of Submarines?], 舰 船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (July 2006), p. 28. Shipborne Weapons and Modern Ships are both monthly journals published by the state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), China’s largest designer, manufacturer, and trader of military and civilian vessels and related engineering and equipment. In addition to these naval-oriented publications, 中国军事 科学 (China Military Science) is published by the PLA’s Academy of Military Sciences.

2. Because of the difficulty in conclusively identifying the authors of many Chinese writings on naval issues, this article will use a very broad definition of “naval analyst” —namely, one who engages in research and publication concerning naval affairs.

3. 钱晋 [Qian Jin], “影子 ‘前锋’ 洛杉矶: 我伴 航母走天涯” [The Shadowy Vanguard Los Angeles Class: Escorting Carriers to the Far Corners of the Earth], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (August 2002), pp. 38–41.

4. 张建平, 高倚天 [Zhang Jianping and Gao Yitian], “透视美海军 2035 年: 远 景规划” [Perspective on the U.S. Navy in 2035: Prospective Plans], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (August 2005), p. 37.

5. 林长盛 [Lin Changcheng], “潜龙在渊: 解放军水雷兵器的现状与发展” [The Hidden Dragon in the Deep: The Present Situation and Development of PLA Mine Weaponry], 国际展望 [World Outlook], no. 9 (May 2005), p. 32.

6. 齐耀久 [Qi Yaojiu], “‘旧金山’号核潜艇触 礁事故的再思考” [Reflecting Again on the San Francisco Nuclear Submarine Collision Accident], 现代舰船 [Modern Ships] (July 2005), p. 41.

7. Ibid., p. 42.

8. Ibid., pp. 41–42.

9. 止戈 [Zhi Ge], “旧金山’号核潜艇事故分 析” [Analysis of the San Francisco Nuclear Submarine Accident], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (March 2005), p. 59.

10. 孙晔飞, 聂其武 [Sun Yefei and Nie Qiwu], “从美核潜艇出事: 瞧潜艇非战时事故规 律” [Looking at Patterns of Nonwar Submarine Accidents, from the Perspective of the U.S. Nuclear Submarine Incident], 当代 海军 [Modern Navy] (March 2005), p. 20.

11. 临河 [Lin He], “常备不懈—美国海军潜 艇救生及启示” [Always Prepared: The Inspiration of the U.S. Navy’s Submarine Rescue Cooperation], 现代舰船 [Modern Ships] (May 2004), p. 11.

12. Ibid., pp. 9–11.

13. Among the many articles that examine the U.S. military buildup on Guam are台风 [Tai Feng], “中国需要反潜巡逻机马?” [Does China Need Antisubmarine Patrol Aircraft?], 舰载武器 [Shipborne Weapons], no. 3 (March 2005), pp. 70–75; “美国陈兵关岛虎视台海” [U.S. Troops Deployed in Guam Vigorously Watch the Taiwan Strait], 世界新闻报 [World News Report], 15 February 2001; “美核攻击 潜艇欲驻关岛意何为” [Why America Stations Nuclear Attack Submarines in Guam], 信息日报 [NewsDaily], 3 November 2000, p. 22; “美国核潜艇关岛触礁” [U.S. Nuclear Submarine Strikes a Reef near Guam], 环 球时报 [World Times], 20 January 2005; Zhao Xiaozhuo, “The United States Does Not Want to Get Involved in a Crisis in the Taiwan Strait,” Huanqiu Shibao, 3 January 2005, FBIS CPP20050114000176; “核潜艇进 关岛: 美国居心叵测” [Nuclear Submarines Enter Guam: The U.S. Harbors Unfathomable, Evil Intentions], 中国国防报 [China National Defense News], 2 April 2002, p. B04

14. 李杰 [Li Jie], “对美系列海上演习之思考” [Reflections on the Series of U.S. Exercises at Sea], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (September 2004), pp. 20–21.

15. 赵宇 [Zhao Yu], “全景扫描: 美太平洋第 七舰队战力, 中部” [Scanning the Entire Panorama: The Combat Power of the U.S. Pacific Seventh Fleet (middle part)], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (February 2005), pp. 53–57.

16. 韩江波 [Han Jiangbo], “关岛—美军控制 西太平洋作战体系的‘纲’” [Guam: The “Key Link” in the U.S. Military System to Control the Western Pacific], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (December 2006), p. 33.


Full list is very long - 88 references in total in the aforementioned report (mostly Chinese publications and reports).

You go through them, if you have trust issues.

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I dont think I need to remind you of this famous diagram from ONI? Or you want to claim ONI is not any official source from USN?

This stupid diagram is created in 2009 by ONI ,talking about Type095 submarine noise level which not even a single crew for it is build during that time. Type095 is currently build in 2017 in China shipyard as comfirm by Ma weiming PLAN scientist in the lastest PLA documetary.

May I know how do ONI know about the noise level of Type095 to be so pathetic of even noiser than Akula I sub build 20 years ago in 2009?

Care to answer me?
Do you even understand how 'intelligence gathering' works?

The existence of the 095 attack submarine was confirmed by the US Naval Intelligence Development Report published by the US Naval Intelligence Office in 2009.

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/type-95.htm

You Chinese commoners do not know much about Chinese defense-related programs and you question the authenticity of organizations that are masters of espionage and in the business of national security. USN is monitoring activities around the world, gathering data through espionage and other means.

Development of Chinese Type-095 SSN was hinted in 2006 actually: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2006/12/06/2003339341/1

That diagram is not stupid; you lack the intellect to understand it:

Relative acoustic signatures of Russian and Chinese diesel electric and nuclear submarines. The green area indicates submarines that would be relatively easy for the Navy to detect vs. red which would be difficult to detect.

It is disclosing how hard it is for USN to track those submarines in real-time situations.
 
Oh spare me your bullshit.

You don't even know how to read reports and you are accusing me of making stuff up. I have mentioned the source of my information (a declassified report based on Chinese disclosures and references). This report: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a519221.pdf

Following are the references in the aforementioned report:

1. This article draws extensively on five of the serious PRC professional publications concerned with naval warfare: 当代海军 (Modern Navy), 人民海军 (People’s Navy), 舰船知识(Naval and Merchant Ships), 舰载 武器 (Shipborne Weapons), and 现代舰船 (Modern Ships). Modern Navy is a monthly magazine published by the official PLAN newspaper People’s Navy, which is the daily newspaper published by the Political Department of China’s navy. Modern Navy offers articles that are often concrete and revealing of important capabilities, initiatives, and exercises. See, for example, 徐红明, 刘新民 [Xu Hongming and Liu Xinmin], “‘敌后’布 雷--中国海军某潜艇突破反潜编队训练 目击记” [Lay Mines “In the Enemy’s Rear Area”: An Eyewitness Account of a Certain PLAN Submarine Exercise Involving Breaking Through Antisubmarine Formations], 当代海军 [Modern Navy], no. 4 (2003), p. 38. 舰船知识 (Naval and Merchant Ships), a semitechnical monthly publication of the Chinese Society of Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering, has directly involved a retired PLA Navy rear admiral, Zheng Ming, formerly head of the PLA Navy’s Equipment Department, in its publication activities. See “我刊召开作者, 读者, 编者座谈会” [Our Journal Convenes a Discussion among Writers, Readers and Editors], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (August 2006), p. 8. An active-duty PLA Navy admiral has contributed to the journal. See 杨毅 [Yang Yi], “谁 的潜艇今后说了算?” [Who Can Estimate the Future Number of Submarines?], 舰 船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (July 2006), p. 28. Shipborne Weapons and Modern Ships are both monthly journals published by the state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), China’s largest designer, manufacturer, and trader of military and civilian vessels and related engineering and equipment. In addition to these naval-oriented publications, 中国军事 科学 (China Military Science) is published by the PLA’s Academy of Military Sciences.

2. Because of the difficulty in conclusively identifying the authors of many Chinese writings on naval issues, this article will use a very broad definition of “naval analyst” —namely, one who engages in research and publication concerning naval affairs.

3. 钱晋 [Qian Jin], “影子 ‘前锋’ 洛杉矶: 我伴 航母走天涯” [The Shadowy Vanguard Los Angeles Class: Escorting Carriers to the Far Corners of the Earth], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (August 2002), pp. 38–41.

4. 张建平, 高倚天 [Zhang Jianping and Gao Yitian], “透视美海军 2035 年: 远 景规划” [Perspective on the U.S. Navy in 2035: Prospective Plans], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (August 2005), p. 37.

5. 林长盛 [Lin Changcheng], “潜龙在渊: 解放军水雷兵器的现状与发展” [The Hidden Dragon in the Deep: The Present Situation and Development of PLA Mine Weaponry], 国际展望 [World Outlook], no. 9 (May 2005), p. 32.

6. 齐耀久 [Qi Yaojiu], “‘旧金山’号核潜艇触 礁事故的再思考” [Reflecting Again on the San Francisco Nuclear Submarine Collision Accident], 现代舰船 [Modern Ships] (July 2005), p. 41.

7. Ibid., p. 42.

8. Ibid., pp. 41–42.

9. 止戈 [Zhi Ge], “旧金山’号核潜艇事故分 析” [Analysis of the San Francisco Nuclear Submarine Accident], 舰船知识 [Naval and Merchant Ships] (March 2005), p. 59.

10. 孙晔飞, 聂其武 [Sun Yefei and Nie Qiwu], “从美核潜艇出事: 瞧潜艇非战时事故规 律” [Looking at Patterns of Nonwar Submarine Accidents, from the Perspective of the U.S. Nuclear Submarine Incident], 当代 海军 [Modern Navy] (March 2005), p. 20.

11. 临河 [Lin He], “常备不懈—美国海军潜 艇救生及启示” [Always Prepared: The Inspiration of the U.S. Navy’s Submarine Rescue Cooperation], 现代舰船 [Modern Ships] (May 2004), p. 11.

12. Ibid., pp. 9–11.

13. Among the many articles that examine the U.S. military buildup on Guam are台风 [Tai Feng], “中国需要反潜巡逻机马?” [Does China Need Antisubmarine Patrol Aircraft?], 舰载武器 [Shipborne Weapons], no. 3 (March 2005), pp. 70–75; “美国陈兵关岛虎视台海” [U.S. Troops Deployed in Guam Vigorously Watch the Taiwan Strait], 世界新闻报 [World News Report], 15 February 2001; “美核攻击 潜艇欲驻关岛意何为” [Why America Stations Nuclear Attack Submarines in Guam], 信息日报 [NewsDaily], 3 November 2000, p. 22; “美国核潜艇关岛触礁” [U.S. Nuclear Submarine Strikes a Reef near Guam], 环 球时报 [World Times], 20 January 2005; Zhao Xiaozhuo, “The United States Does Not Want to Get Involved in a Crisis in the Taiwan Strait,” Huanqiu Shibao, 3 January 2005, FBIS CPP20050114000176; “核潜艇进 关岛: 美国居心叵测” [Nuclear Submarines Enter Guam: The U.S. Harbors Unfathomable, Evil Intentions], 中国国防报 [China National Defense News], 2 April 2002, p. B04

14. 李杰 [Li Jie], “对美系列海上演习之思考” [Reflections on the Series of U.S. Exercises at Sea], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (September 2004), pp. 20–21.

15. 赵宇 [Zhao Yu], “全景扫描: 美太平洋第 七舰队战力, 中部” [Scanning the Entire Panorama: The Combat Power of the U.S. Pacific Seventh Fleet (middle part)], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (February 2005), pp. 53–57.

16. 韩江波 [Han Jiangbo], “关岛—美军控制 西太平洋作战体系的‘纲’” [Guam: The “Key Link” in the U.S. Military System to Control the Western Pacific], 当代海军 [Modern Navy] (December 2006), p. 33.


Full list is very long - 88 references in total in the aforementioned report (mostly Chinese publications and reports).

You go through them, if you have trust issues.


Do you even understand how 'intelligence gathering' works?

The existence of the 095 attack submarine was confirmed by the US Naval Intelligence Development Report published by the US Naval Intelligence Office in 2009.

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/type-95.htm

You Chinese commoners did not know much about Chinese defense-related programs, period. USN - on the other hand - is monitoring activities around the world, gathering data through espionage and other means.

Development of Chinese Type-095 SSN was confirmed in 2006 actually: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2006/12/06/2003339341/1

That diagram is not stupid; you lack the intellect to understand it:

Relative acoustic signatures of Russian and Chinese diesel electric and nuclear submarines. The green area indicates submarines that would be relatively easy for the Navy to detect vs. red which would be difficult to detect.

Do you understand what that image is about? It is disclosing how hard it is for USN to track those submarines.

Once again, you didn't provide any source.

Secondly, you are avoiding my credible assessment of biased and unprofessional western report by just a mere " intelligence gathering" to do some face saving for yourself.

Finally, thanks for proving my points. :enjoy:
 
Once again, you didn't provide any source.

Secondly, you are avoiding my credible assessment of biased and unprofessional western report by just a mere " intelligence gathering" to do some face saving for yourself.

Finally, thanks for proving my points. :enjoy:
Thanks for proving that you are an illiterate person with ZERO knowledge of subject under discussion and oblivious to developments within your own country. I won't waste my time on you.
 
Completely off topic people. Please stop it.
 
Thanks for proving that you are an illiterate. I won't waste my time on you.
Anybody who can read english can see how you fail to rebuke any of my point.

Your mere answer of "intelligence gathering" for a so called highly established US federal government agency stupid report on China is epic. :lol: I put it bluntly, its dumb for you.
 
Chinese illiterates jumping into discussions like these, derailing them further.
You are trying to say ONI used a time machine to travel future in 2017 and then go back to 2009 to make an assessment of Chinese Type095 sub noise level or they simply put on tainted glasses to make such mere guess to try to fool folks like you into believing it in 2009?

Reader, please pick your choice. :enjoy:
 
You are trying to say ONI used a time machine to travel future in 2017 and then go back to 2009 to make an assessment of Chinese Type095 sub noise level or they simply put on tainted glasses to make such mere guess to try to fool folks like you into believing it in 2009?

Reader, please pick your choice. :enjoy:
Question should be: a Chinese illiterate troll knows more about these matters than USN itself?

I requested you to provide data of noise levels of all Chinese submarines in existence. Where is it?
 
Question should be: a Chinese illiterate troll knows more about these matters than USN itself?

I requested you to provide data of noise levels of all Chinese submarines in existence. Where is it?
It does not take a genius to know, you cant make conclusion on things that is not even build or exist in the air.
I have prove western source, including well establish agency like to make BS on rivals. They are nothing but propaganda. If their words can be trusted, the earth will be cube. :enjoy:
 
It does not take a genius to know, you cant make conclusion on things that is not even build or exist in the air.
I have prove western source, including well establish agency like to make BS on rivals. They are nothing but propaganda. If their words can be trusted, the earth will be cube. :enjoy:
FYI:

By 2005 China may have completed the design of Type 095 and initiated the first phase of construction. Some believe the hull of Type 095 had a Western rather than a Russian design like the Type 093, and that the underwater noise level of the boat has been greatly reduced. The Type 095 may also first the sophisticated HY-4 cruise missile with a range of 3,000km. If this type of missile carried a nuclear warhead, it can destroy up to 2km2 of any targeted area.

China may be planning to build at least five Type 095 submarines. The United States Intelligence community stated in August 2010 that China may commission up to five boats in the coming years. If the Type 095 can join its aircraft carrier battle group by 2020, its overall combat capabilities will easily exceed those of Type 093.


Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/type-95.htm
 
The election is getting closer. Hasina will make happy to the all possible trouble makers by various deals. Cutter from usa,yak from Russia,frigates fighters radar sam tanks are from china and some unknown stuffs from India. Vision 2041 is on its way. But overall it's one of the best eid shopping for bd for sure. Congratulation BAF
 
They are fake Muslim. They will not hesitate to convert to Christian to do the bidding of the west. As they will feel superior. The west has been terrorsing the Muslim with crusader, colonies the Muslim countries and yet these fake Pakistanis still worship them.
How's the forced conversion of Muslim children's name in China going?

you cannot stop magnetic energy and eddy currents. You will have to put layers of insulation but still magnetic waves will escape. Because the force field is conservative in nature and sea water is full of ions. There fore the work done by the ions around the shroud will have 100% work done and which can easily be detected.. And since shourd will be a torus, it will be act as a great magnet.
Somebody is talking legitimately. Congrats. I agree.
 
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