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Bomb Blast in Crowded Daata Darbar (Shrine), Lahore

No all through your posts it is all you do, PEOPLE are not Nessarily represntatives of soemthign unless they hodl authority in that respective feild,, a doctors patient does not represent his surgery, simmilary a beliver of a faith does not represent hsi faith unless he is eduacted in it adequetly or of a position of trust in his or shes community, the people you qoute are neither. YEs every community has there bad apples, rather look at the ideology or the source of it, in this case the Quran which doe snot condone any of the such quite the contararry.

so you think that Host of Aalim Online Amir Liaquat & Mr. Omar Bakri who was called in by BBC know less than you & don't have knowledge regarding their own religion, hey listen they certainly know more than you I can bet on that

I was not saying that all Muslims on the face of the planet are terrorists but i was simply replying to the lines which said that 'people don't justify killings in the name of religion', if you got carried after seeing some people speaking their inner hatred for others sects & other religions then its certainly not my problems, seriously!
 
so you think that Host of Aalim Online Amir Liaquat & Mr. Omar Bakri who was called in by BBC know less than you & don't have knowledge regarding their own religion, hey listen they certainly know more than you I can bet on that

I was not saying that all Muslims on the face of the planet are terrorists but i was simply replying to the lines which said that 'people don't justify killings in the name of religion', if you got carried after seeing some people speaking their inner hatred for others sects & other religions then its certainly not my problems, seriously!

First the video you posted is of ANJUM chaudry Not omar bakri Omar bakri got deported many many years go, Lady you only heard his name I know alot more about him then you can imagine. Secondly he was only ever given coverage to show the radical side, thats about it, as I said even his Group is now disolved. And what has amir liaquat got to do with this? amir liaquat is not a scholar he is a presenter, who done a internet thesis, that how he became a doctor lol. AS far as what I know is concerned well im not allowed to boast but why dont you read my writings and judge for youreself.

It seems to me you have met some anti islamic elements and not knowing how to answer them you have subdued to there way of thinking, it happens and ive met such people who later got back on track if you need any help on this I may be of some use and Im sure God willing I shall be able to clear all your misunderstandings.
 
First the video you posted is of ANJUM chaudry Not omar bakri Omar bakri got deported many many years go, Lady you only heard his name I know alot more about him then you can imagine. Secondly he was only ever given coverage to show the radical side, thats about it, as I said even his Group is now disolved. And what has amir liaquat got to do with this? amir liaquat is not a scholar he is a presenter, who done a internet thesis, that how he became a doctor lol. AS far as what I know is concerned well im not allowed to boast but why dont you read my writings and judge for youreself.

sorry I mixed the tow names, Sorry about that
I mentioned Aamir Liaquat In my post as well, He was also preaching killing of Ahmadis, Aamir is a pretty famous personality & people do follow his words, don't you know about that?
I repeat that you blew my post I was context, I was replying to ice_man just as Niaz did to tell him that there are people who preach killing by using religion, I just examples about that...
 
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Tell me you people were not expecting this

‘Some ulema reluctant to condemn suicide attacks’

MULTAN: Federal minister for religious affairs Hamid Saeed Kazmi on Sunday said that a majority of ulema do not favour suicide attacks but some of them are reluctant to condemn them unconditionally.

Speaking to media representatives in Multan, Kazmi said some families in southern Punjab send their children to seminaries where they are brainwashed and indoctrinated.

These children are then used for acts like these, Kazmi said.

He further said that suicide bombings are fundamentally suicides and the bombers “will go to hell” for their acts and for trying to spread anarchy in the country. — DawnNews

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | ?Some ulema reluctant to condemn suicide attacks?
 
sorry I mixed the tow names, Sorry about that
I mentioned Aamir Liaquat In my post as well, He was also preaching killing of Ahmadis, Aamir is a pretty famous personality & people do follow hi swords, don't you know about that?
I repeat that you blew my post I was context, I was replying to ice_man just as Niaz did to tell him that there are people who preach killing by using religion, I just examples about that...

You have no need to apologise to me, as you are not acountable to me, mistake is a common human trait to forgive is divine and to accuse lowly human, you see the posts here have been to many , i dont just reply here but other places too , and to be frank i have other things to do besides sit all day and answer people its get to much, especialy in the few good days of weather we are having.

Ok if you dont want to post it here again maybe you shouldnt as the forum doesnt allow it, but if you can tell me what page you talking about and where on amir liqauat on ahmedis, or send it to my forum inbox il take a look at it and reply then, Look ahmedis althoguh considered non muslim, that does not mean we harbour hatred for them , or that there killing is justified, as the Commander of the faithful Imam Ali ibn abi talib cousin of the prophet taught us " If they are not your brothers in faith then they are your brothers in humanity". Or al Quran : 2:256 " let there be no compulsion in Religion"

And as regards to difference of opinion and peaceful coexistence.

42:15] To this then go on inviting, and go on steadfastly on the right way as you are commanded, and do not follow their low desires, and say: I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book, and I am commanded to do justice between you: Allah is our Lord and your Lord; we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds; no plea need there be (now) between us and you: Allah will gather us together, and to Him is the return.

Lady Blowing things out of context for me is low, i would never deliberately do that , because as a muslim who can be better aqauinted with things being taken out of context lol. As for people listenign to him, lady only people who have permisiion to issue fatwa can be followed , and amir is knowhere near that league, he is listened to as a presenter yet he has no authority to demand a following, even his pre goverment post was overseen by senior people. But I still awaite to see the point of critiscm which you direct towards him.
 
Qazi blames RAW, MOSAD for ‘fueling sectarian hatred’


Updated at: 1808 PST, Sunday, July 04, 2010
Qazi blames RAW, MOSAD for ‘fueling sectarian hatred’ LAHORE: Former Amir Jamat-e-Islami Qasi Hussain Ahmed Sunday said RAW and MOSAD are trying to fuel sectarian hatred by attaching shrines.

Addressing a seminar on Kashmir issue here at Mansoora, Qazi Hussain ruled out establishment of peace in the country unless necessary changes are made to the foreign policy.

He said police in a bid to shirk its responsibility terms the acts of terrorism as suicide attacks or put it’s the blame on religious organizations.

Qazi said negotiations with India must not be initiated unless and until India recognizes Kashmir as a disputed territory.

Chairman People’s Freedom League Occupied Kashmir, Farooq Rehmani on the occasion said Kashmiri’s will never make any compromise with Indians.
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Where is CIA this time? :undecided:
 
Terrorists and their apologists

Now the holiest shrine of the most revered saint Hazrat Data Ganj Bakhsh in the heart of Lahore has been sacrilegiously bombed by the ideologically motivated terrorists of Pakistani origin. This is not a lone and unimagined ghastly act, as some people in Punjab may assume, but a continuation of a mad drive against all spiritual, cultural, democratic and material values by those who out of their megalomaniac and barbaric misconception of Islam are bent upon pushing Pakistan and the Muslim world into the bloody degeneration of a contemporary inquisition. Everyday terrorist assaults on the innocent people by these self-appointed warriors of (anti-)Islam warrant an unambiguous and resolute collective response at the ideological, social, political and military levels.

Yet there are those apologists of terrorism, and they are plenty, who shamelessly and hypocritically shift the blame on to some “foreign hand” or somebody who is “alien to Islam”. Out of their own ideological perversion and hatred for the west and western civilisation and/or India, they are not ready to accept it as the handiwork of a Muslim or Pakistani. They irrationally find lame excuses and concoct cover-ups for the jihadis by citing the reaction to the numerous injustices committed by the west or infidels against the Muslim world without realising the fact that they are only eulogising a suicidal course at the expense of their own country and the Muslim world. The most convenient way for the incompetent or compromised investigating agencies and a section of the media wired to the powers-that-be or obsessed with conspiracy theories, is to shift the blame on the ubiquitous ‘foreign hand’, RAW and Blackwater in particular. So far, not a single terrorist case in Punjab has been established against RAW and despite the arrests of many culprits, the investigations have moved nowhere. Even if they have found some credible leads in some cases, they have not been able to lay hands on the real perpetrators of the suicide bombings.

Most glaring is the view of the so-called security and defence experts, who are as many as you can imagine, who consider the disparate terrorist outfits, especially those fighting in Kashmir or in Afghanistan, as a reserve or ‘strategic asset’. Not long ago we were told that almost all of them were Pakistan’s ‘strategic assets’, but gradually it was revealed that most of them have turned hostile and joined the jihadi internationalist solidarity front. Terrorism and terrorist outfits as a tool of national security policy have been central to the twin strategic designs of an India-centric policy and ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan. The roots of this counter-productive strategic paradigm are rooted in General Zia’s and President Regan’s crusade against the former Soviet Union which, after the exit of the Soviet Union, was to serve the purpose of keeping Afghanistan as a surrogate of Pakistan and, subsequently, its extension to Indian-administered Kashmir.

The strategy that served the purpose of forcing the former Soviet Union to leave Afghanistan was foolishly perpetuated to serve the narrowly defined designs of our hawkish security structures on both the eastern and western fronts. No lessons were drawn despite the ‘betrayal’ of almost all Afghan surrogates who turned Afghanistan into a chaotic ground for an internecine conflict among the brutal warlords called Afghan Mujahideen. The same policy continued and the Taliban were created and brought into power, who went berserk and put Pakistan in an unenviable position. It was only after 9/11 that under General Musharraf the military establishment had to beat a reluctant and partial retreat.


But the institutional constraints and his own interests kept Musharraf on the road of duplicity and he continued to cling to the Mullah-Military alliance, resulting in the loss of almost all agencies in FATA to the Pakistani Taliban, who were allowed to turn into a monster challenging the writ of the state. Benefitting from the revival of US client status, the Musharraf administration exploited its ‘disadvantages’, as seen by the international community, such as on terrorism, nuclear proliferation and drug trafficking, to its ‘advantage’. Not only General Musharraf but also others developed the art of calculatingly using these ‘assets’ of national disadvantages and incrementally cashing them in as an advantage. And this zero-sum-game continues to this day without realising the strategic disadvantages and extremely destabilising fallouts of continuing to harbour one proxy or the other, who are now targeting everything in their way to turn Pakistan into yet another Afghanistan.

Everybody wants the back of the US and its allies in Afghanistan — some out of hate for the US, others for “national liberation” or “Islamic glory” against foreign occupation and still others for regaining strategic (soft or hard) depth. What is not realised is the vexing question of who will fill the void created by the exit of the real world powers? Indeed, the masters of our security are still too keen to have a foothold in the treacherous, costly and dangerous quagmire of Afghanistan. Could an economically, nationally and institutionally fragile underdeveloped country hold together a critical mass of instability as its strategic depth against an emerging big power on our east, an enterprise that could not be tackled by the two superpowers in succession?

The NATO allies, especially the US, are only interested in the neutralisation of al Qaeda or those with international terrorist reach. If the Taliban and others break their links with Osama and company, the US will have no problem in doing business with the Taliban while closing their eyes to what havoc a resurgent Taliban will bring to the region, especially Pakistan and Central Asia. The victory we are pursuing in Afghanistan and being facilitated by the US stupidities and inconsistencies may result in such a great anarchy that may consume the whole of Pakistan and Central Asia with a variety of sectarian warriors killing each other in every street and village of Afghanistan and Pakistan.


For the civilian and also other Pakistan, the Taliban and the militants of all varieties are a real threat. Who has the intellectual or strategic guts to convert them into our strategic depth? And those powerful sections who are still pursuing the goal of bringing the Pakhtun Taliban back in power in Kabul are only digging the grave of a democratic Pakistan. By building an ‘excessively’ Pakistani nationhood on the ideological basis of Islam while Islamists continue to reject nationhood or nation building as repugnant to the theoretical world of the Ummah, we are paying the heavy price of growing sectarian extremism and jihadi terrorism that is going to tear us apart as a people and as a nation, if we are one. Time has already run out and we are yet to wake up to a threat that may leave nothing to defend or relish.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 

Denial & Only Denial, that has become our national trait unfortunately, There's is no need to think about Kashmir when we are ourselves our own battle of survival which has all the potential to annihilate the very existence of Pakistan & the funny thing is that some religious clerics are still unable to categorically condemn suicide blasts, What foreign policy do these people want? I want to know, We cannot abandon WoT nor is ISAF loosing is in favor of Pakistan
 
State responsible for curbing terrorism: Mufti Munibur Rehman

The Sunni Rahbar Council chief Mufti Munibur Rehman has alleged that Interior Minister Rehman Malik is busy in settling differences between political parties and has no time to perform his actual duty of maintaining law and order situation in the country. He suggested that Rehman Malik should be ousted from his office.
Mufti Rehman was addressing from a press conference in Darul Uloom Naeemia in Karachi where he reiterated that suicide bombing is strictly prohibited in Islam and informed that all those who carry out suicide attacks should be considered as expelled from Islam. He also informed that the government is primarily accountable for curbing terrorism. He urged that all those who want to avenge from the US should directly fight against the US forces operating in Afghanistan and Iraq instead of carrying out terror activities in Pakistan.
 
Tell Maulana Qasi Hussain Ahmed Sahib that there own creator Maulana Maududi Sahib was a well known CIA collaborator (direct CIA phone line), it is best not to bite the hand that feeds you.

It is our very own extremists that are hurting us, no one else. Our populace is still in their delusions that Muslims are the victim and never the aggressor. Our own extremists Muslims are the aggressors and the ones who have been hurting us since long.

There is no concept of Mullah in Islam, it was one of the rights we were supposed to do after the Christian clergy wrecked european countries with their superstitious ways.

We must break these religious parties down one by one. This way they will be removed from our lives and end our collective misery. They have covered our country with a shroud of darkness, we are lost and suffering international humiliation. If we do not right our wrongs, we will suffer greatly, the arabs have used our country as an exercise for death and destruction.
 
I could crush terrorism in 3 months, claims Imran


Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan Sunday claimed that if he were the prime minister of Pakistan, he would have eliminated the menace of terrorism within 90 days.
Talking to media during his visit to Data Darbar in Lahore, Imran said Pakistan is paying the price for fighting a proxy war for America. He said the real terrorists should be eliminated but ‘if we treat the enemies of America as our enemies the war will continue’.
Khan noted that the war on terror has taken a heavy toll on Pakistan’s economy and only a small group of ruling elite are profiting from the aid and loans.
He claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the problems of terrorism could have been resolved within 3 months. He said that the security should be provided to Pakistani people and not the political families.
 
He urged that all those who want to avenge from the US should directly fight against the US forces operating in Afghanistan and Iraq instead of carrying out terror activities in Pakistan

wasn't expected from a minster :tsk:
He still making distinction b/w Good & Bad Taliban, thats what i can understand from this statement, Taliban in A-stan are no saviors of humanity they are no less criminals than the TTP
 
wasn't expected from a minster :tsk:
He still making distinction b/w Good & Bad Taliban, thats what i can understand from this statement, Taliban in A-stan are no saviors of humanity they are no less criminals than the TTP

first of all he is not minister... Secondly who are we to declare them (The Afghan Taliban) Terrorits?? they are fighting against an invader...
 
first of he is not minister... Secondly who are we to declare them (The Afghan Taliban) Terrorits?? they are fighting against an invader...

This lady gets her info so damn wrong , if only i had a penny for each time she does it lol, all emo does is paste from pro anti islamic websites and then thinks its facts lol, hes not a minister
 
first of he is not minister... Secondly who are we to declare them (The Afghan Taliban) Terrorits?? they are fighting against an invader...

sorry about that calling him minister,
AT & TTP are heads of same monster, we all know about the golden deeds of AT during their rule, AT have got a reason to cover up their deeds & they are doing a perfect job in doing so...

was ISI was stupid to annihilate half of Quetta Shura?
 

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