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Bomb Blast in Crowded Daata Darbar (Shrine), Lahore

They would surely lose their faith in Allah, and Data Darbar would therefore hold no importance to them. They attack out of hatred because thats all that ever been shown to them.

An absolutely wrong hypothesis. They want to target public places and inflict maximum damage. The activities of people at Data Darbar (qawwalis, dhamaal, etc.) are deemed to be "shirk" by a significant percentage of our population. The militants have therefore justification for killing civilians because they are committing shirk in their opinion, and hence out of the "daira e islam" as far as they are considered.

This isn't a hopeless and depressed bomber. This is a motivated and resolute bomber. He committed a noble act killing mushriks as far as he is considered.
 
Now, I began to wonder: why would two young people, presumably Muslim, attack a sacred Shrine via suicide bombing? In the name of Allah? Lack of education? Poverty? No, I think its a bit deeper then that.

Carrying an explosive device to the site does not necessarily always mean a suicide bomber. It depends how the device was carried and detonated. Was it in a bag or in a suicide belt ? A suicide belt clearly points to a suicide bomber but if the device was carried in a bag , there are other possibilities. In that case, money is paid to carry the bag to the site without telling about the content's true nature to the trafficker. That bag can be remotely detonated. Therefore, we first need to de-construct the whole picture to determine if it was indeed a suicide bombing or just a bombing.
 
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An absolutely wrong hypothesis. They want to target public places and inflict maximum damage.
I just got to wonder, is this what they wanted, or is this what their handlers wanted? I mean, some people fight with the Taliban to repel foreign occupation in Afghanistan, not because they agree with the Taliban. The Taliban leaders may say otherwise, though.


Therefore, we first need to de-construct the whole picture to determine if it was indeed a suicide bombing or just a bombing.
That we do. Wonder when the police are going to release their reports.
 
not sure when will these sharif brothers wake up. ahmedis and now this. these two incidents clearly point towards religious intolerance and who else could this be other than talibans fleeing operations and finding sanctuary under the nose of pml n. not only talibans but the sectarian groups lik spah e sahaba have also found enough room to manoeuvre under the pml n government.
 
I love my country, sadly can't say the same about the people who reside in it now.

very well said. Religious and sectarian violence aside how about racial violence in Karachi. Everyday 15-20 people get killed by unknown gunmen. A routine. What are these people thinking. How easy it is for them to kill a human being then go on about their life as if nothing happened, without any remorse. One must ask, what kind of social upbringing they've gone through and are going through that they can act so violent. The most important question, is it going to change anytime or the next generation will follow on the same footsteps. If we look at the economic conditions, no jobs, no work, hardly any business, no reason to believe this violence will subside anytime soon.
 
The thing I DO NOT UNDERSTAND is that why cannot pakistan military identify the guys who r doing these barbariic acts every other day and finish them once and for all. God, if such attacks were happening in any other proud country with such frequency something STRONG would have been done. :angry:
 
very well said. Religious and sectarian violence aside how about racial violence in Karachi. Everyday 15-20 people get killed by unknown gunmen. A routine. What are these people thinking. How easy it is for them to kill a human being then go on about their life as if nothing happened, without any remorse. One must ask, what kind of social upbringing they've gone through and are going through that they can act so violent. The most important question, is it going to change anytime or the next generation will follow on the same footsteps. If we look at the economic conditions, no jobs, no work, hardly any business, no reason to believe this violence will subside anytime soon.


Dear Sir,

It is not clear that there is a direct, linear relationship between poverty and terrorism. Please see a post by 'sparklingway' only a few posts back:

sparklingway said:
An absolutely wrong hypothesis. They want to target public places and inflict maximum damage. The activities of people at Data Darbar (qawwalis, dhamaal, etc.) are deemed to be "shirk" by a significant percentage of our population. The militants have therefore justification for killing civilians because they are committing shirk in their opinion, and hence out of the "daira e islam" as far as they are considered.

This isn't a hopeless and depressed bomber. This is a motivated and resolute bomber. He committed a noble act killing mushriks as far as he is considered.
 
The silence is broken

A long queue of people awaited entry to the Data Darbar Complex in Lahore only 13 hours after the shrine of the Sufi saint was attacked by suicide bombers on Thursday. Their face-off with terrorism may lead to many interpretations, but essentially, those who gathered at the Darbar for Friday prayers were there to assert their right to live by a code that has existed for centuries.

This code has come under more and more pressure as the ‘Gulfisation’ of the country continues at a rampant pace. This process is not restricted to a Kuwait hairdresser cropping up in one corner of a street in Lahore and a Dhahran tuition centre opening up as a tribute to the days its owner spent in the land of the ‘originals’ to earn his bread and butter. Gulfisation of Pakistani society has many faces. Some of these manifestations are very ugly and the state is complicit.


At the press conference a day after the attack on Data Darbar, it was the turn of the leaders of the Sunni Ittehad Council to point out the patronage that some extremist elements are still getting from the government and the officials who represent it. The leaders were categorical in dismissing the current incumbents’ claim to rule, at the same time blaming countries from the Gulf for funding extremist ideas in Pakistan. In a few sentences, the Sunni Ittehad Council brought out the dilemma of the Pakistani people who have to pay a huge price for their own and their political leaderships’ relations with foreigners who have always found reason to call for religion-based social reform to cleanse the Pakistani civilisation.

Wherever you go in Lahore today, discussions about terrorism are centred on foreigners. Usually, the reference is to India, to the Zionist lobby, and to America, its war on terror and the consequences of this war for Pakistanis. Ideologically, the anti-America talk makes as much sense as popular anti-hegemony theories based on the concepts of true independence have always done. This is not to say that the people are unaware of other foreign influences that have of late affected their lives in a big way. They are simply reluctant to speak out for fear of breaching the purist code and find it convenient to vent their spleen on the single imperialist power.

As the two dominating patterns — one from the Gulf and the other from the West — threaten to take over their civilisation, they silently await a Pakistani answer that only ideal and elusive economic independence can generate.

Blame it on Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s pan-Islamist times or pin it on Gen Ziaul Haq’s need for finding a purist version of religion. The consequences of the Pakistani state’s policies have been too dangerous for us to treat them as merely something that happened in the past. The current reality is that, having conceded the high moral ground to a minority group that arbitrates as the guardian of our faith, the state is today too weak to tackle the violence-mongers present in the same minority group. Worse, scratch the surface, and you will find that the state actors are still striving to protect the interests of these appointed guardians, out of political expediency, in good faith or simply out of fear.Now if the state actors are forced to do it out of political expediency, does it mean that their actions only mirror the Pakistani people’s preferences and aspirations? It will be useless to outright reject the argument that society here has turned more ‘fundamentalist’ with time, just as it is preposterous to equate the trends in Pakistani society with, and have them conform to, our appointed moral guardians’ insistence on imposing their system on us, often through coercion and failing that, through violence.

The gathering at Data’s Darbar within hours of the Thursday night attack once again brings to the fore the large peace-loving majority that has been shedding tears and protesting as their icons have come under attack from the invaders one after another. Silently, they have been gathering the fragments after each attack. They are back to their deviant ways at the Bari Imam shrine which was devastated by a bomb attack in May 2005 and they are building Rehman Baba’s dargah brick by brick after it was blown up in March 2009.

They may be lacking in firepower to match the resourcefulness of the so-called purist minority that is hell-bent on charting a short cut to heaven through violent means. However, their return to the centuries-old Data Darbar in a manner as if dictated by nature restores the confidence that they can withstand the current invasion of their lives.

The people have shown a will and it is time for the governments to reciprocate and reassure not through words alone but through actions. We have marked them for operating in an uncertain way, their functions hampered by the perceived interests of the state and self. This entails, willy-nilly, a strategy that has to fall back on material means to fight the monster of terrorism. Even on this count, the stress is on unimaginatively injecting money into the counter-crime or counter-terrorism apparatus and hoping that this in itself will contain the violence (without necessarily affecting the perpetrators to the extent where they become useless for future endeavours for which the state may require them).

The financial grants to the police have been increased manifold and there are forever calls for more funds from foreign donors who have enough reasons to feel wary — even scared — of terrorism bred in this particular part of the world. But there is no evidence so far that the people in charge are working on perfecting a system that will give them the edge that a functioning state must always have over those who challenge its writ and those who disobey its orders. In the event, the only assurance that is from time to time held out to the people is that, if someone has to die, it is going to be the policeman, who is then compensated with the money that the state has put aside for ‘countering terrorism’.

What should be a line of defence is thus reduced to an assembly line of men ready to be sacrificed. Precious lives are lost, and exposed are the very people these defenders are ostensibly there to protect.

DAWN.COM | Editorial | The silence is broken
 
i can smell another conspiracy theory happening sorry buddy wake up please ... and for no sects justify bombings or killing , you really sound like that you dont know much go google sectarianism in pakistan you will get your answers . All these sectarian parties openly justify killing and murdering of civilians

sorry buddy i will google nothing!!! you made a point back it with a fact! :coffee: NO RELIGION JUSTIFIES KILLING :wave: NO DEOBANDI,BARALWI,SHIA,AGHA KHANI OR AHMEDI justify or preach killing!
 
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^^ Yes, but certain religions do excuse it in certain cases.
 
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This article has been doing the rounds on the net, seen it on aol and other wires etc.


Pakistanis blame US after shrine attack kills 42

Most of some two dozen Pakistanis interviewed said that even if Islamist extremists were behind the slaughter at the Data Darbar shrine in Lahore, the root cause of the violence was America's war in Afghanistan, its missile strikes in Pakistan's tribal regions, and its alliance with Islamabad.[/B]

The sentiments underscored the low standing of the U.S. here. The wariness of the U.S. was all the more remarkable considering Thursday's attack was a direct assault on the moderate, Sufi-influenced Islam most Pakistanis still practice, and which the Taliban and allied Islamist extremists despise.

"America is killing Muslims in Afghanistan and in our tribal areas, and militants are attacking Pakistan to express anger against the government for supporting America," explained Zahid Umar, 25, a frequent visitor to the Lahore shrine.

Qaiser Hameed, a car dealer in the southern city of Karachi, said the attacks that have occurred in Pakistan are "directly linked with the situation in Afghanistan and the American aggression there.

"There should be efforts to start negotiations with all the stakeholders in Afghanistan, especially those disgruntled elements who are resisting the American occupation there," he said.


Pakistanis blame US after shrine attack kills 42 - Yahoo! News

This is stupid fallacy of taliban's lovers.
What concern of US drone attacks with Suicide attacks on Data Darbar shrine???
All mullahs and their madressas should be banned who are openly saying Holy shrine a place of shirk.This is 100% solution of terrorism.
 
A move towards more anarchy.

You may label us Indians as much of an enemy as you want, but no one would want a turbulent, unstable neighbor.
The true enemy lies with in your society, the sooner you realize this the better it would be for you.
These are just sensible advices, otherwise you are the masters of your own destiny.

ok BARKHA DUTT!!

no pakistan is not moving towards anarchy CUZ NOT EVERYONE IS PRO TALIBAN AS INDIAN MEDIA WISHES TO PRESUME!so keep dreaming!! yes there are enemies in our society we will deal with them in OUR OWN WAY! as for turbulent and unstable neighbor stop crying yourself to bed every night with such stories! we are STABLE & ABLE so india need not worry!
 
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sorry buddy i will google nothing!!! you made a point back it with a fact! :coffee: NO RELIGION JUSTIFIES KILLING :wave: NO DEOBANDI,BARALWI,SHIA,AGHA KHANI OR AHMEDI justify or preach killing!



Sorry to disagree Hon sir.

I have heard late Maulana AzamTariq of SSP in BBC Channel 4 documentary about 10 years ago who said that I sometime tell my students to go and “Do the Shias”.

A book called “ Shias are Muslim or Kaffir, you decide” mentioned names of one mullah every century since the 7th century who declares Shias as “Wajibul Qatl”. This book was written by bigots of all bigots Mullah Zia ur Rahman Farooqi. He conveniently ignored the thousands of scholars who thought otherwise.

Taliban killed all Shias when they took over Mazaar Sharif including the Iranian staff of the Consulate who had diplomatic immunity. Hazara Shias did the same when they recaptured Bamian from the Sunni Taliban.

Recently a Mosque in Landi Kotal was declared as “Masjid Zaraar” and was blown up. Completely disregarding the life of any worshipper who may be inside.

Other religions are no different. Shiv Sena preaches and justifies killing Muslims in the name of religious. RSS, another extremist Hindu movement never apologized for the killing of Mahatma Gandhi; mainly he was too soft on Harijans.

Sikh Akali Dal was originally formed with the sole purpose of killing the ‘Toork’ meaning Muslims.

Supposed followers of the most pacifist person ever born (Prophet Jesus Christ) known as Crusaders; had the philosophy that if you died in the service of Christ, you are glorified. If you kill in the service of Christ, Christ is glorified.

Spanish inquisition, sanction by the Pope killed thousands of innocent people for harboring “Non Christian” beliefs. This carried on for nearly 400 years.

Regret to say that teaching of all religions may be peaceful but this is not so in practice.
Followers of all religion that is Muslims, Christians, Hindus or Sikhs; indulged in genocide and bigotry given half the chance. These days most of the bigots happen to be Muslims.

My personal experience is that people who are overtly very religious turn out be rather ruthless and lacking in compassion.
 
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