Blast in Westridge, Rawalpindi

[pak-marine]

All we can do is speculate -

This is no speculation this is clear army has spooks inside who are sold cheap and giving away targets ! how does these attackers get in GHQ than this mosque , its obvious they knew & have the full intel about security inside both premises! Bigger question is who are these rats and why are they doing this? and how could PA crush em?

Also Boss if they are getting helped by foreignors than they are more dangerous than TTP ,Raw ,Mosad or may b the Mars Intl agency

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Therefore Indian funding and support in terms of intel and resources cannot be ruled out. That said, the people being used by the Indians are Pakistanis and so called 'Muslims' - they did not descend from Mars, nor are they Indians smuggled across the border. Some people keep referring to 'uncircumcised penises' - whatever that proves, it does not change the fact that Mullah FM is Pakistani, Baitullah Mehsud was Pakistani, Hakimullah Mehsud is Pakistani, Wali-ur-Rehman (who took responsibility for this attack) is Pakistani, Muslim Khan, Maulvi Umer and the thousands of militants arrested in Swat and FATA are all Pakistani, and so called 'Muslims'.

So while I am completely supportive of continuing to suspect the Indians of supporting these groups, I think it utterly stupid and naive to argue that somehow all these acts are carried out by 'non-Pakistanis' or 'non-Muslims'. And whether the Indians are supporting these groups or not, the only way to end this scourge is to eliminate the groups and individuals willing to kill their own countrymen and accept funding and support from the Indians while doing so.

The TTP and all those associated with it must be eliminated.

And lets not assume that the Indians are the primary funding source when all credible information indicates that foreign donors from the Gulf and Afghan drug money are the two biggest sources for TTP funding.

While the indians may be involved to some extent, we don't want to ignore the much more visible role of the Salafi Jihad Network, AQ affiliates and the local supporters of the TTP.

FACT: Entities like the JI, TNSM and the Lal Masjid brigade are mouthpieces for the TTP - many of their members have also been found to be actively involved with TTP.

Are pro- jihadi JI and pro-Fazlullah TNSM working for India?....not likely.

So logically, the TNSM and JI have NON-INDIAN benefactors, who have a strong interest in seeing the TTP swine kill pakistanis and establish its own fiefdom.

 

[pak-marine]

here is some thing about funding TTP getting all its funds from khi here is what the city mayor says"" Karachi the Taliban revenue engine: Mustafa Kamal

Wednesday, 02 Dec, 2009

Karachi’s mayor Syed Mustafa Kamal. — Photo by Stephan Andrew/White Star
Metropolitan
Local councils to stay even after Dec 31: Kamal
Local councils to stay even after Dec 31: Kamal

KARACHI: Pakistan's biggest city and commercial hub of Karachi is the revenue engine of the Taliban who pose a threat to the US military operation in Afghanistan from city no-go areas, Karachi's mayor said on Wednesday.

The city of 18 million people generates 68 per cent of the government revenue and 25 per cent of Pakistan's gross domestic product but it is vulnerable to both militant attacks and political violence, said mayor Syed Mustafa Kamal.

‘As Karachi is the revenue engine for Pakistan, it's the same revenue engine for the Taliban,’ Kamal told Reuters in an interview in his office.

While investors in Pakistan's stock market are getting used to almost daily violence in northwestern parts of the country, violence in Karachi would have an immediate impact on financial markets, dealers say.

Karachi has been largely free of militant attacks over the past two years which Kamal put down to his party's strong and popular stand against militancy combined with effective security operations.

Eight militant gangs had been rounded up in the city over recent months, including one planning to attack an oil storage depot next to the country's main port in the city, he said.

‘Half of Karachi would have burned,’ said Kamal, referring to the foiled depot attack.

A dynamic 37-year-old, Kamal has won support with his efforts to ease traffic gridlock and improve woeful services.

Kamal said a large proportion of supplies bound for US-led forces in landlocked Afghanistan arrive at Karachi's port, which he said was still vulnerable to an attack that could cripple the US war effort.

‘If they don't get their water supply through this route the next day they'll be drinking Afghan water and the next day half the army will have stomach problems,’ he said.

‘That’s abnormal’

The city, which has long suffered a reputation for political violence and crime, still had no-go areas where the authorities including the police dared not venture, he said.

‘These no-go areas give room for any terrorist, no matter how small or big, to come and stay,’ said Kamal, though he said he did not believe press reports that Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar was hiding in the city.

But he said militants were financing their war in the northwest of the country and in Afghanistan through kidnapping and drug trafficking through Karachi.

‘People are being kidnapped here in Karachi and the ransom is taken in Waziristan,’ he said.

Four hundred million rupees had recently been sent from one Karachi bank branch to various parts of the northwest in one month, he said.

‘That's abnormal,’ he said. ‘For sure, the biggest chunk of Taliban war...resources are going from Karachi.’

Kamal is a member of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), which represents mohajirs, the descendents of Urdu-speaking people who migrated from India after the creation of Pakistan in 1947.

They are the biggest community in Karachi and dominate its administration.

The MQM, now an uneasy member of the federal coalition government, was heavily involved in bloody factional battles in Karachi in the 1990s.

Kamal said Karachi remains volatile and vulnerable to factional violence: ‘It would just take a single statement to burn the whole city.’ But he said the MQM had a new mentality and maturity.

‘We understand very well that Karachi is the backbone of Pakistan's economy,’ he said. ‘If something, God forbid, happens the MQM would be the biggest loser.’

‘I don't have a house in Peshawar or Lahore, nor can I go to New Delhi again ... My graveyard is here.’

 

[BATMAN]

Note to AgnosticMuslim: This is partly why it is so important to identify the REAL primary sponsors of TTP, and educate the average public about the clear and present danger posed by such elements.

If BATMAN had his way, he'd be staking out the IG's house to catch the TTP masterminds!

Your post history is full of blaming Pak army general and suggesting to take them out!
what does this means you have been involved in all terrorist acts against army officers.

I repeat, IG islamabad is a traitor and must be replaced along with minister of state, interior minister etc.

Now, for the information of idiots like you, All terrorist are kidnapped children by indan army in afghanistan in last 10 years of US occupation, they are trained and raised inside afghanistan with intent to destabalize Pakistan.
They are armed with indian & US wepons. Already established indian plants are assisting them which includes, IG islamabad, bhagwandass, aitizaz ahsan, asma jehangir etc.
Only solution to Pakistan's problem is to nuke india and all problems wil be solved with it.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

All we can do is speculate -

This is no speculation this is clear army has spooks inside who are sold cheap and giving away targets ! how does these attackers get in GHQ than this mosque , its obvious they knew & have the full intel about security inside both premises! Bigger question is who are these rats and why are they doing this? and how could PA crush em?

Like you, I think that a few insiders within the military establishment have sold out to the TTP/Jihadi network - admittedly speculation on my part in light of recent attacks.

However, I have not accused any serving officer and have simply suggested that the possibility of insider collusion be vigorously investigated. Whats wrong with that??

 

[TaimiKhan]

All we can do is speculate -

This is no speculation this is clear army has spooks inside who are sold cheap and giving away targets ! how does these attackers get in GHQ than this mosque , its obvious they knew & have the full intel about security inside both premises! Bigger question is who are these rats and why are they doing this? and how could PA crush em?

Also Boss if they are getting helped by foreignors than they are more dangerous than TTP ,Raw ,Mosad or may b the Mars Intl agency

I don't understand why people keep repeating that they got inside the GHQ, while in reality they did not. All they could do was get to the security compound where visitors would used to come and passes either got issued for entering GHQ or the person for whom the visitor had come, would come to this compound and meet the guest. So reaching this place was no big issue as there was only one check post before you reach this compound where the 2nd check post was and then further on other security arrangements in place and the major factor that lead them inside to this compound was their uniform which confused the guys at the security compound thinking them their own otherwise they would have been taken down too just like other 4. Plus, the captured militant Dr.Usman is ex-army having been worked in AMC corps and was ex-assistant to Lt Gen Mushtaq whom he later assassinated. Ex-soldiers having joined these takfiri ranks is no hidden fact, even some brainwashed ex-officers joining them is not hidden fact too. So with ex-service guys in their ranks, having such information is no big problem, even i being a civilian and hundreds of others like me know well who goes to which Masjid and where those Masjids are. And guessing about security arrangements is no big problem too, as we see those arrangement on daily basis and finding loop holes is no big issue and these guys don't plan such attacks in a day or two, weeks, months take for such preparations and they already have planned targets on which preparations has already been done, just final touches are given when order to execute them is given.

Do remember, in the assassination attempt on Musharaf, ex-SSG guy had helped these takfiri thugs just for money.

It was a normal masjid in a military residential area, where civilians could come too and for these thugs knowing the security layout was no big deal.

 

[TaimiKhan]

And lets not assume that the Indians are the primary funding source when all credible information indicates that foreign donors from the Gulf and Afghan drug money are the two biggest sources for TTP funding.

I believe AM did not said primary source, rather a source providing funding, intel and resources, all of them. TTP kind of organizations would take money and any kind of help from anywhere they can get their hands on.

Even their weapons and gadgets are different then the Taliban having in SW or Afghan Taliban. My cozn is in Orakzai and he can't tell his mother when he will be home, he says can't come for one week and bang in 3 hrs he is at home, when asked, he said TTP guys have intercept equipment and can listen to even GSM signals. Just imagine, they can listen to GSM signals which is thought to be much much secure compared to old AIMs technology. So one asks who gave them the tech to intercept GSM and army communication signals ??

TTP guys have frequency hoping radios, not easy to find as they are military grade gadgets, even PA got them from US few years back in a around 100Million USD deal, some Harris Radios. So one should ask how these thugs get such hitech equipment and who gives them.

 

[pak-marine]

the captured militant Dr.Usman is ex-army having been worked in AMC corps and was ex-assistant to Lt Gen Mushtaq whom he later assassinated. Ex-soldiers having joined these takfiri ranks is no hidden fact, even some brainwashed ex-officers joining them is not hidden fact too. So with ex-service guys in their ranks, having such information

It was a normal masjid in a military residential area, where civilians could come too and for these thugs knowing the security layout was no big deal.

above is nothing but the regular denial mode the whole nation is in including the armed forces .. ""No Big deal !! ehh easy to say but ask ones who lost loved ones this is either careless attitude which i doubt as PA is very professional ! or armed forces being infiltrated with ghadars !! which clearly is the case here

 

[BATMAN]

They have field computers which are data linked to drones and sattalite.
they can even see the movement of Pak army foot soldiers on their screen.

There is hardly any check on borders passings of afghanistan.

whole Pakistan knows that US has been protecting the B.Mehsud.

 

[TaimiKhan]

above is nothing but the regular denial mode the whole nation is in including the armed forces .. ""No Big deal !! ehh easy to say but ask ones who lost loved ones this is either careless attitude which i doubt as PA is very professional ! or armed forces being infiltrated with ghadars !! which clearly is the case here

whatever u wish to think upto u, i just tried to give another perspective as there is not one confirm factor.

 

[pak-marine]

I believe AM did not said primary source, rather a source providing funding, intel and resources, all of them. TTP kind of organizations would take money and any kind of help from anywhere they can get their hands on.

So one asks who gave them the tech to intercept GSM and army communication signals ??

Its very simple the kind of funding these thugs have they can go and buy all kind of weapons and equipment , step on their funding and they wil be half dead

 

[TaimiKhan]

Its very simple the kind of funding these thugs have they can go and buy all kind of weapons and equipment , step on their funding and they wil be half dead

But somebody from Afghanistan having connections to such hi-tech equipment is providing it. Who has such reach ?? Who gets them inside the country and then gives it to them ?? TTP may have not even bought it, not a single dollar they may have spent on it, it can be for free from those who wish to help them against us.

 

[BATMAN]

Like you, I think that a few insiders within the military establishment have sold out to the TTP/Jihadi network - admittedly speculation on my part in light of recent attacks.

However, I have not accused any serving officer and have simply suggested that the possibility of insider collusion be vigorously investigated. Whats wrong with that??

No it is interior ministry which is assisting terrorists openly.
Pakistan foreign embassy is withholding the proofs. why?
Police in islamabad has been releasing captured and armed terrorists, iftikhar ch. has rreleased many terrorists of lal mosque and he is famous for taking bribes.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Plus, the captured militant Dr.Usman is ex-army having been worked in AMC corps and was ex-assistant to Lt Gen Mushtaq whom he later assassinated. Ex-soldiers having joined these takfiri ranks is no hidden fact, even some brainwashed ex-officers joining them is not hidden fact too.

Do remember, in the assassination attempt on Musharaf, ex-SSG guy had helped these takfiri thugs just for money.

It was a normal masjid in a military residential area, where civilians could come too and for these thugs knowing the security layout was no big deal.

TK:

Okay - it seems that there are lots of ex-military personnel and officers who have joined the ranks of the takfiri TTP thugs. I recall an Amir Mir report indicating that there were several ex-military officers sitting on the TNSM 'shura' while Fazllulah was ruling the roost.

I have one question:

When have these soldiers and army officers, historically speaking, begun to 'strongly' sympathize with the extremists? Is it usually a few months after they leave service, is it the very next day, or is it while they are still serving?

When did these officers or soldiers decide that they'd much rather help the Salafi TTP thugs terrorise the people?

I'm sure the military must have investigated past particular instances of this reverse-indoctrination dynamic. Any insights??

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

so is there any way to counter those loop holes in PA. BTW what i fail to understand is how come the officers in PA support these thugs , i mean either they do not have confidence in the policies opted by the higher brass(as they might suspect them to be working to serve forighn powers acting just out of fear) or they are those disgruntled officers who are victims of some kind of mishandling and unfavouring decisions...
I think in such circumstances everybody looks toward the high brass and stick them up with huge expectations and when they dont meet those expectations everybody feels demoralized .Its here where the PA's Leadership Lacks . I mean once they know(for sure) that who the real culprits are why dont they do something about it rather than chest beating in media that we would go to any extent to save Pakistan why dont they just do it in-order to neutralize the enemy just on small scale . Unfortunately despite having the Power to go for such real thugs the master minds the PA's leadership makes decision by felling threatened by the empty threat posed .
In short what the hell are those generals and strategists in ISI,MO,Strategik Plans Div or GHQ doing except for smoking those quban cigars and making decisions by merely feeling threatened by the empty threat posed by our true enemy across both Eastern and western borders....