Blanket Air Defense for Pakistan

[longbrained]

In the view of new events, it has become urgent that Pakistan acquire some modern air defense systems that give blanket protection for the whole of the country in an integrated smart network fashion.

These are some of the options that are readily available to Pakistan as well as being highly capable:

FD-2000 system strategic SAM capable of countering fighters, bombers, UAV's, helicopters, AWACS, Transporters, Cruise missiles and with some Anti-Stealth and Anti-Ballistic capability, (Range: 125 Km):

For point defense such as specific areas, buildings, bases and check posts in addition to long range coverage of FD-2000, Pakistan can acquire this system:

LD-2000 CIWS: Close point air defense, Capable of countering fighters, bombers, UAV's, helicopters, Precision guided munitions as well as C-RAM capability. 30 mm Gatling SPAAGM: (Range: 3 Km)

More info:
FD-2000 / FT-2000 Self Propelled Air Defence System

LD-2000 Mechanised Infantry Division Air Defence Systems

 

[forcetrip]

Let me clap my hands and consider it done .. if not, please have other members clap their hands as well .. im sure that will do the trick.

 

[untitled]

Let me clap my hands and consider it done .. if not, please have other members clap their hands as well .. im sure that will do the trick.

Maybe it will by the effects of the Chaos theory. If a butterfly can cause a tornado then why cant clapping of hands give Pakistan air cover ?

 

[longbrained]

Let me clap my hands and consider it done .. if not, please have other members clap their hands as well .. im sure that will do the trick.

It is actually easier than clapping. The systems are Chinese and can be acquired very easily besides they are cheap. Pakistan just needs perhaps 12 of these FD-2000 with a range radius of 125 Km to give complete coverage of entire nation. At the cost of less than 100 million dollars a piece (S-300PMU costs 150 million) and with a brotherly Chinese concession it would perhaps cost about a billion dollar to get 12 systems. LD-2000 costs perhaps less than 2 million dollars a piece and 500 of those would again cost another billion dollar. Total cost of giving a superb air defense for Pakistan is two billion dollars. Not very expensive. Besides China delivers it quick to Pakistan over a year or max two. Consider this:

Just like JF-17 program we can get Chinese loan of lets say 20 years to finance these system. With low Chinese interests that would come to just 10 million dollars a month. This amount is peanuts for Pakistan since it comes to just 0.18 cents per person per day or almost 0.16 Pakistani rupees or 16 Paisa per person per day. Even if we tax only coca cola and pepsi by one additional rupee it will be enough to give Pakistan complete air defense coverage.

It is not only for today that we need such a system. Because such a system coverage over all of Pakistan also goes a long way to counter Indian threats as well. All that for a small price.

 

[T90TankGuy]

In the view of new events, it has become urgent that Pakistan acquire some modern air defense systems that give blanket protection for the whole of the country in an integrated smart network fashion.

These are some of the options that are readily available to Pakistan as well as being highly capable:

FD-2000 system strategic SAM capable of countering fighters, bombers, UAV's, helicopters, AWACS, Transporters, Cruise missiles and with some Anti-Stealth and Anti-Ballistic capability, (Range: 125 Km):

For point defense such as specific areas, buildings, bases and check posts in addition to long range coverage of FD-2000, Pakistan can acquire this system:

LD-2000 CIWS: Close point air defense, Capable of countering fighters, bombers, UAV's, helicopters, Precision guided munitions as well as C-RAM capability. 30 mm Gatling SPAAGM: (Range: 3 Km)

More info:
FD-2000 / FT-2000 Self Propelled Air Defence System

LD-2000 Mechanised Infantry Division Air Defence Systems

you sure you did not leave out star wars and intergalactic defense weapons too?
get real mate who will sell them to you ? and second please remember the US was your largest military aid sponsor . thats stopped . now who ? china?

 

[Doctor09]

we strongly need a strong air defence system without this we will be at the mercy of our enemy

 

[MilSpec]

well ... you can buy as many missiles to shoot down everything that flies... but where will your leaders get the "will" to stand up to uncle sam???

 

[longbrained]

you sure you did not leave out star wars and intergalactic defense weapons too?
get real mate who will sell them to you ? and second please remember the US was your largest military aid sponsor . thats stopped . now who ? china?

The systems are very readily available in no frills models since they are Chinese. Star wars and intergalactic weapons are banned universally by Outer Space Treaty. And I do not understand your objection since India is itself buying weapons like a mad man, left and right having already bought S-300 and now going for S-400 in addition to Tor M1 and Pantsir S1/ Tanguska etc.

 

[Al Bhatti]

we strongly need a strong air defence system without this we will be at the mercy of our enemy

I am not saying we should not acquire something like them.

But how long it will take to source out+finance+train personal+acquire them+ship them. It is a long period, and by that time how many more intrusions/attacks would have taken place.

 

[untitled]

Star wars and intergalactic weapons are banned

I got to see one of those

 

[longbrained]

we strongly need a strong air defence system without this we will be at the mercy of our enemy

That is what people do not understand. Pakistan needs a modern up to date integrated air defense system that does not leave out some guys on the border in the cold at 2:00 am. An integrated system has a central control room for the whole country where all data is integrated and shoot orders issued to modern SAM and SPAAGM in matter of seconds. Pakistan needs this system yesterday as all modern wars are being fought by air assets. Brave soldiers on the ground have no chance against immoral air assets, the only equalizer that can force the immoral enemy to come down to ground and fight is such an air defense system.

 

[longbrained]

I am not saying we should not acquire something like them.

But how long it will take to source out+finance+train personal+acquire them+ship them. It is a long period, and by that time how many more intrusions/attacks would have taken place.

Not at all. The system are all fully developed and are already being produced in China. As you might remember China has already entertained emergency orders for JF-17's after Mehran attack so there should be no worry that they will not this time. Chinese banks are flush with money and finance will be happily provided by them as they are already doing for JF-17's too. The only time consuming process is the manufacturing of the systems which I guess would not take more than a year or two maximum since China is the world's factory producing most of the world's goodies. So again, that is not bad if Pakistan can have those system by end of 2012. Before Obama leaves office or before NATO leaves Afghanistan and at any rate Indian threat is going to be there as well. As for costs you can read my above post about it.

 

[longbrained]

well ... you can buy as many missiles to shoot down everything that flies... but where will your leaders get the "will" to stand up to uncle sam???

Right now we do not have right tools to counter such threats. The question of will only comes after we have the right tools in hand. Rest assured that once those tools are in place so will be the will. And in any case once Pakistan deploys such systems, no NATO pilot would even dare to get close to Pakistani border without wetting his pants let alone thinking about shooting at Pakistanis. So once Pakistan has such systems the will of those pilots and their commanders are not going to be any better since even the loss of a single helicopter or A-10 or F-15 or F-18 would be disastrous for them. Right now they know that they can get away with it since the only danger they face when they are shooting at Pakistanis is engine failure. So that makes them bold. Once they know the area is under the cover of FD-2000 and LD-2000, the situation changes rapidly with regard to the will of the pilots.

 

[forcetrip]

Not at all. The system are all fully developed and are already being produced in China. As you might remember China has already entertained emergency orders for JF-17's after Mehran attack so there should be no worry that they will not this time. Chinese banks are flush with money and finance will be happily provided by them as they are already doing for JF-17's too. The only time consuming process is the manufacturing of the systems which I guess would not take more than a year or two maximum since China is the world's factory producing most of the world's goodies. So again, that is not bad if Pakistan can have those system by end of 2012. Before Obama leaves office or before NATO leaves Afghanistan and at any rate Indian threat is going to be there as well. As for costs you can read my above post about it.

The stop gap approach of getting things is done and over. The air attacks will not stop, we have no expertise in air defense nor the oil money to shell out for superior air defense assets. Hell, we dont have money to get a 10 day oil supply to run a country let alone a war. It is time to fall back on what we know how to do best. Wish things get better or blame someone else of our 30 years of inefficiency that we have already taught our children. Me and you are what this countries problem is .. Well since "you" are not here I guess I will take the "me" and complain about it in the mirror.

 

[longbrained]

The stop gap approach of getting things is done and over. The air attacks will not stop, we have no expertise in air defense nor the oil money to shell out for superior air defense assets. Hell, we dont have money to get a 10 day oil supply to run a country let alone a war. It is time to fall back on what we know how to do best. Wish things get better or blame someone else of our 30 years of inefficiency that we have already taught our children. Me and you are what this countries problem is .. Well since "you" are not here I guess I will take the "me" and complain about it in the mirror.

What are you saying bro? We are all Pakistanis and our pain is one and the same. Where this hopelessness is coming from? I do not understand. Those systems are not something Pakistan can not afford as I said it just costs each Pakistan just 16 Paisa per day which even the poorest of Pakistanis can afford to ditch out. No one is going to war with Pakistan which is a nuclear nation. But we need minimal conventional defense such as these systems to stop occasional foolishness of some countries. As for resources, oil is not everything. There are other resources which are as valuable and Pakistan has plenty from copper to lithium. Check it out.