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Bid to block Pakistan F-16 sale fails in U.S. Senate

People should remember that Block-52D are the most advanced aircraft in the sub-continent, hence PAF went for another six and just two single seater ''C'' models. There's a reason they are kept separate from all other systems....ask some one who flies one of these beauties and you may get an idea of the cutting edge technology and the awesome fire-power this sleek jet incorporates.

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Which is that region? Just to see which world you live in ??
AfPak..:azn:

He won't win, it will be Hilary. Even if he does win, who cares. He is a business man. As long as we pay, I am sure he will supply.



The region of which Pakistan is in. The F16 is better than the J10, the SU30, the Tejas, the F14, the MIG29, I could go on and on.
Wake up and have a strong cup of coffee...
 
You've got JF17 Thunder, so the eggs are not in one basket.

To the most extent indeed and agreed but should not rely on F-16s alone and hopefully we are doing the right thing while looking for other superiority options as well IMO.
 
People should remember that Block-52D are the most advanced aircraft in the sub-continent, hence PAF went for another six and just two single seater ''C'' models. There's a reason they are kept separate from all other systems....ask some one who flies one of these beauties and you may get an idea of the cutting edge technology and the awesome fire-power this sleek jet incorporates.

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F16s grown up from Teenage to Bodybuilder :) now have bodybuilding Bumps on arms :)
 
Without giving any F to these 8 f-sola, What happened to that famous Indian lobby? Bill was rejected/passed with two third majority!

On a serious issue. For those silly buggers who in their over excitement thinking this deal as free lunch, American government only paying 46% of the bill, so at 700 million $ for whole package, that will still cost nearly 38 million a pop to Pakistan tax payer's money. Shouldnt a fourth generation jet cost less then 38 million anyway with full package, for this amount for a fourth generation jet, where we could have negotiated with Russians for their 4.5 generation SU35 is not really making good sense. The figures coming up are balloned for sure to make it look like America is doing a favour to Pakistan, but for all the money, we are paying through our nose for a fourth generation jet.

something is very fishy about this deal. NAB needs to investigate this , and keep a very watchful eye on PAF high ups and their bank accounts.

Nothing is bigger then Pakistan and under current geopolitical scenario this deal doesn't make any sense except some corruption at very high level.
 
This is what @MastanKhan has been saying all along:
"The sale also gives the U.S. leverage over the long haul with Islamabad, Corker said. The F-16 deal comes with 30 years of maintenance, which Corker said could be withdrawn at any time. That would leave Pakistan without the parts and expertise to keep the high-tech aircraft in the air."
well its true though isnt it. is the united states gonna sacrifice its influence in the region over india's concerns?
 
congress has held back the financing / subsidy which makes up nearly 50% of the 700 mill $ deal. if Pakistan wants all 8 F16s with accessories, it has to come up with this component (50%) with its own funds, otherwise only 4 F16s with accessories will be delivered.

Can't find the article, but US Congress has no objection to the sale of F-16s per se, but many do object to US footing half the bill. So the whole deal might be still up in the air.
 
congress records

Mr. PAUL. Madam President, pursuant to the Arms Export Control Act of 1976, I move to discharge the Committee on Foreign Relations from further consideration of S.J. Res. 31, relating to the disapproval of the proposed foreign military sale to the Government of Pakistan.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The motion is debatable for up to 1 hour.

Mr. PAUL. Madam President, I rise in opposition to the American taxpayers being forced to pay for fighter jets for Pakistan. Over $300 million from the American taxpayers will be designated to go to Pakistan to pay for eight new F-16s for Pakistan. We have a lot of problems here in our country, my friends. We have a lot of things going on in our country that need to be taken care of, and we don't have enough money to be sending it to Pakistan. I can't in good conscience look away as America crumbles at home and politicians tax us to send the money to corrupt and duplicitous regimes abroad.

When I travel across Kentucky and I see the look of despair in the eyes of out-of-work coal miners, when I see the anguish in the faces of those who live in constant poverty, I wonder why the establishment of both parties continues to send our money overseas to countries that take our money, take our arms, and laugh in our faces.

We have given $15 billion to Pakistan--$15 billion over the last decade--yet their previous President admits that Pakistan armed, aided, and abetted the Taliban. You remember the Taliban in Afghanistan that harbored and hosted bin Laden for a decade? Pakistan helped them. Pakistan was one of only two countries that recognized the Taliban. Why in the world would we be taxing the American people to send this money to Pakistan?

Remember when bin Laden escaped? We chased him and he escaped. Where did he go? To Pakistan. He lived for a decade in Pakistan. Where? About a mile away from their military academy. Somehow they missed him. There in a 15-foot-high walled compound, bin Laden stayed in Pakistan while we funneled billions upon billions of dollars to them.

Pakistan to this day is said to look away, to not look at the Haqqani network. In fact, it is accused that many members of their government are complicit with the Haqqani network. Who is the Haqqani network? It is a network of terrorists who kill Americans. We have American soldiers dying at the hands of Pakistani terrorists while that government looks the other way.

GEN John F. Campbell testified before Congress that the Haqqani network remains the most capable threat to U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Yet we are asked to send F-16s and good money after bad to a government in Pakistan that looks the other way.

Pakistan is, at best, a frenemy--part friend and a lot enemy. If Pakistan truly wants to be our ally, if Pakistan truly wants to help in the war on radical Islam, it should not require a bribe; it should not require the American taxpayer to subsidize arms sales. They already have 70 F-16s. They have an air force of F-16s. What would happen if we didn't send them eight more that we are being asked to pay for? Maybe they would listen. Maybe they would help us. Maybe they would be an honest broker in the fight against terrorism.

We are $19 trillion in debt. We borrow $1 million a minute. We don't have any money to send to Pakistan to bribe them to buy planes from us. We don't have the money. We have problems at home. Our infrastructure crumbles at home. We have longstanding poverty at home. We have problems in America, and we can't afford to borrow the money from China to send it to Pakistan.

In my State, in Kentucky, we have a dozen counties with unemployment nearly double the national rate.

In Magoffin County, KY, 12.5 percent of people are out of work. Today, those who will vote to send money to Pakistan need to come with me to Kentucky. They need to come to Magoffin County, and they need to look people in the face who are out of work in America and explain to them why we should send money to Pakistan. We have people hurting here at home.

In Harlan, the President's war on coal has led to longstanding double-digit unemployment. In Harlan, KY, people are out of work. People live in poverty, and they don't understand why Congress is sending money to Pakistan.

In Leslie County, high unemployment prompts their citizens to ask: Why? Why is the government spending billions of dollars for advanced fighter jets for foreigners? They don't understand it. They can't understand, when they live from day to day, why their government is sending money to Pakistan.

As I travel around Kentucky, I ask my constituents: Should America send money and arms to a country that persecutes Christians? I have yet to meet a single voter who wants their tax dollars going to countries that persecute Christians.

In Pakistan, it is the law; it is in their Constitution that if you criticize the state religion, you can be put to death. Asia Bibi has been on death row for nearly 5 years. Asia Bibi is a Christian. Her crime? She went to the well to draw water, and the villagers began to stone her. They beat her with sticks until she was bleeding. They continued to stone her as they chanted ``Death, death to the Christian.''

The police finally arrived, and she thought she had been saved, only to be arrested by the Pakistani police. There she sits on death row for 5 years. Is it an ally? Is it a civilized nation that puts Christians to death for criticizing the state religion? I defy any Member of this body to go home and talk to the first voter. Go outside the Beltway. Leave Congress and drive outside the Beltway and stop at the first gas station or stop at the first grocery store

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and ask anybody--Republican, Democrat, or Independent: Should we be sending money to a country that persecutes Christians?
Asia Bibi sits on death row for criticizing the state religion, and your money goes to support her government. What will happen to Pakistan if they don't get eight more F-16s? They will have only 70 F-16s.

Most of the politicians here simply don't care. They don't care whether Pakistan persecutes Christians. They know only one way. The one way is to open our wallet and bleed us dry and hope that someday Pakistan will change its behavior. Guess what. If you are not strong enough to vote for this resolution, if you think some kind of cajoling, flattery, and nice talk with empty words are going to change the behavior of Pakistan, you have another thought coming. It has been going on for decades.

When I forced a vote in the Foreign Relations Committee to say that countries which put Christians to death for criticizing the state religion--there are about 34 of these countries, a couple of dozen of them who received money from us, American tax dollars going to countries that persecute Christians. When I introduced the amendment to say: Guess what. Let's not do it anymore. Any country that has a law that compels a Christian and puts a Christian to death, that country would no longer receive our money. Do you know what the vote was? It was 18 to 2 from Washington politicians to keep sending good money after bad because they say: Oh, the moderates there are going to change their minds someday.

We have given them $15 billion, and I see no evidence of change in behavior. I see insolence, arrogance, and people who laugh as they cash our checks.

Is Pakistan our ally in the War on Terror? Well, not only did they help the Taliban that hosted Bin Laden for a decade, but when they finally got Bin Laden, we got him with evidence that was given to us by a doctor in Pakistan. His name is Shakil Afridi. Where is he now? Pakistan has locked him away in a dark, dank prison from which he will probably never be released.

Shakil Afridi has essentially been given a life sentence by Pakistan for the crime of helping the United States and helping all civilized nations get to Bin Laden. He sat under the noses of the Pakistani Government for a decade. We finally got him when Shakil Afridi helped us.

People aren't going to continue to help America if we don't help them, if we don't protect our human intelligence, if we don't protect those who are willing to help America. He sits and rots in a prison. What message do we send to Pakistan if we send them eight more F-16s and we tell you, the American taxpayer, you are paying for it? What message does that send to Pakistan? The message to Pakistan is that we will just keep thumbing our nose at America, we will keep cashing their checks, and we will laugh all the way to the bank as we do nothing to release the Christians on death row or to release the doctor who helped us.

Should we give planes to a country that imprisons these heroes--heroes who helped and put their lives on the line for our country?

Today we will vote on whether the American taxpayers should foot the bill. I have yet to meet a voter in my State of Kentucky or across America who thinks it is a good idea to send more money to Pakistan. We have a $19-trillion debt. We borrow $1 million a minute. We have no money. It is not even a surplus. They say we are going to influence Pakistan or they may rise up and say: Oh, the resolution will not stop the money. The heck it will not. If my resolution passes, if it becomes law, the eight jets will not go to Pakistan, they will not be subsidized, and not one penny of American tax dollars will go to Pakistan. That is the absolute truth. No matter what they tell you, this stops the sale. It stops the subsidy.

We have to borrow money from China to send it to Pakistan. Such a policy is insane and supported by no one outside of Washington. You go anywhere in America and ask them: Should we give money? Should the taxpayer be forced to give money to Pakistan, a country that persecutes Christians? Nobody is for it. Yet the vast and out-of-touch establishment in Washington continues to do it. Is it any wonder that people are unhappy with Washington? Is it any wonder that Americans are sick and tired of the status quo, sick and tired of people not listening to them?

We have no money in the Treasury. We are all out of money. This influences nothing, other than to tell the Pakistanis they can continue doing what they want. I urge my colleagues to vote against subsidized sales of fighter jets to Pakistan.

I reserve the remainder of my time.

Can the Chair tell me how much time I have remaining?

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Scott). The Senator has used 14 minutes.

Mr. PAUL. So I have 16 remaining?

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Yes.

Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I would like to say a few remarks about this resolution of disapproval.

While I oppose this measure, I share the junior Senator from Kentucky's frustration with some aspects of our relationship with Pakistan. Notably, I think the jailing of Dr. Shakil Afridi for 23 years under highly questionable charges is an outrage.

For those of you who don't remember, Dr. Afridi helped the United States locate Osama bin Laden. His approach may have been debatable, but one thing is clear--he doesn't deserve to languish in a Pakistani jail for more than two decades on manufactured charges.

I have also been troubled by the Pakistani military and intelligence service's support for militant groups that work against U.S. interests in the region. In fact, I would argue that many of these groups are also working against the long term interests of our friends in Pakistan as well, as evidenced by its own domestic terrorist problem.

I am also concerned that, despite important foreign aid given to Pakistan, there remains a troubling failure to address basic and urgent development needs--particularly education and schooling for girls. We also see continued cases of extreme religious intolerance, including death sentences for dubious charges of blasphemy.

At the same time, I also want to take a moment to acknowledge that Pakistan has suffered horrible losses in taking on militant groups within its own borders--something I don't think we always recognize.

And most importantly, I want to stress the importance of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee--let's allow it to do its work and thoroughly consider this resolution first, rather than rush it through the Senate.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority leader.

Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that all time be yielded back.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?

Without objection, it is so ordered.

Mr. McCONNELL. I move to table the motion to discharge.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on agreeing to the motion to table.

Mr. McCONNELL. I ask for the yeas and nays.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?

There appears to be a sufficient second.

The clerk will call the roll.

The bill clerk called the roll.

Mr. CORNYN. The following Senators are necessarily absent: the Senator from Texas (Mr. Cruz), the Senator from Utah (Mr. Lee), and the Senator from Florida (Mr. Rubio).

Further, if present and voting, the Senator from Utah (Mr. Lee) would have voted ``nay.''

Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from Missouri (Mrs. McCaskill) and the Senator from Vermont (Mr. Sanders) are necessarily absent.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Hoeven). Are there any other Senators in the Chamber desiring to vote?

The result was announced--yeas 71, nays 24, as follows:

[Rollcall Vote No. 35 Leg.] YEAS--71
Alexander

Baldwin

Barrasso

Bennet

Blumenthal

Blunt

Boozman

Burr

Cantwell

Cardin

Carper

Casey

Cassidy

Coats

Cochran

Coons

Corker

Cornyn

Cotton

Crapo

Donnelly

Durbin

Enzi

Ernst

Feinstein

Fischer

Flake

Franken

Gardner

Graham

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Hatch

Heitkamp

Hirono

Inhofe

Isakson

Johnson

Kaine

King

Klobuchar

Lankford

Leahy

Markey

McCain

McConnell

Menendez

Merkley

Mikulski

Murkowski

Murray

Nelson

Perdue

Peters

Portman

Reed

Reid

Risch

Roberts

Rounds

Sasse

Schumer

Sessions

Shaheen

Shelby

Stabenow

Sullivan

Thune

Tillis

Toomey

Whitehouse

Wicker

Wyden

NAYS--24
Ayotte

Booker

Boxer

Brown

Capito

Collins

Daines

Gillibrand

Grassley

Heinrich

Heller

Hoeven

Kirk

Manchin

Moran

Murphy

Paul

Schatz

Scott

Tester

Udall

Vitter

Warner

Warren

NOT VOTING--5
Cruz

Lee

McCaskill

Rubio

Sanders

The motion was agreed to.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oregon.

Congressional Record - 114th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 
Without giving any F to these 8 f-sola, What happened to that famous Indian lobby? Bill was rejected/passed with two third majority!

On a serious issue. For those silly buggers who in their over excitement thinking this deal as free lunch, American government only paying 46% of the bill, so at 700 million $ for whole package, that will still cost nearly 38 million a pop to Pakistan tax payer's money. Shouldnt a fourth generation jet cost less then 38 million anyway with full package, for this amount for a fourth generation jet, where we could have negotiated with Russians for their 4.5 generation SU35 is not really making good sense. The figures coming up are balloned for sure to make it look like America is doing a favour to Pakistan, but for all the money, we are paying through our nose for a fourth generation jet.

something is very fishy about this deal. NAB needs to investigate this , and keep a very watchful eye on PAF high ups and their bank accounts.

Nothing is bigger then Pakistan and under current geopolitical scenario this deal doesn't make any sense except some corruption at very high level.
I dont think you will get russian planes,and that too for 38 million....you where to get the 8 F-16 $700 million funded by the US ,now Pakistan will pay the total $700 for the 8 F 16s
 
I dont think you will get russian planes,and that too for 38 million....you where to get the 8 F-16 $700 million funded by the US ,now Pakistan will pay the total $700 for the 8 F 16s

Pakistan is paying 54% while the 46% is funded by American government. 38 million spend on a fourth generation fighter is waste, they should have spend that amount preferably on Jf-17 block 3. We are playing wrong geopolitics again, should have engaged Russians. It is not about some jets, we should engage all powers to be and get the maximum out of it. pit them against each other for influence. Its the art which our strategic planners lack.
 
@ito @mkb95 Remember what I said... Bet you still ain't ashamed of posting nonsene time and again like a broken records.

Get the delivery before 2016, once Trump is in WH it will be hard to convince. .
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Historically his party wining elections has been good for Pak.. Doesn't matter if he wins (which he won't) or loses...
 
@ito @mkb95 Remember what I said... Bet you still ain't ashamed of posting nonsene time and again like a broken records.



Historically his party wining elections has been good for Pak.. Doesn't matter if he wins (which he won't) or loses...

You spend too much time of PDF, and hence are taking posts very seriously. This is a forum, where nationalism and jingoism rule the roost. 99% posts are nonsense. I don't remember which of my post was nonsense. Anyway, you should have looked into my past posts in this matter. I supported Pakistan to get those F16s.
 
People should remember that Block-52D are the most advanced aircraft in the sub-continent, hence PAF went for another six and just two single seater ''C'' models. There's a reason they are kept separate from all other systems....ask some one who flies one of these beauties and you may get an idea of the cutting edge technology and the awesome fire-power this sleek jet incorporates.

12801216_1726334167603933_2219268487610023930_n.jpg

Even if F-22 technology is incorporated into these F-16s (which is not) because of the fact that americans can block them at any time and are prone to sanctions is alone enough of a reason for Pakistan to look elsewhere but it seems we havent learnt from the past mistakes.
 

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