Nilgiri
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OK guys lets all take a step back and chill. We are all human beings first and foremost right? No need to disparage each other beyond reason.
Lets be rationale about everything. In my opinion we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants only. People that have crossed a border ILLEGALLY and are residing ILLEGALLY in another country.
I myself was about to retort earlier in the thread to some Pakistani members here, that isnt Pakistan supposed to be the land for the muslims of south asia when I got some emotions boiling in me.....but then some arrogant Bangladeshis stepped in as well ......so now it seems like a back and forth poop flinging to me....so now I don't feel like taking sides at all and hence my initial comment would be an immature one because I realise Pakistan can only take in such Muslims if they apply through the LEGAL process of emigration/immigration. Just like the Hindus from Pakistan/Bdesh that have settled in India recently (they got their visas extended repeatedly till their citizenship was given etc.)
So here is what I suggest.
1. All three countries, India Pakistan and Bangladesh sit down under SAARC framework (other members are welcome as well) with the intent of solving each country's illegals problem that they finger point at certain other countries.
2. A joint committee is established, the meat of this committee taking advisement from the officers who implemented the LBA between India and Bangladesh with respect to the population transferring especially and establish methodologies to exchange populations in this context (i.e scaling up since we are talking about many more people).
3. This committee also would be given a legal framework to do truth finding and verification....with polygraphs if necessary....since many illegals have acquired genuine and fake govt ID through various means. All countries would have to accept that polygraphs are not 100% accurate but close to it and will be legally acceptable for the intents of strictly this program (the questions can only be related to the suspect's immigration status once the base questions are answered). Dependents and children need not undergo such tests, but they will be subject to the results of the main household breadwinner(s).
4. SAARC committee can then organise a temporary deportation instrument/document that will deal with the remaining formalities and populations can be exchanged.
5. The costs will be settled by mutually agreed terms.
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Again this only seeks to target ILLEGAL immigrants. Bengalis that are genuinely part of Pakistan to begin with and are there LEGALLY (citizenship or otherwise) are welcome to stay. This goes for the Bengalis within India that are Indian Bengalis (whatever their religion may be and wherever they are located).
Through this method Bangladesh can also deport the Indian ILLEGAL immigrants that it says are found on its soil (in an attempt to do equal/equal with India's established claim).
Let us discuss this all rationally and without getting drawn up in emotions and crap flinging please.
The only problem may arise because Pakistan has jus soli citizenship right. Is there a framework where an exception to this can be made say for an illegal immigrant who has children born in Pakistan....in the welfare interests of the family staying together? (i.e you must be prepared to revoke the children citizenship OR revoke/deny such citizenship in the first place OR give amnesty for such a situation and give legal status to that family to stay on account of the citizenship of the children if they are given through automatic birth route).
Lets be rationale about everything. In my opinion we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants only. People that have crossed a border ILLEGALLY and are residing ILLEGALLY in another country.
I myself was about to retort earlier in the thread to some Pakistani members here, that isnt Pakistan supposed to be the land for the muslims of south asia when I got some emotions boiling in me.....but then some arrogant Bangladeshis stepped in as well ......so now it seems like a back and forth poop flinging to me....so now I don't feel like taking sides at all and hence my initial comment would be an immature one because I realise Pakistan can only take in such Muslims if they apply through the LEGAL process of emigration/immigration. Just like the Hindus from Pakistan/Bdesh that have settled in India recently (they got their visas extended repeatedly till their citizenship was given etc.)
So here is what I suggest.
1. All three countries, India Pakistan and Bangladesh sit down under SAARC framework (other members are welcome as well) with the intent of solving each country's illegals problem that they finger point at certain other countries.
2. A joint committee is established, the meat of this committee taking advisement from the officers who implemented the LBA between India and Bangladesh with respect to the population transferring especially and establish methodologies to exchange populations in this context (i.e scaling up since we are talking about many more people).
3. This committee also would be given a legal framework to do truth finding and verification....with polygraphs if necessary....since many illegals have acquired genuine and fake govt ID through various means. All countries would have to accept that polygraphs are not 100% accurate but close to it and will be legally acceptable for the intents of strictly this program (the questions can only be related to the suspect's immigration status once the base questions are answered). Dependents and children need not undergo such tests, but they will be subject to the results of the main household breadwinner(s).
4. SAARC committee can then organise a temporary deportation instrument/document that will deal with the remaining formalities and populations can be exchanged.
5. The costs will be settled by mutually agreed terms.
==========
Again this only seeks to target ILLEGAL immigrants. Bengalis that are genuinely part of Pakistan to begin with and are there LEGALLY (citizenship or otherwise) are welcome to stay. This goes for the Bengalis within India that are Indian Bengalis (whatever their religion may be and wherever they are located).
Through this method Bangladesh can also deport the Indian ILLEGAL immigrants that it says are found on its soil (in an attempt to do equal/equal with India's established claim).
Let us discuss this all rationally and without getting drawn up in emotions and crap flinging please.
The only problem may arise because Pakistan has jus soli citizenship right. Is there a framework where an exception to this can be made say for an illegal immigrant who has children born in Pakistan....in the welfare interests of the family staying together? (i.e you must be prepared to revoke the children citizenship OR revoke/deny such citizenship in the first place OR give amnesty for such a situation and give legal status to that family to stay on account of the citizenship of the children if they are given through automatic birth route).
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