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Pakistan MPI for 2014-15 is 0.19. India's for 2016 is 0.282. Survey maybe old for India but UN is taking in to account new developments. And in fact UN said things could be worse in India since survey is 10 years old. For Indians eating roti a day is considered being above poverty line outside east punjab which is bread basket of India.
I know. I looked at this subject few months ago. Indian's have made a huge effort to mask their poverty by 'sexing up' their reports and on the other hand by spreading false reports about Pakistan. The latter has been done by using dubious private pressure groups many of which are just fronts for spreading propaganda and have Indian's on their payroll.

However despite this one thing is clear. India has more poor, I mean disgustingly poor then any other country on earth. When I was growing up any report I saw of India showed the filth and half naked, wretched humans living in the open or in slums that animals could not be expected live in. I actually was worried my country of orgin would also be like that and in my mind wanted Pakstan to be nothing like India.

When I made my first visit to Pakistan when I was about 12, I was surprised in a positive way - while people were poor in Pakistan but it was nothing like the horror I had imagined. One thing I noticed in 1980s. The Pakistan poor all wore Shalwar Kameez and the wretched poor in India wore Saree. There was clear differance and I used to tell my friends 'we are not like them' meaning the starved sticks we used to see on BBC Tv.

Nothing substantive has changed. Yes of course the depth and scale of poverty has reduced but the poverty swamp in Ganga India is larger then the entire poverty of all of Africa combined so it's not liike it's going to change anytime soon.

The reason nothing is going to change soon is there are social traits within Hindoo Indian society and as long as they exist poverty is going to be difficult to eradicate. Foremost is the Untouchables whose position is formally instituted by Hinduism. The position of Untouchables, Dalts, Adivasi's etc is result of thousand years of societal prejudice and this is not going to change within our life spans. Indeed trying to do so is like making Pakistani's accept Ahmadi's as Muslims. It's not going to happen anytime soon.

Also while the groups in Pakistan that are discriminated are small and make tiny percentage of society (below 3%) thus a fringe in India the Untouchables/Shudras/Adivasi and other unfortunates make at least 24% of society. That is huge number - maybe over 300 million. When you have that number of people locked in institutional poverty it is going to take generations to make a real differance. In the meantime the Indian's are going to use one art they are good at - the art of deception in trying to mask the true scale of poverty and ugliness in India.

However despite their attempts the scale of poverty is so bad it still comes through and independant obsevers and can still detect it by using some 'tools'. Okay ask yourself this question. If you have the income are you by choice going to make your daughters or wife go outside in the open to defecate? Are you? Even a fallen man would not want that to happen? Therefore it is safe to assume that this only happens becuase of extreme poverty. Well look at the figures for India (below) -

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/monitoring/jmp2012/fast_facts/en/

50% of Indian's openly defecate as opposed to only 20% in Pakistan. Does this show us anything? Please don't tell me Indian men enjoy their women exposing their backsides to the world? Could this be indirect measure of poverty? Which of you guy's would let your females go expose to the world and then have the fvckin galls of bragging how prosperous and big you are? Tell me?

Then we have the figures for number of people living on the absolute low of $1.90 a

Asia

Bangladesh 43%
India 21%
Indonesia 15.9%
Pakistan 8%

Link > https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/

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link > http://www.economist.com/news/economic-and-financial-indicators/21614146-poverty-asia


There is another interesting angle to this. The general perception in the Western world is very positive of India. Just as I am sure India is poverty/ugly centre of the world I would be first to admit that India has far better peception in the West then Pakistan has. No doubt about that. The reasons are manifold. In the colonial era India was regarded as the crown jewel of the empire. The mystique and magic of India was built up by English writers during that period. Young ambitious men went to India to make their name (although that mostly was in NWFP in what is now Pakistan but that is besides the point) and in 1947 Indian Republic by copywriting the name 'India' ended up owning that mystique built up by generation of English writers. As English was and became even more a world language that sense of India became diffused into other Western languages.

To this day the British also carry a guilt complex of the empire and this mostly applies to Blacks and also to Indians. The result is they are almost politically correct about talking negative about both peoples ( in private is altogether another matter) and this sort of helps Indian's mask their ugliness. On the contrary Pakistani's do everything they can to irritate and get backlash from the West. With things as they stand - rise of Islamaphobia it is has become sport to bash Muslim countries in particular Pakistan with Indian's within Western media dong everything to fan the fire even more. We have great examples like Farooq Zakaria in USA of this.

However the reality is differant and is even worse than what you hear. Most of the real Ganga swamp poverty is hidden away from Pakistan and the world. It is not found near the states adjacent to Pakistan border but further in deeper India. But Indian's know this. That is why they come up with such phrases as "India developing but long way to go" because beyond the big talk of number of billionaires they have and the great GDP figures the fact is is the biggest sea of humanity living in abject, gut wrenching filth and poverty is found in Ganga India.

Thank god for Jinnah and 1947 !
 
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I know. I looked at this subject few months ago. Indian's have made a huge effort to mask their poverty by 'sexing up' their reports and on the other hand by spreading false reports about Pakistan. The latter has been done by using dubious private pressure groups many of which are just fronts for spreading propaganda and have Indian's on their payroll.

However despite this one thing is clear. India has more poor, I mean disgustingly poor then any other country on earth. When I was growing up any report I saw of India showed the filth and half naked, wretched humans living in the open our in slums that animals could not live. I actually was worried my country of orgin would also be like that and in my mind wanted Pakstan to be nothing like India.

When I made my first visit to Pakistan when I was about 12 I was surprised in positive way - while people were poor in Pakistan but it was nothing like the horror I had imagined. One thing I noticed in 1980s. The Pakistan poor all wore Shalwar Kameez and the wretched poor in India wore Saree. There was clear differance and I used to tell my friends 'we are not like them' meaning the starved sticks we used to see on BBC Tv.

Nothing substantive has changed. Yes of course the depth and scale of poverty has reduced but the poverty swamp in India is larger then the entire poverty of all of Africa combined so it's not l;ike it's going to change anytime soon.

The reason was nothing is going to change soon is their are traits within Indian society and as long as they exist poverty is going to be difficult to eradicate. Foremost is the Untouchables whose position is formally instituted by Hinduism. The position of Untouchables, Dalts, Adivasi's etc is rsult of thousand years of societal prejudice and this is not going to change within our life spans. Indeed India is trying but it's like making Pakistan's accept Ahmadi's as equal. It's not going to happen anytime soon.

Then while the groups in Pakistan that are discriminated are small and make tiny percentage of society (below 3%) in India the Untouchables/Shudras/Adivasi and other unfortunates make at least 24% of society. That is huge number - maybe over 300 million. When you have that number of people locked in institutional poverty it is going to take generations to make a real differance. In the meantime the Indian's are going to use one art they are good at - the art of deception in trying to mask the true scale of poverty and ugliness in India.

However despite their attempts the scale of poverty is so bad it still comes through and independant obsevers and can still detect it by using some 'tools'. Okay ask yourself this question. If you have the income are you by choice going to make your daughters or wife going outside in the open to defecate? Are you? Even a fallen man would not want that to happen? Therefore it is safe to assume that this only happens becuse of poverty. Well look at the figures for India (below) -

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/monitoring/jmp2012/fast_facts/en/

50% of Indian's openly defecate as opposed to only 20% in Pakistan. Does this show us anything? Please don't tell me Indian men like their women exposing their backsides to the world? Could this be indirect measure of poverty? Which of you guy's would let your females go expose to the world and then have the fvckin galls of bragging big here? Tell me?

Then we have the figures for number of people living on the absolute low of $1.90 a

Asia

Bangladesh 43%
India 21%
Indonesia 15.9%
Pakistan 8%

Link > https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/

20140830_INC600.png



link > http://www.economist.com/news/economic-and-financial-indicators/21614146-poverty-asia


There is another interesting angle to this. The general perception in the Western world is very positive of India. Just I like am sure India is pverty/ugly centre of the world I would be first to admit that India has far better peception in the West then Pakistan has. No doubt about that. The reasons are manifold. In the colonial era India was regarded as the crown jewel of the empire. The mstique and magic of India was built up by English writers diring that period. Young ambitious men went to India to make their name (although that mostly was in NWFP in what is now Pakistan but that is besides the point) and in 1947 India Republic by copywriting the naame 'India' ended up owning that mystique built up by generation of English writers. As English was and became even more world language that sense of India became diffused into other Western languages.

To this day the British also carry a guilt complex of the empire and this mostly applies to Blacks and also to Indians. The result is they are almost politically correct about talking negative about both peoples (in public - in private is altogether another matter) and this sort of helps Indian's mask their ugliness. On the contrary Pakistani's do everything you can to irritate and get backlash from the West. With things as they stand with rise of Islamaphobia it is has become sport to bash Muslim countries in particular Pakistan with Indian's within Western media dong everything to fan the fire eve mnore. We have great examples like Farooq Zakaria in USA of this.

However the reality is differant and is even worse than what you hear. Most of the real swamp poverty is hidden away from Pakistan and the world. It is not found near the states adjacent to Pakistan border but further in deeper India. But Indian's know this. That is why tey come up with such phrses as "India developing but long way to go" because beyond the big talk of number of billionaires they have and te great GDP figures is the biggest sea of humanity living in abject, gut wrenching filth and poverty.

Thank god for Jinnah and 1947 !
Indians create threads about topics like India developing...whereas you guys create anti India threads. There are n parameters where India is better than Pakistan except 2-3, still we do not claim as some heavenly country. We know our problems and working towards resolution. Castes system or poverty, both are being addressed. We think, speak and act judiciously.
On the other hand, you hate is evident when you talk about half dried breasts and what not. You would rather try to liberate Pakistani women if you are really so concerned about your nation or any one.
 
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Soon beautiful Pakistan thread will be made.If you have courage don't ban me.
 
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- the art of deception in trying to mask the true scale of poverty and ugliness in India.
And you are doing what you are good at: Conveniently overlooking/ignoring some uncomfortable facts and then believing that the analysis is unquestionably correct... and then not addressing the mistake even if it is pointed out.

In the meantime the Indian's are going to use one art they are good at - the art of deception in trying to mask the true scale of poverty and ugliness in India.

Who were the actors in the comedy movie Slumdog Millionaire? They were Bhartis.

The general perception in the Western world is very positive of India. Just I like am sure India is pverty/ugly centre of the world I would be first to admit that India has far better peception in the West then Pakistan has.
Who were the makers of that movie? They were Westerners. There were many of them and they were deeply and actively involved.
 
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Ignore OP's rants he just can't tolerate anything good for Indians. We should avoid comparisons with Pakistan and move on to a much better country to look upto that is USA/China. No need to give any explanations let them believe whatever they like whether its a fact or fiction.
 
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Ignore OP's rants he just can't tolerate anything good for Indians. We should avoid comparisons with Pakistan and move on to a much better country to look upto that is USA/China. No need to give any explanations let them believe whatever they like whether its a fact or fiction.
No yaar! I love it when he ignores his flaws even after it is pointed out to him.
 
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Ignore OP's rants
Do you know what ignore means? Let me educate you.

ignore
ɪɡˈnɔː/


verb: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.

By you posting here is confirmation of the opposite of what your asking. You remind me of those biatchez that say "No" when they mean "Yes".
 
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Most of the real Ganga swamp poverty is hidden away from Pakistan and the world. It is not found near the states adjacent to Pakistan border but further in deeper India. But Indian's know this. That is why they come up with such phrases as "India developing but long way to go" because beyond the big talk of number of billionaires they have and the great GDP figures the fact is is the biggest sea of humanity living in abject, gut wrenching filth and poverty is found in Ganga India.
I can give you apt reply but I don't want to bother moderators with India-centric topics. That's why, I ask you to open your profile to me and my friend (Bharat Muslim), where we can write reply-messages.
 
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First you said they didn't take in to account last 10 years, now is about Pakistan population. Well Pakistan census will be held next month. Question should be why Indian survey is 10 years old? They can't hide behind fake GDP numbers when ground reality is different.

Latest survey has been done, and the results were published in 2016. Its upto OPHI and UNDP to update their data and calculate the new MPI.

Anyways here are the ten indicators used to calculate MPI, lets have a look at individual data.

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In health (India-2, Pakistan- 0), India is better off than Pakistan in both the Indicators

Child Mortality(1/6)- India (41), Pakistan (82)
Global Hunger Index(1/6)- India (28.5), Pakistan (33.4)


In education (India-1, Pakistan-1), Pakistan has higher year of schooling, but has more children out of school as a percentage

Years of Schooling(1/6) - India (5.1), Pakistan (5.6)
School Attendance(1/6) - India (84 Million kids out of school), Pakistan (25 Million Kids out of school
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Living Standards (India-2, Pakistan-4),

Cooking Fuel(1/18) - India (73% households use modern cooking fuel),
Pakistan (69% households)

Toilet(1/18)- India (54.6%), Pakistan (64%)
Water(1/18) - India (94%), Pakistan ( 91%)
Electricity(1/18)- India (81%), Pakistan (91%)
Floor (1/18)- Lets just keep the old figures for India and say Pakistan is ahead of India
Assets (1/18)- Lets just keep the old figures India and say Pakistan is ahead of India


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Look at the weightage above, and the data I have quoted, now tell me do you still think India has higher MPI than Pakistan :omghaha:
 
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Never once have I seen @Kaptaan respond to my or Bharat Muslim's posts when we opposed him because we find holes in his allegations.
 
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India's poverty, India's social inequality, India's divide is all well known. I don't know anybody that thinks India is a rich or a first world country. How hard is it to make a thread on Pakistan's inequality, it's tolerance, the way sects are treated, way women are treated or the rising rape of young boys?

The only reason India gets all the attention is the strides it's people make (read again, said people not government). We may be poor, we may be discriminated/discriminate but in India people rise, relative to our own problems, but it's stellar because it's only hard work, determination to excel. Our rise means even enemy nations find our doctors to be brilliant so have to come here for treatment that they wouldn't get there. The world needs our CEO's, our brains which enemy nations although claiming to be better than our country cannot emulate, same for outsourcing or any other industries.

After setting that straight for large populations like India just money will not solve our problems. We unfortunately are not educated enough, we are currently caught in the dal-roti-makan routine but yet some of us breakthrough the shackles. Does it make a difference to the statistics? very little maybe but stories like this provide inspiration to many.

Lastly, talking of stats, it's somehow assumed that India is very poor since its started making news positively much to dismay of many of our neighbors. If someone here can prove that India has not made any strides in any of the indicators discussed here, relative to population rise and since Independence, let's talk. The rate of change may be low but it's happening.

To end it all, after spending enough time here, I know for a fact that certain people are given privileges to troll particularly when foot falls from Indians begins to decline hoping it gets furious response from people to increase revenue. This is a Pakistani forum we all get that, but it's not fair like it used to be (which was the real intention anyway and I appreciate the new face). If BR has an agenda towards Islam so does this forum on Hindus and Hinduism. They are both similar in intentions may be not so in execution.
 
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Latest survey has been done, and the results were published in 2016. Its upto OPHI and UNDP to update their data and calculate the new MPI.

Anyways here are the ten indicators used to calculate MPI, lets have a look at individual data.

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In health (India-2, Pakistan- 0), India is better off than Pakistan in both the Indicators

Child Mortality(1/6)- India (41), Pakistan (82)
Global Hunger Index(1/6)- India (28.5), Pakistan (33.4)


In education (India-1, Pakistan-1), Pakistan has higher year of schooling, but has more children out of school as a percentage

Years of Schooling(1/6) - India (5.1), Pakistan (5.6)
School Attendance(1/6) - India (84 Million kids out of school), Pakistan (25 Million Kids out of school
)

Living Standards (India-2, Pakistan-4),

Cooking Fuel(1/18) - India (73% households use modern cooking fuel),
Pakistan (69% households)

Toilet(1/18)- India (54.6%), Pakistan (64%)
Water(1/18) - India (94%), Pakistan ( 91%)
Electricity(1/18)- India (81%), Pakistan (91%)
Floor (1/18)- Lets just keep the old figures for India and say Pakistan is ahead of India
Assets (1/18)- Lets just keep the old figures India and say Pakistan is ahead of India


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Look at the weightage above, and the data I have quoted, now tell me do you still think India has higher MPI than Pakistan :omghaha:

Child mortality? I mean come on, that's beyond our control.... You can't play god but surely you can build toilet at home. 59% of Indians without toilets compared to 12.5% Pakistanis as of 2015. And you know what? 99.4% Pakistanis without toilet live in far flung villages and even there things are improving. Soon it will near 0%. While Indian capital Delhi have 2 million people defecating openly. Are you telling all these richer Indians can't afford to build simple toilet at home? :lol:
 
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India's poverty, India's social inequality, India's divide is all well known. I don't know anybody that thinks India is a rich or a first world country. How hard is it to make a thread on Pakistan's inequality, it's tolerance, the way sects are treated, way women are treated or the rising rape of young boys?

The only reason India gets all the attention is the strides it's people make (read again, said people not government). We may be poor, we may be discriminated/discriminate but in India people rise, relative to our own problems, but it's stellar because it's only hard work, determination to excel. Our rise means even enemy nations find our doctors to be brilliant so have to come here for treatment that they wouldn't get there. The world needs our CEO's, our brains which enemy nations although claiming to be better than our country cannot emulate, same for outsourcing or any other industries.

After setting that straight for large populations like India just money will not solve our problems. We unfortunately are not educated enough, we are currently caught in the dal-roti-makan routine but yet some of us breakthrough the shackles. Does it make a difference to the statistics? very little maybe but stories like this provide inspiration to many.

Lastly, talking of stats, it's somehow assumed that India is very poor since its started making news positively much to dismay of many of our neighbors. If someone here can prove that India has not made any strides in any of the indicators discussed here, relative to population rise and since Independence, let's talk. The rate of change may be low but it's happening.

To end it all, after spending enough time here, I know for a fact that certain people are given privileges to troll particularly when foot falls from Indians begins to decline hoping it gets furious response from people to increase revenue. This is a Pakistani forum we all get that, but it's not fair like it used to be (which was the real intention anyway and I appreciate the new face). If BR has an agenda towards Islam so does this forum on Hindus and Hinduism. They are both similar in intentions may be not so in execution.


Spot on....We know very well that what is our strengths and our weakness too...We are not heavenly country nor we are downtrodden nation too. We are a proud nation where we have hard working and aspirational people are making news for their effort through out the world..
 
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otherwise MPI of India will not change from 2014 to 2016

Have a read of their own overview from 2014:

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http://www.ophi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Global-MPI-2014-an-overview.pdf

The scores you are claiming for MPI in India are exactly the same:

2014 India score: 0.283

2016 India score: 0.283

Anyone can check from the excel datasheets found here for each year since it started in 2010:

http://www.ophi.org.uk/multidimensional-poverty-index/mpi-resources/

2014 spreadsheet:

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2016 spreadsheet:

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0.283 in both instances for India. No change anywhere....all the source data is from the 05/06 survey.

So I really have no idea what you are on about.

Child mortality? I mean come on, that's beyond our control.... You can't play god but surely you can build toilet at home.

And here's when it becomes obvious you have no idea about socioeconomics. Explain to me how child mortality is completely beyond the control of a society building its healthcare apparatus?

You telling me developing countries should put their hands up and say let the children die...its out of our hands?...rather than build more hospitals, train more doctors and educate enough mothers?

India is making strides now with Swacch bharat program in increasing sanitation coverage of especially its rural areas.

Now tell me what is the major program of Pakistan in reducing its infant and child mortality from its terribly high levels? You do know that even Afghanistan now has a better neo-natal mortality rate than Pakistan?
 
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Child mortality? I mean come on, that's beyond our control.... You can't play god but surely you can build toilet at home. 59% of Indians without toilets compared to 12.5% Pakistanis as of 2015. And you know what? 99.4% Pakistanis without toilet live in far flung villages and even there things are improving. Soon it will near 0%. While Indian capital Delhi have 2 million people defecating openly. Are you telling all these richer Indians can't afford to build simple toilet at home? :lol:

Uh what? Child mortality rate is one of the major indicators of MPI, infact it has three times more weightage than access to sanitation when it comes to calculating MPI.

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And no, believe it or not, Child mortality rate can be controlled by us mere mortals, and doesn't need the intervention of God.

So you are telling me these richer Pakistanis are suffering from malnutrition by choice and letting their children die by choice?
 
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