BDR renegades running Bangla ULFA camps?

[Ammyy]

To tell you the truth, west Bengal has become a hinterland in front of a well-developed Bangladesh. It was opposite during the 190 years of British-Hindu joint rule. Better you visit Bangladesh to see the difference.

But figure shows other part of story

GDP of BD is 105,402 million Dollars in 2010 with 164.4 million population with almost 5% growth

And GDP of WB in 2006 52,060 million dollars ( We dnt have current figure) with 90,310,785 people and with almost 13% growth rate in 2006

http://mospi.nic.in/6_gsdp_cur_9394ser.htm

 

[eastwatch]

A Horrendous Discovery About the massacre of BDR


There are some dangerous clues about recent BDR horror killing.All that being part of history now, one wonders how it all happened, who did it, and why? While that is precisely the undertaking of the investigators who will unearth the real intent of the carnage and identify the culprits, the incident demonstrates a serious lapse in military intelligence. The following facts, gathered from over a dozen of reliable sources, further corroborate that fact.

One: Investigators have learnt that a team of 25 trained foreign commandos entered Bangladesh illegally from India through various bordering areas on or within January 11, 2009. They were received and sheltered in Dhaka by individuals working under cover as diplomats.

Two: At the same time, a small group of 10-12 BDR members, including two Deputy Assistant Directors (DADs), were recruited as the internal moles and coordinators to provide precise information to the foreign team via three senior political leaders of the country until the hours of the carnage.

Three: The occasion for the operation was chosen carefully to ensure availability of all senior BDR officers who had gathered in Pilkhana for the annual BDR day celebration. Over 3,000 extra troops also came to Pilkhana for various administrative duties as well as to launch a tattoo show for which the BDR has been historically famous.

Four: The mutiny was slated for February 24, while the PM was in Pilkhana to take salute in the BDR day parade. In consideration of likely collateral harm to the political personalities and other dignitaries who accompanied the PM, the date was changed. However, final coordination and reconnaissance were done that day by some guests who attended the parade, masquerading as VIPs.

Five: Upon conclusion of final reconnaissance, at about 10.30 PM, on February 24, a segment of the foreign killing squad and over 25 BDR soldiers - plus three young - leading politicians of the country - met in a briefing in one of suburban Dhaka residences. The precise timing of the operation and the responsibilities of each small group were decided in that meeting.

Six: As per plan, one of the DADs ensured that members of the BDR cell would be posted on duty on gate number 4 that morning when the DG would sit for the slated Darbar in the Darbar hall.

Seven: On February 25, the D-day, the foreign commando team entered the Pilkhana compound through gate number 4, at 8.10 AM, using a BDR vehicle (Bedford) which the designated DAD had arranged to send for them about an hour ago. Dressed in sports gear (long camouflage trouser, vest, and PT shoe) - in order to be able to quickly change into civil clothes while fleeing after the massacre - the killers entered the Pilkhana compound undetected.

Eight: The BDR vehicle that carried the killers was followed by an ash-colour pick up van which carried initially used arms and ammunition from outside. In order to begin the massacre, one of the Bengali speaking commandos, armed, was ordered to enter the Darbar hall without permission to engage the DG into a provoking altercation.

Nine: Once the DG was shot, other officers, all unarmed, tried to obstruct the lone killer. Within seconds, the action group of the killer team entered the Darbar hall and started killing other officers while the cover up group cordoned the area.

Ten: In the following hours, part B of the mission began by inducting other troops into the team under gun point and the armoury - as well as the intelligence equipments - was looted. The foreign killers and their local henchmen used BDR soldiers on gunpoint to show the locations of other officers, their families, and the offices where vital national security do**ents remained preserved. Highly classified border security maps, troop deployment plan and initial action plan, etc. were taken away by the foreign commandos.

Eleven: Eyewitnesses say, two of the last foreign commandos - one male and one female - left the BDR compound in the afternoon on February 26, following the surrendering of arms by BDR members who knew nothing about the mutiny even a minute before. These two are presumed to be the leaders of the foreign commando team.

@ None of the above could have been materialized if the two main national intelligence outfits of the country (DGFI and NSI) have had prior clues about what was being conspired to destroy the armed forces of the country. The foreign commandos took control of BDR's own intelligence outfit, RSU, at the initial stage and used RSU equipments to communicate among themselves during the mutiny.

@ The commanding officer of RSU too was assassinated during the carnage. That aside, there were other intelligence lapses during the mutiny. In the more than 30 hours while the mutiny prolonged, neither the NSI, nor the DGFI, had any clue about who were being shot at and what exactly went on inside. They also ignored SMS messages from fellow officers, on ground that there was no order from the government to do anything. In reality, these two agencies were too busy, as they often are, in ensuring security to the VVIPs and VIPs; not the country and its vital institutions that they are oath-bound and mandated to serve and protect.
Delwar Mazumder
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I have followed the events of Pilkhan BDR revolt in the newspapers, in the photoes and have tried to analyze what really happened at that time. My assumptions are almost similar to the points of view of the article above.

Most important point is the common BDR troops were not ordered beforehand that there would be a killing. They followed the orders from the DADs as the officers were eliminated one by one.

DG General Shakil was not killed inside the Darbar hall. He was killed when the rebels forced them out of the main entrance. Here a group of troops (BDR or Indian agents) were waiting behind a vehicle. They opened fire on DG. This was the starting point of all the killings.

Common troops are not supposed to know the route cause of revolt, whether it was a conspiracy by India or not. They had followed the orders blindly. Now, we find so many of these troops are being punished. I think, AL govt will also punish the DADs, because its target to weaken the military has been fulfilled. AL will always deny any link with the conspiracy.

So many things happen in politics! Kennedy was killed, no one knows really who killed him. Sk. Mujib was killed. We now say a helicopter came to BD to pick him up for a ride to Delhi. Someone should note if Delhi is not too far for a heli ride. President Zia of BD was killed, but who was behind the killer Ershad, we do not know for real. President Zia of Pakistan was killed, but no one knows for sure who was behind it.

Many things happen in any country's politics. We have to wait for the day when one of the DADs come forward and write a book about the Pilkhana. Then of course, he may not find a publisher to print his book. RAW's hand may be a little long.

20 of these BDR troops are now probably training the ULFA underground troops.

 

[Stumper]

...Here a group of troops (BDR or Indian agents) were waiting behind a vehicle


...Common troops are not supposed to know the route cause of revolt, whether it was a conspiracy by India or not.

... Someone should note if Delhi is not too far for a heli ride.

Then of course, he may not find a publisher to print his book. RAW's hand may be a little long.

Callousness of some of the BD members here is no more surprising to us -- and you pal, keep up the tradition. Things are pretty much hideous to you and your kin's, does not matter that the same things are usually pretty clear—even to those as severely myopic as myself.

So, keep the conspiracy dice rolling, don’t have to think as long as others. Which is convenient, as we can only do so much thinking with limited brain cells that we human's posses.

 

[eastwatch]

Callousness of some of the BD members here is no more surprising to us -- and you pal, keep up the tradition. Things are pretty much hideous to you and your kin's, does not matter that the same things are usually pretty clear—even to those as severely myopic as myself.

So, keep the conspiracy dice rolling, don’t have to think as long as others. Which is convenient, as we can only do so much thinking with limited brain cells that we human's posses.

No, my dear stumper I am not a fanatic and I do not always believe in conspiracy theory. However, Pilkhana could not have unravelled without foreign money and instigation. India has more interest in BD than any other country.

A puppet, and if not, then at least a friendly govt is what India needs in BD. And to get what India is after, India seems to be willing to go to any length. AL formed the govt this time without the known beneficiaries of India (you can call them RAW agents, if you like) in that Party. Pilkhana was a warning to AL top echelon that this internal force can destabilize BD with the help from their friends in India.

A dirty conspirating Indian image was very profoundly unfurled to the PM. She is now treading very carefully in order to avoid another such a mishap. An occurrence like Pilkhana, whereby about 70 army officers were killed, cannot happen without a covert support from India.

 

[LaBong]

But figure shows other part of story

GDP of BD is 105,402 million Dollars in 2010 with 164.4 million population with almost 5% growth

And GDP of WB in 2006 52,060 million dollars ( We dnt have current figure) with 90,310,785 people and with almost 13% growth rate in 2006

http://mospi.nic.in/6_gsdp_cur_9394ser.htm

Dude you got some facts wrong.

WB's GDP as of 2009 was $76.72 billion with a population of 80 million. It has forth largest share in India's GDP after Maharashtra, UP, Andhra. It;s growing at rate of 16.78% YoY.

State Domestic Product of India | State-Wise GDP 2010 | District GDP of India | VMW Analytic Services

Bangladesh's GDP in 2009 was $89.36 billion with a population 162 million. It's growing probably at 6% rate.



World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data

Lol, so much for hinterland!

 

[TopCat]

Dude you got some facts wrong.

WB's GDP as of 2009 was $76.72 billion with a population of 80 million. It has forth largest share in India's GDP after Maharashtra, UP, Andhra. It;s growing at rate of 16.78% YoY.

State Domestic Product of India | State-Wise GDP 2010 | District GDP of India | VMW Analytic Services

Bangladesh's GDP in 2009 was $89.36 billion with a population 162 million. It's growing probably at 6% rate.



World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data

Lol, so much for hinterland!

well .. BDs actual GDP would be more than 130/140 billion in nominal term as 10 more sectors will come into calculation next year with existing 15 sectors. The base was 15 years old so that figures look small. Also you are comparing 2008/09 figure with 2010 figure. With 2010 figure it will be more than 100 billion.

Also when you devide your rupee/45 it looks really big, dont they?? when we have to devide that with artificially lowered value taka with 72.

 

[LaBong]

To tell you the truth, west Bengal has become a hinterland in front of a well-developed Bangladesh. It was opposite during the 190 years of British-Hindu joint rule. Better you visit Bangladesh to see the difference.

Economically West Bengal was at it's peak in 1960s, at a time when Bidhan Roy was chief minister.

 

[LaBong]

well .. BDs actual GDP would be more than 130/140 billion in nominal term as 10 more sectors will come into calculation next year with existing 15 sectors. The base was 15 years old so that figures look small. Also you are comparing 2008/09 figure with 2010 figure. With 2010 figure it will be more than 100 billion.

Both the figure were from 2009 data and calculated using exact same method. Please check India's gross GDP in the state wise break up.

 

[LaBong]

Also when you devide your rupee/45 it looks really big, dont they?? when we have to devide that with artificially lowered value taka with 72.

But the artificially lowered value also helps you to increase your export thus more GDP.

Why do you think rest of the world keep pestering China for revalue it's currency?

 

[TopCat]

But the artificially lowered value also helps you to increase your export thus more GDP.

Why do you think rest of the world keep pestering China for revalue it's currency?

yes.. we are export driven economy thats for sure.

 

[LaBong]

yes.. we are export driven economy thats for sure.

What's the break up of GDP in various sectors in BD?

For WB :

We need woo back the industry to get our lost position back.

 

[TopCat]

Agri - 18
industry - 29
seevice- 53

How can you get industry when you dont even want to sell land.. LOL

 

[Stumper]

However, Pilkhana could not have unravelled without foreign money and instigation. India has more interest in BD than any other country.

Well, you are implying a big "IF". Instigation maybe. Foreign money --- not too sure.

A puppet, and if not, then at least a friendly govt is what India needs in BD.

We always will need A friendly government which will not tolerate its land to be used for Terror operations against India. And at that point in time, we had that, in form of AL.

And to get what India is after, India seems to be willing to go to any length. AL formed the govt this time without the known beneficiaries of India (you can call them RAW agents, if you like) in that Party.

India or BD, will always strive to protects its state and people from external threats. You maybe in a better position to know how many of your citizens were on RAW payroll...lets move.

Pilkhana was a warning to AL top echelon that this internal force can destabilized BD with the help from their friends in India.

Oh is it so?. We needed to warn our ally? .. To do that we needed to stage this Bollywood drama?

Would you also say, We single handedly spread the mutiny to your other area's :
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Bangladesh guard mutiny 'spreads'

We would spread the mutiny to other areas and jeopardize a pro indian BD government? .. Just to give him a so called warning (as per your imagination) ....Is that your calculation?

Your two hundred border guards who surrendered, mentioned who instigated them? or who dictated those 22 point demands to them?


Did the Khatun committee say so ? Did your armed forces committee say so? Did the 800 being prosecuted in your Dhaka court say so? ... Let me guess. They didnt.

An occurrence like Pilkhana, whereby about 70 army officers were killed, cannot happen without a covert support from India.

Oh comm'on ..... Dont get me started on the mutinies that have happened in your country since 71. Dont tell me it "Cannot" happen. Your countrymen have done it before too (at least 7 coup's that i can count at finger tip). The mutineers in this case have spoken to your media and highlighted what led to revolt (resentment against Army officers , Irregularities, etc).

So laying your finger on imaginary foe wont help your cause. We are yet to see any single committee pointing its blame on India .

 

[LaBong]

How can you get industry when you dont even want to sell land.. LOL

They want to sell land a'right, but they want price like 1 crore per acre!

And our beloved didi investing on the same anarchist politics that brought communist to power.

 

[eastwatch]

Well, you are implying a big "IF". Instigation maybe. Foreign money --- not too sure.

We always will need A friendly government which will not tolerate its land to be used for Terror operations against India. And at that point in time, we had that, in form of AL.

India or BD, will always strive to protects its state and people from external threats. You maybe in a better position to know how many of your citizens were on RAW payroll...lets move.

Oh is it so?. We needed to warn our ally? .. To do that we needed to stage this Bollywood drama?

Would you also say, We single handedly spread the mutiny to your other area's :
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Bangladesh guard mutiny 'spreads'

We would spread the mutiny to other areas and jeopardize a pro indian BD government? .. Just to give her so called warning (as per your imagination) ....Is that your calculation?

Your two hundred border guards who surrendered, mentioned who instigated them? or who dictated those 22 point demands to them?

Did the Khatun committee say so ? Did your armed forces committee say so? Did the 800 being prosecuted in your Dhaka court say so? ... Let me guess. They didnt.

Oh comm'on ..... Dont get me started on the mutinies that have happened in your country since 71. Dont tell me it "Cannot" happen. Your countrymen have done it before too (at least 7 coup's that i can count at finger tip). The mutineers in this case have spoken to your media and highlighted what led to revolt (resentment against Army officers , Irregularities, etc).

So laying your finger on imaginary foe wont help your cause. We are yet to see any single committee pointing its blame on India .

On the surface it was the dissatisfaction of the common troops against their officers as well as lack of facilities and amenities. However, this dissatisfactions were used cunningly to organize a BDR revolt in Pilkhana. But how and by whom?

1) The spreading of revolt was not done by the sponsors or the DADs directly. Sponsors were the dissatisfied AL leaders who were not chosen for any govt positions. These traitors took advantage of the situation to discredit Begum Hasina, and had intended to force her to accept them in the Cabinet. The other option was a civil war.

2) The dissatisfied AL group had sought RAW assets in the form of assistance. This group is still working to destabilize Chatro League and other AL organs by encouraging infightings. Spreading to other BDR camps was done by the DADs and petty officers immediately below them. The purpose was to gear for an expected civil war.

3) Don't you see AL under Begum Hasina is an India-friendly govt, but it is not a puppet govt. So, it was not that RAW was conspiring to oust a puppet govt. Rather, it was conspiring to replace an India-friendly AL govt with a puppet AL govt formed with the participation of the AL Seniors.

4) Our 800 or so mutineers are common troops. They are not supposed to know about conspiracy. Their dissatisactions were were used by the conspirators.

5) Yes, there were other coups and mutinies in BD in the past. But, some of them were also conspirecies by the GoI. Think of 1) failed coup of General Khaled Musharraf, 2) Killing of President Ziaur Rahman, and 3) Taking power by Gen. Ershad. Don't you think these were also India sponsored?

I am laying blame on India and its RAW by only closely watching the events. It is very easy to find out Indian hand and foot prints in all these killings that have been going on for tens of years. Pilkhana will not be the last it seems, because the main Indian design did not materialize there.

India was expecting a civil war to start in Bangladesh, first between BDR & Military, and then between or among many groups of people. It was good that the army decided not to intervene even though they knew many of their comrade officers were being slained. Intervention by the military would have initiated a long civil war. So, essentially, India dream-project remained limited only within the walls of Pilkhana, at least this time.