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B'desh steps up troops deployment on Myanmar border amid row

in a real war, i do not see why india would support us...given that myanmar does not have any gas field conflict with india in the bay of bengal. if u see the map of conflict in the bay of bengal, it's like a bloody set theory where india and myanmar take our gas fields without interfering with each other's. this is shaping up badly. how's the war going to look like with bangladesh and myanmar fighting and india siding with myanmar?

In that case, if everybody supports Burma (china and india), Bangladesh should offer USA the base in Bay of Bengal. We have a 3 dimensional exercise with USA on 20th november in the Bay.
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I am sure he will be fine inshallah and do Bangladesh proud.

Was he with the three brigades that joined the Chittagong Div?

Thanks sir.He is in BAF.Posted at chittagong.

The last thing we need is a war,it will be a real blow to our economy.
 
400,000 troops of the Burmese central govt is not even enough to control the continuous rebellions by their Provinces. Why do you think they can mobilize all their troops in the BD border? Note that our militia (ANSAR) strength is more than 5,000,000. These militias, given order, can take over the Burmese State of Arakan. You are talking about Burmese 400,000 troops!

These ansars (number was about 30,000 in 1971) fought against Pakistan army in 1971, with .303 rifles. More than 650 of them were killed. So, better you do not have doubts about our bravery. Pakistan and India both know it. Now, it is time that Burma knows it.

What Burmese warships of 12 coasters and 2 jet planes in the nearby Sittwe can do to our 30 ship fleet? Moreover, our jets can fly low over the sea without being detected by the Burmese radars, go straight to the south, and then turn east, bomb the Rangoon garrison, and come back. The jets will still have fuel in their tanks.

In a war, Burmese Junta will suffer most. Burmese dislike them and will not support in times of war. By the way, BD needs this kind of foreign conflict. Anti-India jargons are not liked by many retarded Muslim Bangali Babus - the intellectuals. But in case of a conflict with Burma, these Babus cannot shout anti-military slogans. It will be a good opportunity for the military to purchase modern equipments and strengthen itself. War is not always bad.

I don't agree on Ansar taking over Arakan.Yes I know they are brave,but you have to have effective weapon to fight the Burmese off..303 are certainly not among effective weapon.besides they lack ammo,which is main.

Burma have built roads recently to facilitate faster deployment of troops.So they can reinforce within hours.Besides we are forgetting NASAKA.They are the border guards of Burma.

And about our jets pounding their garrison,its going to be very very risky attempt.As we do not know what air defences they have.Burmese buy a large deal of arms from Black market.It won't be surprising if they come up with some nasty air defence.
 
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Come on!!! Its only some 500 millon per year. They wont be able to sustain a war more than 3-6 mos with BD. They even cant pay for their own import bills. I know, our exporter has to exchange commodity with them as they dont have cash to pay for their imports.
Secondly 400000 soldiers is not much for Burmese as they have 40+ sepratist group to be taken care of. I doubt they can bring 100000 or more troops in BD border keeping other frontier wide open.
BD can engage all of its resources against Burmese. BD also can get a quick UN security council resolution and legalise the war. China not going to Veto for them, at best they will abstain. BD can pay 10 billion dollar cash to buy hardwares for the war. That will pay for 70 F-16, 10 Frigates, couple of submarines,1000 tanks and many more.....
Can Burma match those hardware??? They are doomed. I am just worried about our civilians in Chittagong. Nothing else.

Now first of all we won't get so many things with 10billion dollars.Frigates costs around 200-300 million alone.Besides you need to add weapons.
Besides when do you expect to get a delivery of all those,its going to take at least a few weeks on priority basis.
Third part is,our pilots are not accustomed to flying F-16.But some have flown it in past while training in US.But that's not enough experience for combat.We will need to hire mercenaries.

This time I think the situation should be handled diplomatically.And I think the situation has calmed a bit.So I don't think this time there will be a war.
I agree with Eastwatch sir,may be the Burmese are deploying troops permanently.May be for future conflict.
 
Tuku rules out cause for jitters about Myanmar moves

Wed, Oct 14th, 2009 3:20 pm BdST Dial 2324

Dhaka, Oct 14 (bdnews24.com)--Bangladesh should not be worried about the recent activities of neighbouring Myanmar along the frontiers, the state minister for home said on Wednesday.

"There is nothing to panic about Myanmar. But there should be some cautions," Shamsul Haq Tuku said while exchanging views with journalists at his office.

The government is vigilant and alert to tackle any situation, he said.

The state minister referred to the erection of barbed-wire fence and mobilisation of troops along the border within the Myanmar territory.

"The duty of the government is to safeguard sovereignty and law and order of the country. It is working with caution to tackle the situation by observing the overall condition," Tuku said.

Foreign minister Dipu Moni said on Sunday Myanmar was constructing fence inside their territory conforming to international laws.

She also rejected the media reports of heavy mobilisation of troops along Bangladesh-Myanmar border across Cox's Bazaar district.

Asked whether there is any quarter inside the government linked to the militants, Tuku said: "The government will take stern action against anybody found having any link with militancy."

"The government is determined to root out militancy. It will continue with its efforts," he said.

Curbing and uprooting of militancy is an ongoing process, the junior minister said.

"The law enforcers are taking necessary steps from their own position," he said.

A motivation committee was formed in April after the government came to office in January to create public awareness against militancy.

The committee has conducted a number of campaigns to create public awareness.

Tuku rules out cause for jitters about Myanmar moves :: Bangladesh :: bdnews24.com ::
 
haha... well that's true. because though our GDP is a little over US$ 200 billion but we have US$ 7.5 billion dollars "unused" reserve cash, which govt. is trying and crying to invest in somewhere. As no banks or industries are taking those money and govt. have that in their hands & don't know where to use, so though it is funny but they can invest in warfare. If we take control of the Arakan and surroundings, Myanmar can't get supplies from China and their dream oil/gas pipeline will become history. But the tragedy is, our "Lady" head of states don't have the guts to make such decisions.

Khaleda and Hasina - these two women ruined our military improvements. :hitwall:

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Come on!!! Its only some 500 millon per year. They wont be able to sustain a war more than 3-6 mos with BD. They even cant pay for their own import bills. I know, our exporter has to exchange commodity with them as they dont have cash to pay for their imports.
Secondly 400000 soldiers is not much for Burmese as they have 40+ sepratist group to be taken care of. I doubt they can bring 100000 or more troops in BD border keeping other frontier wide open.
BD can engage all of its resources against Burmese. BD also can get a quick UN security council resolution and legalise the war. China not going to Veto for them, at best they will abstain. BD can pay 10 billion dollar cash to buy hardwares for the war. That will pay for 70 F-16, 10 Frigates, couple of submarines,1000 tanks and many more.....
Can Burma match those hardware??? They are doomed. I am just worried about our civilians in Chittagong. Nothing else.
 
American Chronicle | Bangladesh starts reacting to maritime dispute


Bangladesh starts reacting to maritime dispute
Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
October 14, 2009
On Thursday [October 8, 2009], Bangladesh has served legal notive on India and Myanmar to settle the disputes over maritime boundary claims before a United Nations [UN] tribunals as it decided to take the issue to a compulsory arbitration under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. Disputes over the territorial waters amongst the three countries are preventing Bangladesh from extracting marine resources and establishing its sovereignty in the Bay of Bengal.

Bangladesh is yet to delimit its maritime boundary with its neighbours in Bay of Bengal, that is Myanmar on eastern side and India on its western side. Myanmar and India agreed on maritime territory between themselves but they need to solve the maritime boundary issues with Bangladesh. During the last quarter of 2008, this problem gained momentum in the area near 50 nautical miles southwest of the St. Martin Island when Myanmar sent four offshore exploration vessels [2 Bahamas registered and 2 Belize registered] escorted by 2 naval ships to facilitate the South Korean Daewoo Company to explore the oil and gas resources. The situation become complicated when the Bangladesh Navy also positioned three ships at the spot after the Myanmar side reportedly began oil and gas exploration in that area. Despite protests by Bangladesh, citing sovereignty issues, the Myanmar government said that it would continue exploration in the Bay of Bengal. It stopped the oil and gas exploration in deep-sea blocks in disputed waters, a day after Bangladesh asked China to mediate the issue. Myanmar however has claimed that withdrawal was not because of the Bangladesh request; apparently the South Korean company had completed its seismic survey in Block AD-7. Although the tension has slowed down, the crisis is yet to be solved.

According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea [UNCLOS] 1982, a nation can claims 12 nautical miles of territorial sea, 200 nautical miles of Exclusive Economic Zone, and 350 nautical miles of continental shelf. Generally a state´s EEZ extends to a distance of 200 nautical miles [370kms] out from its coast. However, in the case of Bangladesh, India and Myanmar, the situation became difficult as coasts of these countries follow a curve which has led overaping of territory. Yet, neither party was interested to take it to UN, nor did they agree for joint survey mechanism, that India follows with Pakistan. Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea [UNCLOS] Bangladesh too has to file its claim by July 27, 2011.

Bangladesh´s foreign minister Dr. Dipu Moni told newsmen on October 8, 2009 that Dhaka has decided to go to the United Nations arbitration as negotiations with India and Myanmar in past 35 years failed to resolve the issue. Indian high commissioner Pinak Ranjan Chakravarty and Myanmar ambassador U Phae Thann Oo were called in to the foreign ministry earlier in the day and foreign secretary Mijarul Quayes handed the notifications to them pass it on to their governments.

The arbitration notifications were issued a day after prime minister Sheikh Hasina announced in the parliament her government´s decisive move towards exploring gas in the Bay and with the state-owned petroleum corporation, Petrobangla, holding negotiations with two international oil companies to award contracts for exploration.

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina said in the parliament, ´We want to solve the problems with neighbouring countries without any quarrel. Problems can be solved through discussions.´

Briefing reporters, the foreign minister said that the arbitration would be initiated before a United Nations tribunal to be constituted in accordance with the principles and rules of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea [UNCLOS].

Bangladesh appointed British jurist Vaughn Lowe QC as its arbitrator to plead the country´s case at the world body. Bangladesh submitted the notifications of arbitration within weeks after agreeing to lease out three gas blocks in the Bay of Bengal to US company ConocoPhillips and Irish Tullow. ConocoPhillips, the third largest energy company in the US, will get deep-sea blocks 10 and 11 and shallow-sea block 5 will be awarded to Tullow. But India and Myanmar sent objections to ConocoPhillips asking the company not to explore the gas blocks 10 and 11, claiming that some parts of the blocks belonged to their respective territorial waters.

Foreign secretary Mijarul Quayes in a statement said the claims of Bangladesh´s neighbours had ´unfairly cut off a significant portion of our maritime area in the Bay of Bengal and prevented us from exploring and exploiting our oil and natural gas resources´.

The Bay of Bengal has become a lucrative territory for countries, especially after India's discovery of 100 trillion cubic feet of gas in 2005-06 and Myanmar's discovery of 7 trillion cubic feet of gas. According to British Petroleum, Myanmar has 21 Trillion Cubic Feet [TCF] of gas reserves, while Bangladesh has 13.77 TCF of gas. Most of them are located in the Bay of Bengali. However, except the discovery of Sangu gas field with about .848 TCF of recoverable gas, Bangladesh has not much of exploration on the five offshore blocks so farii. Bangladesh is very keen on utilizing its offshore reserves for the country´s development after they realized that existing gas reserves were smaller than anticipated and predicted that abundant oil & gas reserves are most likely to be present in the offshore region.

In Bangladesh, oil and gas is an economic resource and is vital for the survival of 150 million people living in an area of 147,000 sq km. Gas is a major source of revenue and employment for expanding their industrial growth. Bangladesh has recently been facing shortage of gas, currently produces 1750 million cubic feet of gas a day and faces a shortage of nearly 200 million cubic feet in its daily domestic consumptioniii. This situation exists despite the existence of hydrocarbon in Bangladesh. Generally wherever gas is found oil is also normally present in its lower strata provided certain geological conditions prevail. Thus, it is expected that the offshore area of Bangladesh may be rich in oil reserves.

For several years after taking the lead in 1974 for offshore exploration, Bangladesh hibernated while India and Myanmar aggressively explored and discovered significant petroleum resources. Under the New Exploration Licensing Policy, India offered 55 blocks [24 deepwater blocks beyond 400m bathymetry] to the International Oil Companies [IOCs] in the Bay of Bengal during 2006, which is now under exploration phase. Bangladesh has claimed that the map published by the country clearly showed that blocks D-23 [8,706 square kilo meter] and D-22 [7790 square kilo meter] have overlapped Bangladesh´s block 21 declared in 1991, which is technically very hard to prove.


On the other hand, Myanmar made significant gas discovery in the block A-1 and A-3 gas fields in the Bay of Bengal in Rakhaine Province, which is adjacent to Bangladesh. Disturbing part is, Bangladesh hardly knew that Myanmar has claimed certain blocks that are overlapping with their blocks in the Exclusive Economic Zone [EEZ] areas, which they have claimed in 1974. Bangladesh claimed in 2006, that Myanmar had encroached 18,000 square kilometers into Bangladesh waters and floated gas exploration tenders. The first round of talks between Myanmar and Bangladesh took place in April 2008, which was ended inconclusively without making any significant progress in resolving the issue. There seems to be a strong feeling that Bangladesh should have registered their strongest protest against Myanmar´s exploration in A-1, A-3 and India´s exploration in D-22 and 23, like India had done in 1974 and again in 2008 against Bangladesh.

In 1974, Bangladesh was the first country among the South Asian countries which declared its jurisdictions on territorial waters, economic zones, and continental shelf through a national legislation in the parliament, known as the Territorial and Maritime Zones Act 1974. Regarding the maritime boundary issue, Bangladesh had a negotiation with both India and Myanmar commenced in 1974 and since then, there were series of meetings with the representatives of both countries in the intervening years. Later, negotiations were held with India in 1982 and with Myanmar in 1986 and recently during 2008. However, negotiations remained inconclusive with both India and Myanmar.

In the case of Bangladesh, India and Myanmar, the problem arose when they have taken different approach to demarcate their maritime boundary; because of which, India and Bangladesh bilateral talk´s became inconclusive. India offers the equidistant principle as the basis for demarcating maritime boundary, where on Bangladesh favours a principle based on equity, which actually resulted in an area of overlap between them. The same difference in arguments rendered Bangladesh-Myanmar talks inconclusive as well. But, India and Myanmar [opposite States] agreed upon equidistant boundary among themselves on 23rd December 1986 through an agreement, which came into force on 14th September 1987.

According to the UNCLOS- Part V, any such dispute between any two countries should be resolved on the basis of equity and in the light of all the relevant circumstances, taking into account the respective importance of the interests involved to the parties as well as to the international community as a whole. Article 15 says, Delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coastsiv are:

"Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of the two States in a way which is at variance therewith."

It is clarified that if no treaty exists otherwise [as in case of India-Bangladesh], the equidistant line should be considered as boundary. There is no historic title, nor special circumstances that exist between these two countries. No official stay order was also issued from ICJ [International Court of Justice] on this dispute. Hence, technically Indian claim gets priority over the Bangladesh claim since the former follows the equidistant principle. Assuming that India does not intrude beyond the equidistant line, it is difficult to find technical fault from Indian perspective. There has been no official complain against India lodged in ICJ as well. A similar action by Myanmar few months back sparked enmity between the nations. It should be noted that Bangladesh needs to file the claim to UN by July 27, 2011, a failure of which would enable India and Myanmar to go ahead with their lines of demarcation.

However, the Articles 76 and 82 of the 1982 UNCLOS lay down the methods of delimitation of sea boundary between adjacent states [distinct from opposite states, such as Sri Lanka and India]. According to these articles, first the states shall settle the boundary through negotiations. If negotiations fail, the principle of equity will apply, implying that justice and fairness must be the hallmark of settlement. Main argument is, delimitation of sea boundary between two adjacent states, such as Bangladesh and India, is different from that of opposite states such as India and Sri Lanka or Australia and Indonesia.

The "equidistant method" that is applicable between the opposite countries in respect of delimitation of Exclusive Economic Zone [EEZ] and Continental Shelf cannot be invoked to draw the sea boundary between adjacent countries as it disregards the physical features of coastal areas and does not achieve "an equitable solution" as mandated by the UN Convention. If this method is applied, the boundary between adjacent countries will be unfair, distorted and inequitable. Therefore, sea boundary of Bangladesh with its adjacent neighbours requires to be drawn in terms of the provisions of the UN Convention so as to achieve "an equitable solution".

The unresolved martime boundary issue has surely put Dhaka, New Delhi and Yangoon in a kind of ´cold war´ situation. Sensing Dhaka´s initiatives in knocking the doors of United Nations in seeing resolution to the decade-old dispute, both New Delhi and Yangoon have started mobilizing all out diplomatic efforts in raising their voice in favor of their claim on the maritime boundary in Bay of Bengal. In this case, New Delhi will also be able to mobilize its friendly allies in the West as well take the support from Western media, as it enjoys a reputation of being a secular democratic nation in South Asia. On the other hand, Myanmar is considered to be a country ruled by autocratic military junta and Bangladesh a country, till now failing to combat rise of Islamist militancy. Naturally, the entire situation puts New Delhi rather in an advantageous situation. Now it is very important to watch the final fate of Dhaka´s efforts in settling the long-dtanding dispute. Surely, this may either end in a all party acceptable conclusion, or may further generate tension amongst the three South Asian nations.
 
Bangladesh Worried About “Massive Burmese Troops Build Up” | 2point6billion.com - Foreign Direct Investment in Asia

Bangladesh Worried About “Massive Burmese Troops Build Up”



Oct. 14 – Senior Military officials in Bangladesh have expressed concern about a “massive” build up of Burmese troops on the country’s eastern border and have deployed three army brigades to the border as reinforcements, Reuters reports.

The buildup has occurred along the 320 kilometer frontier, which runs partially along the Naf River. The Burmese troops have apparently massed positions facing towards Bangladesh, dug bunkers and brought in artillery.

The river has some disputed border areas, most notably several islands that are claimed by both sides. Bangladesh has recently expressed dissatisfaction with Burmese exploration in the river. The two sides have previously exchanged gunfire in a previous altercation in 2001.
 
Bangladesh, Myanmar build troops on border
Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:19:07 GMT
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Bangladesh, Myanmar build up border forces
Bangladesh is planning to send reinforcements to its border with Myanmar, in response to Yangon's military build-up along the frontier.

Officials in Bangladesh said Wednesday that they were monitoring the situation very closely, Reuters reported.

The development follows reports that Myanmar was erecting barbed-wire fences along its border with Bangladesh.

Myanmar is reportedly building up its military in the region. Bangladesh says its army is ready to act if necessary.

Border tension is common between the two neighbors, with minor clashes erupting at times.


looks like its going to go very tence in few days
 
I don't agree on Ansar taking over Arakan.Yes I know they are brave,but you have to have effective weapon to fight the Burmese off..303 are certainly not among effective weapon.besides they lack ammo,which is main.

Burma have built roads recently to facilitate faster deployment of troops.So they can reinforce within hours.Besides we are forgetting NASAKA.They are the border guards of Burma.

And about our jets pounding their garrison,its going to be very very risky attempt.As we do not know what air defences they have.Burmese buy a large deal of arms from Black market.It won't be surprising if they come up with some nasty air defence.
You have to read my post in conjunction with the post I was replying to in order to understand why I wrote this. However, I must add that because of the type of neighbours around us, a final outcome of any long war with any of our neighbours will depend upon how we are going to sacrifice ourselves.

The poster mentioned that this is not WW 1 era, therefore, a partisan war will not do. But, I think finally it is the partisan war that will decide the outcome of a war with our neighbours. People's war is certainly not outdated, it is still there and it will remain so even when the world is full of deadly weapons.

Look at Iraq and Afghanistan, they are doing people's war and US high tech has no relevance there. A war is certainly not a Hollywood movie, where the usa always successfully pound the enemy to destroy it. In a real war, the enemy jets have to come down to face the population below. So, it is just not correct to assume that people's war is outdated.

If BD people are worried about their own lives and are not willing to fight an enemy and protect the sovereignty and honour of the nation and think the enemy is very big and they will kill us, then exactly this thing will happen. No enemy has four hands and two heads.

But, I am sure if there are cowards in any country, then there are more braves in that country. If BD has more cowards than there are braves, there is only one natural outcome, a defeat and demolition of BD as a nation-State. History is full of similar events. There will be only one more addition. We are not supposed to worry about the availability of weapons by the Burmese in the black market, isn't it?

About Rangoon, it was just a suggestion. Our military people will decide where to attack. Our military people know that Burma has only one newly built road to connect with arakan. They will certainly try to destroy the bridges over this road. I am sure, we have our intelligence assets among the Rohingyas
 
China Confidential: Report: N. Korea Helping Burma Build Nukes

Report: N. Korea Helping Burma Build Nukes

Two defectors from Burma say the military government has a secret nuclear program that aims to build nuclear weapons, and could have a nuclear test as soon as five years from now.

So say Australian researchers in Thailand. They say the defectors have also linked North Korea to the program, raising further concerns about Pyongyang's nuclear proliferation, if the allegations prove true.

In interviews over a two-year period in Thailand, the two defectors reportedly told the Australians that a secret nuclear complex is being built in caves excavated in a mountainous area of northern Burma.

The defectors said that they were directly involved in the program, and that Burma's goal is to build nuclear weapons.

The defectors' testimony was first published in the Sydney Morning Herald, which did not publish their real names in order to protect their identities.


An A-Bomb a Year

One of the researchers who interviewed the defectors is Desmond Ball, a professor in strategic studies at Australian National University. The Herald quoted Ball as saying that if the defectors' story is true, Burma could begin producing one nuclear weapon a year as early as 2014.

One of the defectors, a former Burmese army officer, claims he was trained in Moscow as part of Burma's plans for a "nuclear battalion" of 1,000 men to build the weapons.

The other defector reportedly said he handled Burma's nuclear contracts with Moscow and Pyongyang and arranged the night-time delivery of equipment from North Korea.

Russia is helping Burma build a civilian nuclear reactor.

Concerns have been raised occasionally about a possible nuclear link between North Korea and Burma.

In June, a North Korean ship believed to be headed to Burma with a suspicious cargo turned back under international pressure.

U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton told an Asian security conference last month they should be concerned that the two pariah states may be transferring nuclear technology.

Clinton said any military ties between Burma and North Korea would pose a direct threat to the region.
 
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Burmese Military Junta Constructs Tunnel in Arakan



10/13/2009


Ann: The Burmese military junta has been constructing a tunnel bunker in Ann Township in Arakan State since the beginning of this year for storing fighter jets, said a military source.

The tunnel is located in Mae Daung Mountain, located ten miles north of Ann where the Western Command is stationed.

According to a local source, a military air base has also been under construction Ann Town for the last few years but is now complete, and fighter jets are now landing at the base.

The tunnel is intended to be connected with the air base but no further information about the tunnel is known, one analyst said.

The Burmese military junta has been constructing many underground tunnels throughout Burma with the help of North Korea, but there is no detailed information on the tunnel in Arakan, or whether North Korea is assisting in the construction.

According to the military source, this is the latest military build-up in Arakan State. Prior to this, the regime built other military infrastructure, including Kyauk Pru Navy Base, Ann Air Base, and Kyaun Thaya Radar Station.

The Burmese military has been increasing its strength in Arakan State because it is in a strategic location on the Bay of Bengal, which is rich in natural resources.
 
Following report in bangla revealed that india not only supplying Myanmar with arms and advise but also helped Myanmar creating this maritime dispute with Bangladesh. A classic indian tactics to devise wedge and isolate Bangladesh from China and South East Asia.

India actually instigated Myanmar for adopting a very similar (to its own) type of claim against Bangladesh maritime territory. Bangladesh naval officers who has been expert in this area and worked reviewing indian and Myanmar claim stated claims are similar in terms and even in language.
I have spoken to a retd maj Gen who closely involved in strategic matter also viewed same that india instigated Myanmar adopting their claim and even fueling this escalation with Bangladesh.

http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=172988&sec=1
 

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