Bangladesh Navy

[Bilal9]

Double post

 

[Bilal9]

sorry brother, can't find the links..... but I can share one PDF discussion on the US decision on F-16.... the original news items even had the names of US State Department spokesperson.... but those had been removed from Google searches.....
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-refused-to-sell-f-16s-to-bangladesh.113695/

but on a positive note, I had been able to recover another Wikileaks link on the cable by US Ambassador in Dhaka back on 19 Jan 2010 on the suggestion to supply a Newport-class LST to Bangladesh..... the suggestion was refused by the US govt as we now know....
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10DHAKA65_a.html

Well the older Newport class LST's would've been far cheaper, but these were beyond obsolete, even countries which received them second hand have decommissioned them.

We still need a few, so off to the drawing board and yard again, maybe ToT from foreign sources will speed up things a bit. First choice for building large LST locally with ToT would be the PLAN 072A LST, barring which the Ivan Gren class maybe a distant second choice.

Newport class is obsolete and cannot be a reasonable choice for BN

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Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

Yantar Shipyard based in Kaliningrad held an official keel laying ceremony for the second Ivan Gren class Landing Ship (Project 11711) for the Russian Navy: The Pyotr Morgunov. Construction the vessel actually started in December last year as we reported at the time.

These amphibious vessels can support beach landing of up to 300 marines, 40 armored personnel carriers or 13 tanks and carry the Kamov Ka-29 type helicopter on the deck. The landing ships are armed with a 76-mm naval gun, two 30-mm AK-630 antiaircraft mounts and multiple artillery rocket systems.

Project Serna fast landing craft

"The Pyotr Morgunov large landing ship is planned to be transferred to the Navy in 2018, after the completion of the vessel building and all stages of testing. The project’s lead ship - the Ivan Gren is in the final stage of construction and will be delivered to the Navy after trials at the end 2015," head of Navy’s shipbuilding department Vladimir Tryapichnikov told reporters.

The Pyotr Morgunov will have modern cranes for loading equipment, which also can be loaded on the ship through the bow ramp. "The vessel has significantly improved living conditions for accommodation and accommodation of the crew, commandos and marines. Its cruising range is up to 4,000 miles, which will allow the ship to fulfill tasks in the off-shore maritime zone. The Pyotr Morgunov large landing ship can also carry a transport-combat helicopter," said Tryapichnikov.

Lead Ship of Project 11711 Ivan Gren Large Amphibious Assault Ship

The Russian Navy will receive by 2020 the first new-generation landing ship that will be many times heavier than the Ivan Gren class vessels and will be able to carry several helicopters, Tryapichnikov told reporters earlier on Thursday.

"The construction of new-generation large landing ships will be launched within the next five years, and these ships will many times surpass in displacement the Ivan Gren and Pyotr Morgunov large landing ships, have higher landing force compatibility and will be able to carry not one, but several helicopters," Tryapichnikov said.

According to him, the first ship of this class is to be built by 2020. "It will be a new project for the ‘large landing ship’ class," he said.

Director General of the Nevsky Design Bureau Sergei Vlasov told TASS in an interview that the bureau was working on the project of a next-generation landing ship worth 20 million roubles ($365,240). In addition, a high-ranking defence industry source told TASS previously that the designing and building of national amphibious assault helicopter ships was included in the country’s long-term naval construction programme for the period until 2050.

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TYPE 072A LST

Dabieshan, a sister ship to the Tianmushan, is a 5,000 ton amphibious warship that can carry a company of soldiers and vehicles, as well as hovercraft and helicopter straight to a beach under heavy fire.

An LST is essentially a cargo ship with a flat hull and a hull mounted door in its bow; the flat hull allows the LST to beach itself on unprepared shallow waters and unimproved shores (like beaches) and disembark infantry and vehicles from its bow, onto land and straight into combat.

CIWS

The H/PJ-17 CIWS uses a 30mm autocannon to defend the Tianmushan against missile threats, it can be fired remotely as well as manually.

The Tianmushan, at 119.5 meters long and 16.4 meters wide, balances a significant transport capability while still being able to land on beaches. The Type 72A LST can carry 10 tanks, 4 landing craft, 250 soldiers, a medium helicopter on its helipad. Unlike its sister version, the Type 72-III, it has a stern deck well for carrying a medium hovercraft. It also has a 30mm gun turret which can be used either for defense or for a light fire support capability onshore.

WELL AND THROUGH

An older Type 072A, the Baxian Shan, unloads motor launched infantry in shallow water. You can see through the hull to the welldeck in the back.

The PLAN already has the world's largest LST fleet, with 12 Type 72As, in addition to 3 Type 72s, 4 Type 72-IIs and 10 Type 72-IIIs; along with 25 smaller Type 73 and Type 74 LSTs. In an amphibious operation, Chinese LSTs are expected to operate along larger 25,000 Type 071 landing platform dock (LPD) ships. However, the carrying capacity of LSTs also means that they can be repurposed for other operations. While the Iranians notably repurposed LSTs as minelayers in the Iraq-Iran War, the Tianmushan and its sister ships could serve as motherships for Chinese manned and unmanned systems.

Type 072A-class LST 911 TianZhuShan

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Design-wise we can also benchmark the much smaller 2000 ton Algerian LSTH twins Kalaat Beni Rached and Kalaat Beni Hammad built in the UK sometime back, very basic design but suitable for much easier build in our yards....

 

[Banglar Bir]

Deadly Missiles of Bangladesh Navy

 

[Bilal9]

We have had this discussion before, and it keeps reappearing, I wonder why?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy.168818/page-170#post-8644764

 

[Banglar Bir]

Bangladesh Navy getting two more submarine from China

We have had this discussion before, and it keeps reappearing, I wonder why?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy.168818/page-170#post-8644764

Viewing is believing, posts are ambiguous.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Well the older Newport class LST's would've been far cheaper, but these were beyond obsolete, even countries which received them second hand have decommissioned them.

We still need a few, so off to the drawing board and yard again, maybe ToT from foreign sources will speed up things a bit. First choice for building large LST locally with ToT would be the PLAN 072A LST, barring which the Ivan Gren class maybe a distant second choice.

Newport class is obsolete and cannot be a reasonable choice for BN

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Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

Russia's Yantar Shipyard Held Keel Laying for Second Landing Ship Project 11711 "Pyotr Morgunov"

Yantar Shipyard based in Kaliningrad held an official keel laying ceremony for the second Ivan Gren class Landing Ship (Project 11711) for the Russian Navy: The Pyotr Morgunov. Construction the vessel actually started in December last year as we reported at the time.

Computer rendering of Project 11711 Ivan Gren Large Amphibious Assault Ship. They have a displacement of 5,000 tonnes. These amphibious vessels can support beach landing of up to 300 marines, 40 armored personnel carriers or 13 tanks and carry the Kamov Ka-29 type helicopter on the deck. The landing ships are armed with a 76-mm naval gun, two 30-mm AK-630 antiaircraft mounts and multiple artillery rocket systems.

Project Serna fast landing craft

"The Pyotr Morgunov large landing ship is planned to be transferred to the Navy in 2018, after the completion of the vessel building and all stages of testing. The project’s lead ship - the Ivan Gren is in the final stage of construction and will be delivered to the Navy after trials at the end 2015," head of Navy’s shipbuilding department Vladimir Tryapichnikov told reporters.

The Pyotr Morgunov will have modern cranes for loading equipment, which also can be loaded on the ship through the bow ramp. "The vessel has significantly improved living conditions for accommodation and accommodation of the crew, commandos and marines. Its cruising range is up to 4,000 miles, which will allow the ship to fulfil tasks in the off-shore maritime zone. The Pyotr Morgunov large landing ship can also carry a transport-combat helicopter," said Tryapichnikov.

Lead Ship of Project 11711 Ivan Gren Large Amphibious Assault Ship

The Russian Navy will receive by 2020 the first new-generation landing ship that will be many times heavier than the Ivan Gren class vessels and will be able to carry several helicopters, Tryapichnikov told reporters earlier on Thursday.

"The construction of new-generation large landing ships will be launched within the next five years, and these ships will many times surpass in displacement the Ivan Gren and Pyotr Morgunov large landing ships, have higher landing force compatibility and will be able to carry not one, but several helicopters," Tryapichnikov said.

According to him, the first ship of this class is to be built by 2020. "It will be a new project for the ‘large landing ship’ class," he said.

Director General of the Nevsky Design Bureau Sergei Vlasov told TASS in an interview that the bureau was working on the project of a next-generation landing ship worth 20 million roubles ($365,240). In addition, a high-ranking defence industry source told TASS previously that the designing and building of national amphibious assault helicopter ships was included in the country’s long-term naval construction programme for the period until 2050.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TYPE 072A LST

Dabieshan, a sister ship to the Tianmushan, is a 5,000 ton amphibious warship that can carry a company of soldiers and vehicles, as well as hovercraft and helicopter straight to a beach under heavy fire.

An LST is essentially a cargo ship with a flat hull and a hull mounted door in its bow; the flat hull allows the LST to beach itself on unprepared shallow waters and unimproved shores (like beaches) and disembark infantry and vehicles from its bow, onto land and straight into combat.

CIWS

The H/PJ-17 CIWS uses a 30mm autocannon to defend the Tianmushan against missile threats, it can be fired remotely as well as manually.

The Tianmushan, at 119.5 meters long and 16.4 meters wide, balances a significant transport capability while still being able to land on beaches. The Type 72A LST can carry 10 tanks, 4 landing craft, 250 soldiers, a medium helicopter on its helipad. Unlike its sister version, the Type 72-III, it has a stern deck well for carrying a medium hovercraft. It also has a 30mm gun turret which can be used either for defense or for a light fire support capability onshore.

WELL AND THROUGH

An older Type 072A, the Baxian Shan, unloads motor launched infantry in shallow water. You can see through the hull to the welldeck in the back.

The PLAN already has the world's largest LST fleet, with 12 Type 72As, in addition to 3 Type 72s, 4 Type 72-IIs and 10 Type 72-IIIs; along with 25 smaller Type 73 and Type 74 LSTs. In an amphibious operation, Chinese LSTs are expected to operate along larger 25,000 Type 071 landing platform dock (LPD) ships. However, the carrying capacity of LSTs also means that they can be repurposed for other operations. While the Iranians notably repurposed LSTs as minelayers in the Iraq-Iran War, the Tianmushan and its sister ships could serve as motherships for Chinese manned and unmanned systems.

Type 072A-class LST 911 TianZhuShan

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Design-wise we can also benchmark the much smaller 2000 ton Algerian LSTH twins Kalaat Beni Rached and Kalaat Beni Hammad built in the UK sometime back, very basic design but suitable for much easier build in our yards....

My question is do we need a 5000 ton landing craft because getting one just for the sake of it sounds like a terrible idea... Steady 5 or 6 which is beyond our affordability... You have to consider we will need other platform purchase too

 

[Arthur]

We have had this discussion before, and it keeps reappearing, I wonder why?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy.168818/page-170#post-8644764

Bangladesh army is on the process to buy 6-8 LST to be built at local shipyards & BN will build new minesweeper fleet. Minister responsible for defence matters in NA confirmed it during ongoing session of Jatiyo Songshod.

 

[Bilal9]

My question is do we need a 5000 ton landing craft because getting one just for the sake of it sounds like a terrible idea... Steady 5 or 6 which is beyond our affordability... You have to consider we will need other platform purchase too

Like @Khan saheb confirmed above, we do need LST's as they are part of the Army/Navy strategic plan, now whether we need several 2000 ton ones or a couple of 5000 ton craft remains to be worked out.

Provision also has to be made for what will be carried and launched from the LST's and the configuration for each, i.e.

1. whether amphibious tanks/APC's or
2. troops using Fast landing craft to be built such as the larger new Dyugon class. Or several of the smaller Project Serna class landing craft for special situations as I have detailed above. The Dyugon class is a more modernized version of the POLNOCNY/Kumbhir class the Indian Navy uses (largely decommissioned).

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy.168818/page-170#post-8669041

a few images showing configurations of the Dyugon class...

These simple LST craft can be easily built locally by even private yards, however ToT may be needed for weapons and sensors integration if any. We have already built the 440 ton Shakti Shanchar class (see below), so scaling up is a rather shallow learning curve.

The vessel has been designed to carry 9 Tanks and 150 troops, operate in shallow water and conduct beach landings.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Agreed, those are exactly whats being constructed for REB.

 

[Banglar Bir]

BREAKING: Bangladesh Navy buying Attack Submarine | দিল্লীর দুঃচিন্তা আসছে অত্যাধুনিক সাবমেরিন

Published on Jul 17, 2017
Bangladesh Navy planning to expand its submarine force by 2020. Chinese S-20/Type 041 Yuan class, German Type 214 or Type 212, Turkish Gur & Reis class submarines are the main competitors. Russia offered its Improved Kilo-class submarines to Dhaka recently. Sources confirmed that Bangladesh Noubahini planning to operate a fleet of at least five attack submarines in near future.

Currently BN searching for advanced, cost effective and quieter attack submarines from various origin. Ultimately one will be selected. Two Chinese Type 053G Ming-class submarines will then serve as training boats and can be deployed for coastal patrol duties.

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[bdslph]

will the subs be able to target Surface / Cruise Missiles

BREAKING: Bangladesh Navy buying Attack Submarine | দিল্লীর দুঃচিন্তা আসছে অত্যাধুনিক সাবমেরিন

Published on Jul 17, 2017
Bangladesh Navy planning to expand its submarine force by 2020. Chinese S-20/Type 041 Yuan class, German Type 214 or Type 212, Turkish Gur & Reis class submarines are the main competitors. Russia offered its Improved Kilo-class submarines to Dhaka recently. Sources confirmed that Bangladesh Noubahini planning to operate a fleet of at least five attack submarines in near future.

Currently BN searching for advanced, cost effective and quieter attack submarines from various origin. Ultimately one will be selected. Two Chinese Type 053G Ming-class submarines will then serve as training boats and can be deployed for coastal patrol duties.

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[Michael Corleone]

will the subs be able to target Surface / Cruise Missiles

Yes ofc.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Defence Technology of Bangladesh-DTB Bangladesh Navy SWADS member with US made M-24A1 bolt action sniper rifle

 

[monitor]

Cockpit of BN AW109 naval LUH.

 

[masud]

A Bangladesh Navy Dornier Do-228 partially skidded off runway 23 at Chittagong on touchdown during a routine training mission at around 0515pm. The airport was closed and many flights to Chittagong diverted to Dhaka or have been delayed.