Bangladesh may acquire 10 Russian Yak-130s

[Avisheik]

By that account JF 17 is powered by RD 93 a variant of RD 33 used to power Mig 29..an aircraft combat proven and already in possession of BD.

Anyways lets not beat around the bush. You have a hardtime accepting the Chinese/Pakistani tag of JF 17..isn't it? Also according to me JF 17 will be haunted by the fact that other than Pakistan it has no takers and even PLAF is not acquiring any.How can one buy an aircraft which the makers themselves are not using?

Its not the chinese pakistani tag. Its the 2nd part that causes us to be uncomforatble.

 

[Tshering22]

BAF has been operating twin-engined fighters for a decade now. So, what is it exactly that you want to know?

If you want to know where our threat lies, the answer is both India and Myanmar; since we are not allied to any of these nations. In case of any war, it is better to be prepared than be sorry later; Afterall, we don't have any Guardian Angel.

In addition; my personal vote is for single engined fighters; but the military top-brass probably wants to counter the Burmese procurement of 20 new Mig-29s. That probably works on their mind.

As long as we are not attacked, you don't have to worry about us. We are a retaliatory force rather than and invasive one.

There are more tensions between you and Burma than both of us. Please remember that Burmese budget is massive compared to yours. They have the latest MiG-29SMTs while its best counter can be available from MiG-35s or Gripens.

 

[Tshering22]

Its not the chinese pakistani tag. Its the 2nd part that causes us to be uncomforatble.

Even the first part isn't too pleasing to be honest. Burmese have had a nasty experience of over-relying on one player too much. And add to that your history with Pakistan, it doesn't really do much of a favor.

It is much better if you can go for something that is within your operational cost management, is modern and at the same time doesn't have political strings or fall outs.

Now it is upto you to decide.

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Yak did not exist when you ordered back in 2003

what is this?

 

[UKBengali]

As long as we are not attacked, you don't have to worry about us. We are a retaliatory force rather than and invasive one.

There are more tensions between you and Burma than both of us. Please remember that Burmese budget is massive compared to yours. They have the latest MiG-29SMTs while its best counter can be available from MiG-35s or Gripens.

We understand that India has no designs to attack Bangladesh in the near future(0-10 years time).

The same cannot be said into the long-term(decades into the future) and so BD needs to prepare to be able to deter India by letting the Indians know that there will be a heavy price to pay for any Indian military attack.

Burma over the long-term will become an insignificant threat as BD has a GDP 3 times as large(similar GDP growth rates for both countries) and hence it's military will not be able to match BD over time.

 

[Tshering22]

^^ Even Gripen is not a proven platform. You could be the first export customer for JF 17.

Gripen has thrashed F-16s in Red flag. Just read through what the Swedish pilots did with USAF training pilots. You'd be surprised how come a deadly platform like Gripen hasn't sold so much just because of political arm twisting by US to prospective customer countries.

 

[Tshering22]

We understand that India has no designs to attack Bangladesh in the near future(0-10 years time).

In the last 62 years, we always had the time and the leadership (Indira) to have done it any time. When we didn't do it then, what makes you think we'd want to acquire another 150 million + people to our already humungous population?

The series of natural disasters in Bangladesh coasts is another thing we worry about if we were to ever plan an invasion.

We got enough troubles of our own to invade you. So forget any threat from us.

The same cannot be said into the long-term(decades into the future) and so BD needs to prepare to be able to deter India by letting the Indians know that there will be a heavy price to pay for any Indian military attack.

There's a big difference between perceptual threat and actual threat. Perceptually, no one is 100% safe. But that doesn't mean everyone is an enemy.

Just answer my above question.

If you indeed plan to make your defense strong, go for single engine fighter acquisitions over a long gestation time.

Burma over the long-term will become an insignificant threat as BD has a GDP 3 times as large(similar GDP growth rates for both countries) and hence it's military will not be able to match BD over time.

You forget Burma is an authoritarian regime. There have been massive changes they brought in to welcome investments. In authoritarian regimes while there's always the possibility of tyranny, the positive side is that decisions and changes come about instantly.

If Burma continues this trend of reforms, it may even cross you in the near time. Look at China for example. It was behind us just 30 year ago. Today it is 3.5 times larger than us in progress.

Burma can be said along the same lines. Besides, their military has first priority always. Burmese are not violent people but miscommunication may cause tensions.

 

[harpoon]

We understand that India has no designs to attack Bangladesh in the near future(0-10 years time).

The same cannot be said into the long-term(decades into the future) and so BD needs to prepare to be able to deter India by letting the Indians know that there will be a heavy price to pay for any Indian military attack.

Why on earth we want to add another 150 million people to our population? If we had the plans to invade BD we would have done it long ago.

Burma over the long-term will become an insignificant threat as BD has a GDP 3 times as large(similar GDP growth rates for both countries) and hence it's military will not be able to match BD over time.

You are underestimating Burma. It was once called 'Rice Bowl of Asia' and it will rise again once the military junta hand over power to civilians. Also by any means Myanmar military is much more battle hardened than BD bcs of the various insurgencies that they are fighting in their country.

 

[UKBengali]

In the last 62 years, we always had the time and the leadership (Indira) to have done it any time. When we didn't do it then, what makes you think we'd want to acquire another 150 million + people to our already humungous population?

The series of natural disasters in Bangladesh coasts is another thing we worry about if we were to ever plan an invasion.

We got enough troubles of our own to invade you. So forget any threat from us..

What makes yor think that all BD needs to think about is an all-out invasion? In the far-future, relations between India and BD could become so strained that India may decide to launch a limited attack to "teach the Benaglis a lesson". This is the scenario that BD planners should be looking at. The ability to inflict sufficient pain on the Indians that this possibility does not enter their minds at all.

Look the India of 2025, will have 250 5th-gen FGFAs, 500+ 4+ generation fighters, 3-4 aircraft carriers, dozens or so AWACS and dozens of advanced destroyers.It will be the 4th most powerful country in the world after China, US and Russia.


The world will most likely rapidly change with a new superpower(China) coming into the picture. If BD was to somehow "tilt" towards China, then the Indians may not like this and become
antagonistic towards BD.

If you indeed plan to make your defense strong, go for single engine fighter acquisitions over a long gestation time. ...

I agree with you 100%. We should try to get the J-10B and if that is not possible then the Gipen NG...

You forget Burma is an authoritarian regime. There have been massive changes they brought in to welcome investments. In authoritarian regimes while there's always the possibility of tyranny, the positive side is that decisions and changes come about instantly.

If Burma continues this trend of reforms, it may even cross you in the near time. Look at China for example. It was behind us just 30 year ago. Today it is 3.5 times larger than us in progress.

Burma can be said along the same lines. Besides, their military has first priority always. Burmese are not violent people but miscommunication may cause tensions.

Not likely as BD has a population 3 times as large and the BD economy is growing near 7% during this massive economic slowdown.Remember the Burmese will have to be 3 times as rich as the average Bengali to have a similar GDP.India and China are different as the Indians and Chinese have similar populations.

For Burma to have higher GDP growth it will have to reform more and more, and this will have the effect of "restraining" any militarry adventures the Burmese may have.

To "handle" Burma BD will not really need to spend a larger GDP share on defence as long as it's
economy grows at current rates.

For India, BD can only hope to inflict sufficient pain(as it could never prevent an all-out invasion) and this will require the BD government to raise defence expenditure from the current 1.5% of GDP to around 3%.

 

[damiendehorn]

All this talk about Burma able to win a all out war with Bangladesh is a load of cr*p, same as any talk about us winning a war with india (though this does not mean we shouldn't have a effective well equiped military deterant). The military focus in Burma is primarily to control the population and keep the junta in power.

a. Bangladesh has a population 2.5 times that of Burma 150m vs 60m.
b. Bangladesh GDP is $115b against roughly $43b for Burma.
c. Bangladesh GDP growth rate is nearing 7%-8%.
d. Burma has to spend nearly 5% of their GDP on their armed forces, leaving lot less for development.
e. Bangladesh only spends around 1% of their GDP on defence, (way less thens even indias 2.6%).
f. The total active manpower (all forces) is roughly the same, 400,000 for Bangladesh and 500,000 for burma
g. Most of Burma's military is tied down fighting various insurgents or controling their own population, the junta knows any full scale conflict with their neighbors, they risk being overthrown.

I could on and on, please can we stick to the topic gents.

I am happy that Bangladesh is going for these trainers, i would have prefered L15/J10B combination, but Yak-130/Su-30 is good enough. I just hope they don't buy more migs, (even the mig35). if they can get say 8-12 Yak-130s and 8-12 Su-30s that would be a start.

 

[Avisheik]

All this talk about Burma able to win a all out war with Bangladesh is a load of cr*p, same as any talk about us winning a war with india (though this does not mean we shouldn't have a effective well equiped military deterant). The military focus in Burma is primarily to control the population and keep the junta in power.

a. Bangladesh has a population 2.5 times that of Burma 150m vs 60m.
b. Bangladesh GDP is $115b against roughly $43b for Burma.
c. Bangladesh GDP growth rate is nearing 7%-8%.
d. Burma has to spend nearly 5% of their GDP on their armed forces, leaving lot less for development.
e. Bangladesh only spends around 1% of their GDP on defence, (way less thens even indias 2.6%).
f. The total active manpower (all forces) is roughly the same, 400,000 for Bangladesh and 500,000 for burma
g. Most of Burma's military is tied down fighting various insurgents or controling their own population, the junta knows any full scale conflict with their neighbors, they risk being overthrown.

I could on and on, please can we stick to the topic gents.

I am happy that Bangladesh is going for these trainers, i would have prefered L15/J10B combination, but Yak-130/Su-30 is good enough. I just hope they don't buy more migs, (even the mig35). if they can get say 8-12 Yak-130s and 8-12 Su-30s that would be a start.

Lol you forgot to mention 25% of their army personnels are kids, kidnapped to serve in the army. I dont think the deal will be able to cover su30 purchase, as it is also being used for the purchase of other military equipmet.

Off topic: a lot of bengalis from the UK came back to the forum today

 

[Zabaniyah]

I am happy that Bangladesh is going for these trainers, i would have prefered L15/J10B combination, but Yak-130/Su-30 is good enough. I just hope they don't buy more migs, (even the mig35). if they can get say 8-12 Yak-130s and 8-12 Su-30s that would be a start.

Flankers are even more costly to buy and operate compared to MiGs.

 

[kobiraaz]

What is the unit cost of S300?

 

[CONTINUATOR]

What is the unit cost of S300?

$150 million for each battery i think. That is what Vietnam paid.

 

[bdslph]

letss not go off topic which many went lets not go to war with Burma and India nor they will
lets talk about the topic
every country has poor people and stuff like that

 

[bd_4_ever]

What is the unit cost of S300?

Would love to see that in BD colors. But with dada India around the corner, i see it as a distant possibility!


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