Bangladesh begins construction of two large warships

[Bilal9]

and me be like

Ha ha tackle them good @BDforever.

 

[Joe Shearer]

and me be like

LOL. You're putting up an excellent defence! Don't seem to need any help.

 

[Spectre]

Yeah I keep forgetting some of the newer nationalistic commenters are barely sporting moustaches - heh heh

By all means feel free to participate - the more the merrier.....

Regarding @Spectre Bhais comments - 'small' doesn't mean micro-sized FPB's of 100+ ton size. Although we have over thirty plus types of FPB's in the Bangladesh Coast Guard itself varying in size from 50 to 250 tons.

The subject of this thread is a 650 ton LPC-M, which while not having a whole bunch of endurance, does not actually need it. It will stay and patrol fairly close to shore (within 50 or so miles). The newer BN ports and refueling points are all within less than a hundred miles of each other (Mongla, Paira, CTG, CXB). The role is coastal armed patrol and at a sufficiently fast-paced clip (say 40+ knots). The proper term is LPC-M or large patrol craft - missile. For its size the LPC-M still is well-armed with eight c-802's and plenty of firepower. It's sensor suite is also nothing to sneeze at.

Next step up in size is the 056 class boats being built by China for our Navy at around 1500+ tons and these are the LCS competitors. Although the LCS in USN use will grow a bit larger (say 2000 ton size).

Eventually I see a general consolidation of ship class in our NAVY (not the BCG which has various types of OPV's).

1. Smallest will be 500~650 tons LPC-M
2. Medium sized will be 1500 ton missile corvette
3. Large will be 2000~3500 ton class missile frigate (Bangabandhu class)
4. There will be auxiliary, Command and Control and other LCT type vessels as well.

The spread of numbers between these different size classes will depend on patrolling frequency and other strategic concerns.



Khalida Zia is gone brother - she is history. Ain't coming back.

Thank you for your explanation - informative to say the least.

The primary gap you have highlighted in IN is category one i.e. 500 -650 ton LPC class vessels. As you have explained such vessels offer dual advantages of speed/manoeuvrability which itself is a potent defence and in addition pack a lethal punch and information gathering prowess.

My question is - In what scenario would you see such vessels coming into use by IN as discussed we have Fast Patrol Vessels which are smaller, cheaper and sufficient for anti-piracy/smuggling and other duties normally associated with Coast Guards. Then we have larger vessels like Kora Class missile Corvette in 1350 ton range and various other larger corvettes. frigates and destroyers which would form a defensive ring around our coasts.

Surface Ships : Naval Fleet : Indian Navy

In scenarios where we have offensive operations being conducted on Indian shores by China or Pakistan then sht has already hit the fan with IN destroyed and if not then I think larger vessels would be well placed to intercept their ships before they come close enough to any harm.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think IN and ICG is inducting corvettes and fast patrol vessels at a good rate - correct me if I am wrong.

Indian Coast Guard Gets 15th Fast Patrol Vessel from Cochin Shipyard

That's what @Abingdonboy keeps telling me patiently.

Though India needs sub 1000 ton vessels, we cannot simply brush of the larger displacement LCS as they bring unique advantages into play such as:

1. Capability to incorporate power intensive systems such as cutting edge sensors, cruise missiles on board.
2. Greater survivability and less chances of critical mission impairing damage due to sole Direct Hits.
3. Area Denial

The most important advantage larger vessels bring into play are in my opinion - Power Projection and Political Statement in peace times. We can see China increasingly deploying it's frigates and destroyers on low threat piracy missions - Why is that?

My argument is that we can get around to competing with the Chinese once we have done what they did successfully in the last sixty years: secure their defences first. IMHO, our defences begin five miles inland, and end five miles offshore. It is this area that is totally unguarded throughout the entire Indian coastline. Please correct me if I am wrong, and we will continue.

Our sea boundaries are porous. anybody with a bad attitude can hijack an Indian fishing vessel, force the skipper to give the right answers to coast guard or naval vessels patrolling, slit his throat on reaching shore, and walk onto the strand.

It's been done before. The Pakistan Army has a blueprint ready for small scale infiltration. We have none, for halting this infiltration. It is a question of time before they take us up on it, because it is their cautious policy in the face of their troubles with religious extremists at the moment, compounded with their troubles with the insurrection in some borderlands.

Thank you for your explanation - informative to say the least.

The primary gap you have highlighted in IN is category one i.e. 500 -650 ton LPC class vessels. As you have explained such vessels offer dual advantages of speed/manoeuvrability which itself is a potent defence and in addition pack a lethal punch and information gathering prowess.

My question is - In what scenario would you see such vessels coming into use by IN as discussed we Fast Patrol Vessels which are cheaper and sufficient for anti-piracy/smuggling and other duties normally associated with Coast Guards. Then we have larger vessels like Kora Class missile Corvette in 1350 ton range and various other larger corvettes. frigates and destroyers which would form a defensive ring protective our coasts.

Surface Ships : Naval Fleet : Indian Navy

In scenarios where we have offensive operations being conducted on Indian shores by China or Pakistan then sht has already hit the fan/IN destroyed and if not then I think larger vessels would be well placed to intercept their ships before they come close enough to any harm.

Coming to this in a minute.

 

[Spectre]

Our sea boundaries are porous. anybody with a bad attitude can hijack an Indian fishing vessel, force the skipper to give the right answers to coast guard or naval vessels patrolling, slit his throat on reaching shore, and walk onto the strand.

It's been done before. The Pakistan Army has a blueprint ready for small scale infiltration. We have none, for halting this infiltration. It is a question of time before they take us up on it, because it is their cautious policy in the face of their troubles with religious extremists at the moment, compounded with their troubles with the insurrection in some borderlands.

I have no answer to this problem - except for tighter scrutiny and inspections at more frequent intervals which would come with more number of patrol vessels and more man power delegated to coastal security. Common sense dictates such fishing vessels used for infiltration would have minimum offensive capability hence we should focus more on numbers with vessels having the minimum offensive and defensive capabilities like may be a machine gun/boarding mechanism/water jets etc which would be sufficient if the in infiltrators are not co-operating?

Having advanced ships in 650 - ton range would only be a headache for such purpose because they would smaller in number and would have higher costs associated with maintenance and operations. @Bilal9

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have no answer to this problem - except for tighter scrutiny and inspections at more frequent intervals which would come with more number of patrol vessels and more man power delegated to coastal security. Common sense dictates such fishing vessels used for infiltration would have minimum offensive capability hence we should focus more on numbers with vessels having the minimum offensive and defensive capabilities like may be a machine gun/boarding mechanism/water jets etc which would be sufficient if the in infiltrators are not co-operating?

Having advance class ships in 650 - ton range would only be a headache for such purpose because they would smaller in number and would have higher costs associated with maintenance and operations. @Bilal9

That was not my solution. Back soon.

 

[Bilal9]

I have no answer to this problem - except for tighter scrutiny and inspections at more frequent intervals which would come with more number of patrol vessels and more man power delegated to coastal security. Common sense dictates such fishing vessels used for infiltration would have minimum offensive capability hence we should focus more on numbers with vessels having the minimum offensive and defensive capabilities like may be a machine gun/boarding mechanism/water jets etc which would be sufficient if the in infiltrators are not co-operating?

Having advanced ships in 650 - ton range would only be a headache for such purpose because they would smaller in number and would have higher costs associated with maintenance and operations. @Bilal9

Maintenance costs are not moderate for operating Navy vessels - even more so if complicated engines like water-jets are used. Ideal engine configuration is two water-jets to assist in sprinting with one/two prop-drives which help in slower cruise/patrol modes.

The range of the Durjoy class LPC-M is 2,500 nmi (4,600 km; 2,900 mi) and endurance is 15 days.

If needed, one Durjoy class LPC-M can start at Mongla (Western-most port in our country and patrol the entire length of our coastal stretch in seven days each way (all the way to the southern tip of Bangladesh - Teknaf) and then back again. Another LPC-M could start at the Southern Tip (Teknaf) at the same time and then move upward to Mongla and back again to Teknaf. This back/forth patrolling would be repeated over time and more LPC-M's could be added to ensure complete coverage of coastal patrols.

In the second map one can see the littoral sea with 5-50m depth. This is where the LPC's will patrol largely and be prepared to meet adversaries.

 

[Bilal9]

Further on topic - the Russian Buyan-M corvette (900 plus tonnes - a bit larger than the Durjoy class), has been in the news lately. Buyan-M class have VLS missile canisters amidships (see below - behind the main bulbous radar mast), having capability to carry eight of the KLUB 3M-54E land-attack Cruise Missiles (Russian equivalent of the US Tomahawk).

Buyan-M class corvette 'Grad Sviyazhsk' which participated in last week's attack on ISIS targets.​

Here are some news excerpts on how Buyan class corvettes based near Caspian Sea shores launched precision land attacks toward ISIL strongholds inside Syria. The KLUB missile cruises for most of its flight path but turns supersonic for the last few KM's before impact.

4 ships launched 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets. The missiles flew some 1,500 km before reaching their targets. This is quite a media coup for the Russian arms industry and caught International industry observers by surprise.

Google map of Missile Trajectory: Caspian Sea Strike

The missile attacks came from Russia’s fleet in the Caspian Sea, which borders Russia, Iran and three other littoral countries. The precision weapons hit all intended targets. The attacks required cooperation from Iran and Iraq, as the missiles had to travel through their airspace to reach Syria.

The Russian Defense Ministry said it had worked with its partners to plan the flight path so that the missiles traveled only over desolate areas and didn’t pose any danger to civilians.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1087197397957179

The point of this post is - should we be modifying *some* of the C13B's (or Durjoy class even) we are building locally with land attack capability and that too with cruise missiles?

Do these platforms possess that capability? Does Bangladesh need this capability per its military doctrine?

Answers from Bangladeshi/Pakistani posters only please (to avoid any flaming wars).

 

[Bilal9]

Another shot of the Buyan class at the Almaz shipyard. Some showing Russian water-jet drive units.

 

[bdslph]

Further on topic - the Russian Buyan-M corvette (900 plus tonnes - a bit larger than the Durjoy class), has been in the news lately. Buyan-M class have VLS missile canisters amidships (see below - behind the main bulbous radar mast), having capability to carry eight of the KLUB 3M-54E land-attack Cruise Missiles (Russian equivalent of the US Tomahawk).

Buyan-M class corvette 'Grad Sviyazhsk' which participated in last week's attack on ISIS targets.​

Here are some news excerpts on how Buyan class corvettes based near Caspian Sea shores launched precision land attacks toward ISIL strongholds inside Syria. The KLUB missile cruises for most of its flight path but turns supersonic for the last few KM's before impact.

4 ships launched 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets. The missiles flew some 1,500 km before reaching their targets. This is quite a media coup for the Russian arms industry and caught International industry observers by surprise.

Google map of Missile Trajectory: Caspian Sea Strike

The missile attacks came from Russia’s fleet in the Caspian Sea, which borders Russia, Iran and three other littoral countries. The precision weapons hit all intended targets. The attacks required cooperation from Iran and Iraq, as the missiles had to travel through their airspace to reach Syria.

The Russian Defense Ministry said it had worked with its partners to plan the flight path so that the missiles traveled only over desolate areas and didn’t pose any danger to civilians.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1087197397957179

The point of this post is - should we be modifying *some* of the C13B's (or Durjoy class even) we are building locally with land attack capability and that too with cruise missiles?

Do these platforms possess that capability? Does Bangladesh need this capability per its military doctrine?

Answers from Bangladeshi/Pakistani posters only please (to avoid any flaming wars).

Another shot of the Buyan class at the Almaz shipyard. Some showing Russian water-jet drive units.

i want bangladesh to buy this babies

 

[gslv mk3]

Is this a warship or a circus flotilla?

Ha ha Iajdani Bhai boiler thik aasey - cholbey. Indian Boiler, Russian boiler na .....<jk>

Its not the 44 year old ex US coast guard cutter BNS Somudra Joy.....

By the way,can Bangladesh make boilers & steam turbines ? 'A large majority of Bangladesh industrial capability is at par with where India is' ,isn't it ?

Are our top-tier yards capable of building a Kolkata class destroyer? Sure.

No they are not.

But what for? With the out-of-proportion expenditure on this piece of armament we could build hundreds of schools and educate our kids to build the foundation of our society. That way the money wouldn't be wasted at some politician's Swiss or Singapore bank account and would build an egalitarian, stable society with an able and educated workforce.
We should rather concentrate on feeding, clothing and housing our people first and give them a shot at a healthier, better future. If you watch our HR indicators of late - you'll see that we're more or less succeeding....

For a small country like Bangladesh,spending $ 800 million may seem to be out-of-proportion expenditure but not for us.And we spend 15 times more than you on education & healthcare.

Now shut up,will you ?

The Chinese carrier Liaoning (ex Russian Varyag) is more modern (next generation) and one-notch larger (65,000 tonnes) than the Indian Carrier Vikramaditya (refurbished Russian carrier Admiral Gorshkov, 45,000 tonnes)

There were issues with the boilers. Seven out of Eight of its boilers failed during trials. And they had to fix these leaks with Asbestos liners which is unheard of in this day and age.

I like how the following video serves up a bit of nationalism with a basic defense purchase, Hindutvabadis love munching on this stuff with their Aloo Pakora.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QFvoaq9RI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmc1qanxPI

Have you heard about any kind of problem with the boilers after commissioning ? Vikramaditya is already operational,and it looks like it has already set your rear on fire

And the last time I checked your entire fleet of frigates and corvettes are nothing else but decades old second hand ships - rust buckets...

Burn bong..burn

 

[Bilal9]

Don't answer the troll-baiter. Reported.

 

[gslv mk3]

Don't answer the troll-baiter. Reported.

Who started the troll war,you hypocrite ?

 

[ni8mare]

Don't answer the troll-baiter. Reported.

Thikie to boleche....no needed to bring india

 

[Nabil365]

Thikie to boleche....no needed to bring india

No one asked Indians to come here...