Bangladesh begins construction of two large warships

[Joe Shearer]

Did your local shakha meeting break off early?

We are considering harnessing Vedic Fusion energy powered by accelerated 'shloka' recitals - which is better than nuclear power.

LOL

 

[Dungeness]

Bangladesh begins construction of two large warships - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Bangladesh begins construction of two large warships
English.news.cn 2015-09-07 01:03:19

DHAKA, Sept. 6 (Xinhua)-- The construction work of two large patrol craft (LPC), the biggest warship construction project, began on Sunday in Bangladesh's western Khulna Shipyard.


Inaugurating the project, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina laid the keel of the two patrol craft and expressed her confidece that Khulna Shipyard would be capable of exporting developed and modern warships in future.

"Khulna Shipyard is now constructing and repairing big and small quality warships for Bangladesh Navy along with building large and medium oceangoing ships. I believe that it would be able to attain the ability of exporting developed and modern battle ships in future," she said.

Bangladesh has started utilizing the golden opportunity to tap the growing demand of constructing ships in global market as many countries are now showing their interest in Khulna Shipyard and communicating with it, the prime minister added.

Chief of Naval Staff and Chairman of Board of Directors of Khulna Shipyard Vice-Admiral Farid Habib and Managing Director of Khulna Shipyard Commodore M Khurshid Malik were present at the ceremony.

Thousand mile long journey, starts at the first step. Congratulations to Bangladesh friends on your new progress!

 

[Bilal9]

You must be kidding me mate, this is Bangladesh DEFENSE section!!!

Yes it is. And we're looking at all prototypes from all countries and comparing merits/demerits, thank you....

Thousand mile long journey, starts at the first step. Congratulations to Bangladesh friends on your new progress!

Why Thank You brother.

Your sentiment is gratefully appreciated.

 

[ni8mare]

Considering that at least the hull of the follow on class (P17) succeeding this destroyer is going to be built at an inefficient British colonial-era facility with antiquated production techniques (Garden Reach Shipyard, Calcutta), our yards are way more modern and could easily do it and in a much shorter schedule. Most Kolkata class boats were built at Mazagaon Docks in Bombay and this is the largest ships they had built so far (7400 tonnes).

you need to update yourself a bit ....GRSE has gone and still going through modernisation

this is going one

http://www.ramboll.com/projects/ruk/garden reach shipyard modernisation

We are considering harnessing Vedic Fusion energy powered by accelerated 'shloka' recitals - which is better than nuclear power.

what the problem?...........bring religion ..dose any one talking about quran and it verses..

 

[HariPrasad]

Very good. This is a good job by BD.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The two DEW designs (closely related except for armament fit) are based on the Damen Stan 4200 patrol vessel design - a successful patrol boat design adopted by many smaller navies. 4200 means 42 meters long. There are other variations on this modern design based on the 'Sea Axe' design. I have researched this well and as you can tell - its a personal favorite for small coast guard or Naval fast patrol boat designs.

Here's an example for the Honduran Navy ordered directly from Damen in Holland (expensive). Local licensed builds are proceeding in many parts of the world - including of course Bangladesh. Keels for these were laid by SHW a month ago in a ceremony at DEW.

For high sea intercepts regarding drug interdiction, fishery patrols and anything else where you need more than an unarmed coast guard vessel these are perfect. Here's a video on the Armidale class (Australian version of this boat).

Here's a video on Damen Shipyards in the Netherlands - in my opinion one of world's finest (if not the finest) shipyards specializing in modern small to upper-medium sized Naval and Civilian ship designs. The Indonesian Navy's ships up to and including large Frigates are all built to their designs.

We have utilized their licensed designs in Bangladesh in the past and should continue to do so.

Very impressive.

And just what we need in India to serve as an in-shore force which stops raiding parties from accessing our very large coast-line.

^^^ OK enough fruitless talk.

None of you geniuses have the strategic answer I was looking for.

If the Chinese and US Navies are building littoral class ships then either the IN is backward or has the wrong priorities. Which actually wouldn't surprise me.

'Vikhari-maditya' broke down three times during its re-build-trials and almost couldn't make it back to India because seven of its eight boilers failed. I'm surprised this rust bucket could get fixed and still floats. The Russians milked your stingy asses good and kudos to them.

I hope Viraat (or whatever you're calling it this week) has better boilers. Scaring us with a carrier is not going to go far. It's a sitting duck for a bunch of sea-skimming ALCMs. Make sure you keep it 300 miles away....

Next!

Could you please go a little easy?

You are talking to those who think bigger is better, in all cases, in all sizes and shapes. Mercy.

True but the idea of this thread was to demonstrate how multiple smaller corvettes and FPB's built in Bangladesh can (with addition of sophisticated sensor suites and missile armament) score victories against larger vessels.

Larger ships like frigates need sensors and radar because they are larger targets. A 500~700 ton boat is hard to target because of smaller size alone. The Pakistani Azmat class and Russian Buyan class (with VLS) are ample examples of this in a littoral scenario which will accompany the larger F-22P Zulfiquar-class, Steregushchyi and Sigma class Frigates/Corvettes. Smaller ships if properly equipped can deliver quite a bit of punch in smaller skirmishes which they are designed for.

And sensors and radar are not exclusive to larger ships anymore. The Buyan class has phased array radar to start with a full suite of sensors.

• Radar: MR-352 Pozitiv-M1.2 phased array radar system (Pozitiv-ME1.2 for export)[3]
• Fire Control: 5P-10-03 Laska (5P-10-03E for export)[3]
• Sonar: Anapa-M suite (Anapa-ME for export)[3]
• Navigational Radar: MR-231 Pal[3]
• Other: 1 x electro-optical surveillance device

Plus smaller ships around 500~700 tons can boast speed as a defensive mechanism itself. If equipped with powerful waterjets - having more than 40 knots of speed is considered a defensive feature by itself provided a couple of CIWS can protect the back from air-launched or ship-launched missiles.

In the US - they are planning follow-ons to smaller cyclone class vessels of about 700 tons (I posted a few posts back).

Most future wars are going to be shorter skirmishes and engagements in the littoral (shallow) seas, not in blue-water high-sea scenario. The US and China get this and are getting prepared, the rest of the navies have not caught up on this yet.

If you look carefully, the Chinese had 'got this' first, decades before the US.

Thanks for your response. A lightly armed and slow ship at the 2400 ton displacement level doesn't really lend itself well to littoral combat. CBG ships will not find it convenient to operate in littoral (continental shelf shallow) seas - because of their draft. And smaller ships shown below will usually move at 40 knots which is an advantage over larger ships moving at say 25 knots.

That's the point I was making.

For littoral naval combat use and coastal defense, I had the following LPC ships in mind (~64m length),

• Pakistani PNS Azmat class (~550 tons) FAC-M

• Bangladesh BNS Durjoy class (650 tons) LPC-M

Baynunah Class (Built by Abu Dhabi Shipbuilding under license from CMN or Constructions Mécaniques de Normandie) - 900 tons

To my knowledge - there is no equivalent like these now in the Indian Navy.

In essence you have a point, but you have overlooked something.

 

[HariPrasad]

BD has a fair chance of emerging as a premier manufacturing destination. Keep it up.

 

[Bilal9]

Very impressive.

And just what we need in India to serve as an in-shore force which stops raiding parties from accessing our very large coast-line.

Yes agreed. I think In-shore patrol is a gap in the IN which cannot be fully dropped on the laps of the Indian Coast Guard and then be called a day....

Could you please go a little easy?

You are talking to those who think bigger is better, in all cases, in all sizes and shapes. Mercy.

Understood Sir. Had a little too much espresso....

I have to learn to be more forgiving - the world and its inhabitants aren't perfect. Neither am I......

If you look carefully, the Chinese had 'got this' first, decades before the US.

True. The LCS boats (first USN attempts at littoral boats) were still false starts even after they 'got it'. The USN is again doing another F-35 type fiasco with the LCS-1 and LCS-2 boats. Too expensive, too complicated, too many features. Modular armament and multi-mission scenario is a dud IMHO. The only saving grace is that the boats go like hell for a ship this size. State of the art turned out to be a 'state of nothing'.

Now for the second iteration, they're finally changing the design to use the low-cost hull of the USCG medium-endurance cutter (image below), which in my opinion is way more practical. Of course the superstructure and armament placement will be completely different - per the more offensive role.

 

[HariPrasad]

Do not forget to give credit to your PM Hasina. Had that lady Khalida zia been their, BD would not have progressed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes agreed. I think In-shore patrol is a gap in the IN which cannot be fully dropped on the laps of the Indian Coast Guard and then be called a day....

I have been screaming myself hoarse about this on other threads. People who want light cruisers and battleships (! - please trust me, they do) don't want to bother about corvettes, and sloops and cutters, and about littoral combat. Of course, there is a context; for many of these fan-boys, a coast is a coast is a coast; it is a line on a map. A Bangladeshi like you looks on a coast as a separate fighting environment and has a sensitivity to locale which is simply not available as an after-market bolt-on.

Understood Sir. Had a little too much espresso....

I have to learn to be more forgiving - the world and its inhabitants aren't perfect. Neither am I......

Boy, is this a joke? The mods are constantly on me to be nicer to newbies coming up and talking shit. Take it easy, champ, you are making PERFECT sense, and no point in losing your cool at the hyped up kids who come on board.

I am sorry, I didn't notice this fascinating thread earlier. But I also hope I'm not intruding.

 

[Spectre]

I have been screaming myself hoarse about this on other threads. People who want light cruisers and battleships (! - please trust me, they do) don't want to bother about corvettes, and sloops and cutters, and about littoral combat. Of course, there is a context; for many of these fan-boys, a coast is a coast is a coast; it is a line on a map. A Bangladeshi like you looks on a coast as a separate fighting environment and has a sensitivity to locale which is simply not available as an after-market bolt-on.

I think IN and ICG is inducting corvettes and fast patrol vessels at a good rate - correct me if I am wrong.

Indian Coast Guard Gets 15th Fast Patrol Vessel from Cochin Shipyard

Though India needs sub 1000 ton vessels, we cannot simply brush of the larger displacement LCS as they bring unique advantages into play such as:

1. Capability to incorporate power intensive systems such as cutting edge sensors, cruise missiles on board.
2. Greater survivability and less chances of critical mission impairing damage due to sole Direct Hits.
3. Area Denial

The most important advantage larger vessels bring into play are in my opinion - Power Projection and Political Statement in peace times. We can see China increasingly deploying it's frigates and destroyers on low threat piracy missions - Why is that?

 

[Bilal9]

Do not forget to give credit to your PM Hasina. Had that lady Khalida zia been their, BD would not have progressed.

Khalida/Hasina cannot take credit. Whatever progress was made was done by the private sector and the NGO's. End of story.

All these two ladies have done is pull out each other's hair (hartal, bandhs, disruptions) and steal massive amounts of money.

 

[HariPrasad]

Khalida/Hasina cannot take credit. Whatever progress was made was done by the private sector and the NGO's. End of story.

All these two ladies have done is pull out each other's hair (hartal, bandhs, disruptions) and steal massive amounts of money.

No, no progress is possible without a stable government with proper development vision. So give the credit where ever it is due.

Incase Khalida Zia comes in, you will witness the difference.

 

[Bilal9]

Boy, is this a joke? The mods are constantly on me to be nicer to newbies coming up and talking shit. Take it easy, champ, you are making PERFECT sense, and no point in losing your cool at the hyped up kids who come on board.

I am sorry, I didn't notice this fascinating thread earlier. But I also hope I'm not intruding.

Yeah I keep forgetting some of the newer nationalistic commenters are barely sporting moustaches - heh heh

By all means feel free to participate - the more the merrier.....

Regarding @Spectre Bhais comments - 'small' doesn't mean micro-sized FPB's of 100+ ton size. Although we have over thirty plus types of FPB's in the Bangladesh Coast Guard itself varying in size from 50 to 250 tons.

The subject of this thread is a 650 ton LPC-M, which while not having a whole bunch of endurance, does not actually need it. It will stay and patrol fairly close to shore (within 50 or so miles). The newer BN ports and refueling points are all within less than a hundred miles of each other (Mongla, Paira, CTG, CXB). The role is coastal armed patrol and at a sufficiently fast-paced clip (say 40+ knots). The proper term is LPC-M or large patrol craft - missile. For its size the LPC-M still is well-armed with eight c-802's and plenty of firepower. It's sensor suite is also nothing to sneeze at.

Next step up in size is the 056 class boats being built by China for our Navy at around 1500+ tons and these are the LCS competitors. Although the LCS in USN use will grow a bit larger (say 2000 ton size).

Eventually I see a general consolidation of ship class in our NAVY (not the BCG which has various types of OPV's).

1. Smallest will be 500~650 tons LPC-M
2. Medium sized will be 1500 ton missile corvette
3. Large will be 2000~3500 ton class missile frigate (Bangabandhu class)
4. There will be auxiliary, Command and Control and other LCT type vessels as well.

The spread of numbers between these different size classes will depend on patrolling frequency and other strategic concerns.

No, no progress is possible without a stable government with proper development vision. So give the credit where ever it is due.

Incase Khalida Zia comes in, you will witness the difference.

Khalida Zia is gone brother - she is history. Ain't coming back.

 

[BDforever]

The mods are constantly on me to be nicer to newbies coming up and talking shit.

and me be like