Bangladesh Air Force

[UKBengali]

@Michael Corleone

I am being generous to the savages with the SU-30s being as capable as the fighters BD will be deploying soon. Even then they have only 6 and BD will have 2-3 squadrons by 2021. Both their Mig-29s and JF-17s will be swotted out of the sky by BAF.
I disagree that AL had other priorities and could not have procured a single squadron of modern fighters by 2017. They found 4 billion US dollars for Padma Bridge and 1 billion dollars should have been made available to BAF to get 1 squadron of 4th gen fighters by last year or even earlier. AL should have foreseen what the savages next door could do to Rohingyas after what happened in 2012 and 2016.

 

[Michael Corleone]

@Michael Corleone

I am being generous to the savages with the SU-30s being as capable as the fighters BD will be deploying soon. Even then they have only 6 and BD will have 2-3 squadrons by 2021. Both their Mig-29s and JF-17s will be swotted out of the sky by BAF.
I disagree that AL had other priorities and could not have procured a single squadron of modern fighters by 2017. They found 4 billion US dollars for Padma Bridge and 1 billion dollars should have been made available to BAF to get 1 squadron of 4th gen fighters by last year or even earlier. AL should have foreseen what the savages next door could do to Rohingyas after what happened in 2012 and 2016.

3 billion dollar defense budget is still not enough for fast results. And with every passing days, the forces goals seems to fail for BAF

 

[UKBengali]

3 billion dollar defense budget is still not enough for fast results. And with every passing days, the forces goals seems to fail for BAF

Actually it is around 4 billion US dollars as arms imports are financed separately.

Whichever way you look at it, AL cannot give an adequate explanation as to why they have not brought a single 4th generation fighter since 2009.

No logical explanation has been given as to why 150 million US dollars was wasted buying 16 F-7BGIs in 2011 when the money could have modernised the 8 Mig-29s in the fleet. Even if BAF had only these 8 Mig-29s with new radars and missiles they could have presented a real threat to the 32 or so old Mig-29s of the MAF last year during the Rohingya exodus. Too much of BD scarce resources are being wasted it seems.

If the leadership of BAF are not capable of delivering then AL should have replaced them.

BD air-space now cannot be defended from either neighbour with an economy of nearly 300 billion US dollars growing at 8% a year. Something is seriously wrong!!!!

 

[mb444]

You shouldn't talk about that. You are also preaching BAF's destruction here. You think a AD network handled by BA and BN and offensive missiles are enough to counter the threat?? NO!! Fighters and BAF still matter, always will. No matter how small, weak and inferior they are compared to enemy AF they can still deter the enemy. All three forces complement each other, always will. Asking for disbanding the AF means cutting off your hand. when your opponent possesses full strength (AD, missile, AF).

You misunderstood a few things. I do not seek BAF destruction for the sake off it. I want BAF rebadged and started over because as an organisation it has failed and it is beyond redemption. It’s management is poor because it failed amoungst many things to emphasise the value of the Air Force to the politicians. It is beyond hope.

In an war event BAF in its current state will be decimated in a few hours probably on the ground before it is able to get any of the birds into the skies. That is it’s state, we are not just numarically poor compared to our enemies but also qualitatively poor. This situation needs to be faced before it can be turned around.

Regarding missile force as an alternative to an airforce is not ideal but look at what Iran has been able to achieve so my suggestion is not without precedence. It is merely a short term suggestion and given where we are now it would be an improvement.

BD needs an effective airforce, it currently does not have one. We need to lift morale of a totally demoralised organisation and rebranding will go a long way in doing that. In that journey by co opting BN and BA management We introduce efficient and effective leadership and increase interoperability for the future three services.

 

[Avicenna]

Actually it is around 4 billion US dollars as arms imports are financed separately.

Whichever way you look at it, AL cannot give an adequate explanation as to why they have not brought a single 4th generation fighter since 2009.

No logical explanation has been given as to why 150 million US dollars was wasted buying 16 F-7BGIs in 2011 when the money could have modernised the 8 Mig-29s in the fleet. Even if BAF had only these 8 Mig-29s with new radars and missiles they could have presented a real threat to the 32 or so old Mig-29s of the MAF last year during the Rohingya exodus. Too much of BD scarce resources are being wasted it seems.

If the leadership of BAF are not capable of delivering then AL should have replaced them.

BD air-space now cannot be defended from either neighbour with an economy of nearly 300 billion US dollars growing at 8% a year. Something is seriously wrong!!!!

I actually happen to think the -BGI purchase wasnt a bad idea.

For 150 million? Lotta bang for the buck. If for nothing else than keeping your airmen up in the air.

 

[UKBengali]

I actually happen to think the -BGI purchase wasnt a bad idea.

For 150 million? Lotta bang for the buck. If for nothing else than keeping your airmen up in the air.

Official reason given was "stop-gap" back in 2011 when 16 were ordered for 150 million US dollars.

I can tell you that was enough money to buy 8 more Mig-29s in those days and then some of the money spent buying trainers could have been used to upgrade the 8 Mig-29s that were ordered back in 1999. 16 modernised Mig-29s would have been sufficient to take on the savages airforce last year.

It is a tale of complete and utter sheer strategic ineptitude on the part of BAF and AL government that BD was not ready to face the savages in 2017, when they pushed 700,000 more(in addition to 300,000 already in BD) Rohingya into BD, labelling them as BD'shis.

You know something, I kind of wish that the savages sent their Mig-29s to go and bomb Dhaka as that seems like the only thing that would drill some sense into the idiots and cowards that pervade BD society.

 

[Destranator]

Stop-gap measure alright but the cost outweighs the benefits in the long run.
The F-7BGIs will be occupying a squadron for 20+ years which could have been spared for modern fighters.

Regardless of what certain FB warriors propagate to defend BAF, the fact of the matter is BAF's fighter squadron allocation is unlikely to exceed 5-6 squadrons before 2030.

Had BAF not inducted the 32 x BG/BGIs we could have phased out all the trash by 2020 and fully embraced next generation fighter tech.

 

[ghost250]

Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Masihuzzaman Serniabat, BBP, OSP, ndu, psc has assumed the Command of Bangladesh Air Force B.A.F on 12 June 2018. The Air Marshal is well known for his passion for flying and remained an active flyer throughout his carrier. Upon assumption of Command, he reiterated his eagerness to fly and leads from the front for invigorating BAF personnel. On 20 June 2018, he flew Chengdu FT-7 BG fighter aircraft and flew Chengdu F-7 BG (solo) on 21 June 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[muhammadali233]

@Michael Corleone

I am being generous to the savages with the SU-30s being as capable as the fighters BD will be deploying soon. Even then they have only 6 and BD will have 2-3 squadrons by 2021. Both their Mig-29s and JF-17s will be swotted out of the sky by BAF.

you are a funny guy

 

[Bilal9]

What we

You misunderstood a few things. I do not seek BAF destruction for the sake off it. I want BAF rebadged and started over because as an organisation it has failed and it is beyond redemption. It’s management is poor because it failed amoungst many things to emphasise the value of the Air Force to the politicians. It is beyond hope.

In an war event BAF in its current state will be decimated in a few hours probably on the ground before it is able to get any of the birds into the skies. That is it’s state, we are not just numarically poor compared to our enemies but also qualitatively poor. This situation needs to be faced before it can be turned around.

Regarding missile force as an alternative to an airforce is not ideal but look at what Iran has been able to achieve so my suggestion is not without precedence. It is merely a short term suggestion and given where we are now it would be an improvement.

BD needs an effective airforce, it currently does not have one. We need to lift morale of a totally demoralised organisation and rebranding will go a long way in doing that. In that journey by co opting BN and BA management We introduce efficient and effective leadership and increase interoperability for the future three services.

I see people doing everything except call out the real issue.

At the risk of stating the nearly obvious - what we may be discounting and/or under-estimating is the amount of 'foreign' interference in building an effective deterrent in the form of air superiority.

Interference from India against BAF purchases come in all forms, but most markedly in building offensive air cover. You can cover Bangladesh in defensive missile cover - short or medium range, fine. But try Long Range Missile cover beyond GMLRS (say around 300 KM limit), and see how far you can get with that.

Same with fighters. Light fighter and trainer jets like F-7BGI and Yak-130 are one thing, but try a 'proper' medium payload fighter like the Su-30SM and see how far you get. The answer is 'nowhere', as seen in the last decade.

The multirole Su-30SM in Bangladesh scenario could be deployed in counter-air strikes, counter-land and counter-sea missions. It could conduct electronic counter-countermeasures and early warning tasks to assist tank forces. The aircraft can also act as a command-and-control platform within a fleet of combat aircraft performing joint missions, although this may be too exotic for BAF at this point.

Su-30SM type aircraft can carry a hefty payload and has excellent range to carry the fight deep inside savage territory to attack strategic or command/control assets that cannot be reachable by GMLRS. Moreover, Su-30SM offers the flexibility to carry out air-to-air, air-to-sea level and air-to-ground mission because it doesn’t need a separate fighter escort. The aircraft has a second crew-member helpful for complex missions.

Xiaolong FC-1 Block 3 may be ready soon or more expensive J-10B too (and these are great to field in numbers in border airfields as deterrents) - but these aren't Su-30SM level birds which we sorely need.

But the basic fact is that as long as the air-force does not get approval to buy Su-30SM type birds, we only have cheap talk being bandied about. It is not BAF brass' fault to convince the country's leadership when the leadership itself is beholden to India's whims.

We may be calling the BAF brass names for nothing. The problem is who is sitting on the PM's seat.

If Hasina is India's biggest stooge (and weapon) then she will shoot down anything India does not approve of.

 

[mb444]

What we


I see people doing everything except call out the real issue.

At the risk of stating the nearly obvious - what we may be discounting and/or under-estimating is the amount of 'foreign' interference in building an effective deterrent in the form of air superiority.

Interference from India against BAF purchases come in all forms, but most markedly in building offensive air cover. You can cover Bangladesh in defensive missile cover - short or medium range, fine. But try Long Range Missile cover beyond GMLRS (say around 300 KM limit), and see how far you can get with that.

Same with fighters. Light fighter and trainer jets like F-7BGI and Yak-130 are one thing, but try a 'proper' medium payload fighter like the Su-30SM and see how far you get. The answer is 'nowhere', as seen in the last decade.

The multirole Su-30SM in Bangladesh scenario could be deployed in counter-air strikes, counter-land and counter-sea missions. It could conduct electronic counter-countermeasures and early warning tasks to assist tank forces. The aircraft can also act as a command-and-control platform within a fleet of combat aircraft performing joint missions, although this may be too exotic for BAF at this point.

Su-30SM type aircraft can carry a hefty payload and has excellent range to carry the fight deep inside savage territory to attack strategic or command/control assets that cannot be reachable by GMLRS. Moreover, Su-30SM offers the flexibility to carry out air-to-air, air-to-sea level and air-to-ground mission because it doesn’t need a separate fighter escort. The aircraft has a second crew-member helpful for complex missions.

Xiaolong FC-1 Block 3 may be ready soon or more expensive J-10B too (and these are great to field in numbers in border airfields as deterrents) - but these aren't Su-30SM level birds which we sorely need.

But the basic fact is that as long as the air-force does not get approval to buy Su-30SM type birds, we only have cheap talk being bandied about. It is not BAF brass' fault to convince the country's leadership when the leadership itself is beholden to India's whims.

We may be calling the BAF brass names for nothing. The problem is who is sitting on the PM's seat.

If Hasina is India's biggest stooge (and weapon) then she will shoot down anything India does not approve of.

Every airforce in the world will face opposition from neighbouring countries when it seeks to enhance capabilities. This is the same for BA and BN.

What you are saying is not an unique scenario to BAF. It’s failures are it’s own, let us not try to find external reasons why BAF failed, it failed because it is lead by morons who since inception has not even managed to develop an operational doctrine.

 

[TopCat]

Every airforce in the world will face opposition from neighbouring countries when it seeks to enhance capabilities. This is the same for BA and BN.

What you are saying is not an unique scenario to BAF. It’s failures are it’s own, let us not try to find external reasons why BAF failed, it failed because it is lead by morons who since inception has not even managed to develop an operational doctrine.

We should go for typhoon and j-10. Avoid Russian craft once and for all.

 

[LKJ86]

Avoid Russian craft once and for all.

Why???

 

[Bilal9]

Why???

At this time - Russian aircraft are not 'perceived' to be any less expensive than European made aircraft (especially in the way Russians are wheeling and dealing - using leverage in negative ways). European equipment comes with certain inherent benefits such as much better parts support, lower MTBF and interim overhaul periods, and a much better chance of ToT and component manufacture which we should demand from expensive defense purchases.

Bangladesh focus for purchases has also changed. We are not looking for the cheapest of the cheap (lowest bidder) anymore for defense, focus on defense purchases is more quality driven and longer focused now - also because purchasing committee members are more experienced and informed on defense priorities compared to past decades. They understand that cheap defense products are actually more expensive in the long run.

 

[UKBengali]

What we


I see people doing everything except call out the real issue.

At the risk of stating the nearly obvious - what we may be discounting and/or under-estimating is the amount of 'foreign' interference in building an effective deterrent in the form of air superiority.

Interference from India against BAF purchases come in all forms, but most markedly in building offensive air cover. You can cover Bangladesh in defensive missile cover - short or medium range, fine. But try Long Range Missile cover beyond GMLRS (say around 300 KM limit), and see how far you can get with that.

Same with fighters. Light fighter and trainer jets like F-7BGI and Yak-130 are one thing, but try a 'proper' medium payload fighter like the Su-30SM and see how far you get. The answer is 'nowhere', as seen in the last decade.

The multirole Su-30SM in Bangladesh scenario could be deployed in counter-air strikes, counter-land and counter-sea missions. It could conduct electronic counter-countermeasures and early warning tasks to assist tank forces. The aircraft can also act as a command-and-control platform within a fleet of combat aircraft performing joint missions, although this may be too exotic for BAF at this point.

Su-30SM type aircraft can carry a hefty payload and has excellent range to carry the fight deep inside savage territory to attack strategic or command/control assets that cannot be reachable by GMLRS. Moreover, Su-30SM offers the flexibility to carry out air-to-air, air-to-sea level and air-to-ground mission because it doesn’t need a separate fighter escort. The aircraft has a second crew-member helpful for complex missions.

Xiaolong FC-1 Block 3 may be ready soon or more expensive J-10B too (and these are great to field in numbers in border airfields as deterrents) - but these aren't Su-30SM level birds which we sorely need.

But the basic fact is that as long as the air-force does not get approval to buy Su-30SM type birds, we only have cheap talk being bandied about. It is not BAF brass' fault to convince the country's leadership when the leadership itself is beholden to India's whims.

We may be calling the BAF brass names for nothing. The problem is who is sitting on the PM's seat.

If Hasina is India's biggest stooge (and weapon) then she will shoot down anything India does not approve of.

I think there is a danger of seeing the Hinduvtas as having a hand in everything in BD.

If India was so influential, BD would never have brought submarines as believe me those modernised Mings are a serious danger to Indian Navy near BD shores. Also BN has announced the program for 6 cutting-edge frigates and those will pose a serious threat to both IN and IAF with their long-range missile systems.

The fault is not entirely BAF's as AL should have changed the leadership if the BAF was not being led properly. If both BA and BN are implementing structured plans to modernise, then so can BAF.