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Oh yeah what do you suggest then?? Start a war?? And destroy the economy and bring more suffering?? And for your kind info that rig incident was handled by our diplomats and military properly. After that govt settled the maritime dispute. That's what started Navy's (and other forces) modernization under FG30. What?? You didn't google these??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bangladesh–Myanmar_naval_standoff

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwipvZ6z3K_cAhXQXisKHc6-AUMQFggnMAA&url=https://www.facebook.com/BD.Defence/photos/inside-story-of-naf-war/594767597275445/&usg=AOvVaw0Lp6f9wbVGpLRldDFGxTcK



With what?? Their Mig-29s are only for air superiority role. And their AD doesn't matter unless we don't invade their airspace. Just because they outnumber us in aircraft doesn't mean our fighter can't fight with them. And i hardly believe that they have enough ammo to launch an air assault against us. Not a single photo of their Mig with full armament is available on the internet. And what's this have anything to do with that lab?? That's a good initiative to become self-dependent and gather knowledge for our students. Stop saying BS.



BS logic.



Because they don't want anything like the previous Mig scandal. Besides China,Russia and other countries political support also matters here.



actually @mb444 sounds more like Al Beruni.
You people likes to live in lala land..
Mr. plensky have valid points. Our politicians never understand the meaning sovereignty. British took over entire Arakan and later Burma only because those savages killed one of the British officer in Coxs Bazar. How many time we needed to get raped before we can say lubricant needed.
 
Oh come on, Raihan bhai.

I recognised you by the pattern of your written English in different forums.

As I said, I agree with a lot of what you have to say about modernisation of our air force.

I am glad that Dhaka Tribune chose to publish your articles as there needs to more public dialogue on defence matters.

Poor support from China and Russia in regards to the Rohigya has to an extent swung public opinion in favour of defence spending.

Bengalis always love to make things personal.

His identity doesn't matter. Personally, i don't think he is Bengali.

What he is saying however is extremely valid whether some here like it or not.
 
After election i think BAF will disclose minimum two tender about which country will supply MRCA. BN will also disclose submarine deal. Before election govt. do not want to frightened India.

What are you basing this on?

Why would india be bothered about Hasina given she is only in power with Indian support overriding BD democracy.

What do you think will happen india will just switch support to BNP!!!! India has put all its basket in BAL basket.

BAL is subservient to India, expect no deal even if there was any will in BAF due to lack of competence.
 
You come up with as many excuses as you like but culpability lies with BAF.

If BD does not have money why bother with floating a tender? Why create a single source tender only to have it fail, what prework was done beforehand. Where does the blame lies.

You probably do not have experience of tendering process so you are making such statements. It’s ok, but let me tell you who does work in this area that a tender only goes out following extensive preparatory work where you examine the market, you examine potential bidders, you assess your own power dynamics vis-a-vis potential sellers etc.

A failed tender comes down to the purchasing company never the sellers. Don’t believe me please go canvass any procurement specialist.

Stop perpetuating excuse for BAF failures to nonsense such as there is going to be delay because of upcoming sham election. Why should this matter, BD is not a democracy with an effective opposition so that political “purdah” comes into effect prior to election. Anyhow military purchases if transparent should be above political calculus.

Disbanding BAF will have great advantage. The resources could be diverted to effective organisation such as BN and BA.

Currently BAF is a force that will fail at every level to defend our skies. Would you disagree with this basic statement?

If you accept that BAF is a failed organisation then it comes down to what to do with it. I propose starting over as it is rotten to the core and it can not be reformed.

At some point you need to cut your losses and face reality. An ineffective Air Force is not in BDs interest, we need to defend our skies and BAF can’t do it as demonstrated during the rohingya debacle. Holding on to this white elephant fundamentally degrades our security.

We need to look to the future and be honest with ourselves. We need to innovatively maximise our defense capacity within our means and in response to our enemies. We are in a situation I believe where we actually do not have an airforce.

It’s a terrible reality but without acceptance of this we can not move forward.

Having accepted this we need to set goals. First denial of our air space via multilayered missile capabilities. Who is best to direct such an initiative, I would say BA.

Second objective extension of missile capacity beyond our borders to restrict operational freedom of the enemy. Again army or a new missile focused defense arm with clear doctrine is necessary.

Third objective develop an effective offensive airforce. look at options and develop as best as possible as quickly as possible with a rebranding and a new purpose that dumps BAF and it’s legacy of utter failure since inception.

BAF leadership is certainly poor compared to BA and BN.
Even with the meagre resources at their disposal they should have been at least able to do more.

MRSAM and the 6 frigates will start coming into service in the early 2020s and that should provide enough air protection against the savages at least at last.

While a lot of people have lost all hope in BAF, I think we shall see some concrete deals announced for modern fighter aircraft next year. AL for some unknown reason cares about what the Hinduvtas think just before an election.

What are you basing this on?

Why would india be bothered about Hasina given she is only in power with Indian support overriding BD democracy.

What do you think will happen india will just switch support to BNP!!!! India has put all its basket in BAL basket.

BAL is subservient to India, expect no deal even if there was any will in BAF due to lack of competence.

Actually India would prefer BNP to win this time.
All they care about is a weak BD to take advantage of.

Remember it was AL in the late 1990s that ordered 16 + 16 Mig-29s and BNP in the early
2000s that cancelled the order after only 8 were received.
 
BAF leadership is certainly poor compared to BA and BN.
Even with the meagre resources at their disposal they should have been at least able to do more.

MRSAM and the 6 frigates will start coming into service in the early 2020s and that should provide enough air protection against the savages at least at last.

While a lot of people have lost all hope in BAF, I think we shall see some concrete deals announced for modern fighter aircraft next year. AL for some unknown reason cares about what the Hinduvtas think just before an election.



Actually India would prefer BNP to win this time.
All they care about is a weak BD to take advantage of.

Remember it was AL in the late 1990s that ordered 16 + 16 Mig-29s and BNP in the early
2000s that cancelled the order after only 8 were received.


For all of BNPs chest thumping nationalism post Zia it is a party that has caused serious damage to BDs security apparatus. For them a weak military was desirable for internal reason.

Pox on both BAL and BNP. National defense should be above such petty consideration.

I hope you are correct regarding BAF but I just can not see it to be honest. Expect more lame trainers and an aerobatics team.
 
For all of BNPs chest thumping nationalism post Zia it is a party that has caused serious damage to BDs security apparatus. For them a weak military was desirable for internal reason.

Pox on both BAL and BNP. National defense should be above such petty consideration.

I hope you are correct regarding BAF but I just can not see it to be honest. Expect more lame trainers and an aerobatics team.

BAF will have 2-3 squadrons of modern fighters aircraft by 2021 for sure. Money is there for this procurement. These will be far superior to anything the savages have bar the SU-30 SME they are buying.
With the ongoing Army and Naval buildup, BD military will have comprehensive superiority by the 50th birthday of BD in 2021.
My only concern is that BD society is full of cowards, some of whom are in influential positions, who may not unleash the military at the savages.
 
BAF will have 2-3 squadrons of modern fighters aircraft by 2021 for sure. Money is there for this procurement. These will be far superior to anything the savages have bar the SU-30 SME they are buying.
With the ongoing Army and Naval buildup, BD military will have comprehensive superiority by the 50th birthday of BD in 2021.
My only concern is that BD society is full of cowards, some of whom are in influential positions, who may not unleash the military at the savages.

Yea I’m gonna have to agree with the last sentence.

This is ultimately the main problem.
 
Decades of BAF inaction has left a gaping whole in our aerial defence capabilities which will take decades to recover from even if BAF goes all-in today.

It takes years to develop the right aircraft management system and competence. As an organisation BAF has never been exposed to the challenges of maintaining dozens of highly sophisticated aircraft.

Even if BAF is gifted 3 squadrons of Su-35s tomorrow for free, they will struggle to make them fully operational for years.

In my opinion, the only way to keep BAF on its toes at all times would be through formation of a proper Joint Chief of Staff's Committee consisting of multiple permanent 3-4 star general rank posts. The current Armed Forces Division can be transformed into one.

The purpose of this committee would be, among other things, to prioritise essential procurement for the three services. Currently, due to lack of accountability and coordination, the army is unnecessarily expanding manpower like crazy (3 divisions formed in 3 years) while the air force has zero aircraft with proper BVR or air-to-ground precision strike capabilities.

The army itself lacks sufficient bulletproof jackets (you can see troops ofte geared up without BPJs), modern comms equipment, guided artillery, etc. and yet they are creating new units which would slow down troop-level modernisation even further.

In times of conflict, I believe the enemy would first resort to artillery shelling followed by aerial bombardment. Given our small landmass this would be very effective in quickly diminishing our defence capabilities.

The best way to survive the above would be to induct and deploy sufficient artillery resources for a heavy counterattack and create dozens of additional airstrips all over the country for scattering fighter jets around so that the enemy is unable to destroy all our fighter aircraft.

More to follow...
 
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Blame them for the mess they created. Hasina is the one who allowed these Rohingyas not military. They can't do shit if our pussy leaders don't give any orders, even if they have massive strength.

Hasina did the right thing allowing Rohingya in. Burmese knew Hasina had no reply so they started the mess in the first place. They would not dare to do that with India or with China. Even Thailand took their revenge for Karen and have massive influence inside Myanmar.
 
We will get our equipment from wherever we can buy and maintain in an affordable price, within our budget. Just because they are our export customer doesn't mean we have to buy from them.
Did I said we "have to"? I said we should prefer them!

Yes, we should prefer sensible western countries and their products. Because, they always helped us...
 
Hasina did the right thing allowing Rohingya in. Burmese knew Hasina had no reply so they started the mess in the first place. They would not dare to do that with India or with China. Even Thailand took their revenge for Karen and have massive influence inside Myanmar.

Hasina had 8 years to build up BAF in 2017.
She should stop blaming BNP all the time and get things done.
Even if she brought a single squadron of 16 modern fighters, savages may have been deterred.
 
Just because they outnumber us in aircraft doesn't mean our fighter can't fight with them.
truth be told, they can't! taking into account the pilots have the same skills and training
These will be far superior to anything the savages have bar the SU-30 SME they are buying.
their sukhois are the ex indian airframes.... barebones... so i don't see how it will be on par
BD society is full of cowards
true that! :/

Hasina had 8 years to build up BAF in 2017.
She should stop blaming BNP all the time and get things done.
true but then also take into account hasina had to prioritise budget into things like electricity more for her first tenure...
and then when she had enough... it was time to get things like transport trainers etc so she had to compromise....
without substantial budget increase i don't see how we can move forward... decades of stagnation has left the old officers retired and the old fleet into extinction....
 

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