Bangladesh Air Force

[F-6 enthusiast]

Meteor cost is similar to AIM-120D as it is being used by pretty much the whole of Europe and has been exported to India already.

Future confirmed operators will include Brazil, Egypt, Greece, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and even S Korea.

It will become just as widespread as the US AMRAAM and so have the same economies of scale.

KSA placed a big order for Meteors very recently while the US placed arms deals with KSA ''on review'' . The Tories don't really care who they sell weapons to lol.
Let's hope our economy can support 1 Squadron of EFT and the infrastructure.

 

[mb444]

Will it be possible to integrate Gökdoğan (BVRAAM) and Bozdoğan (SRAAM) from Turkey into the EFT system? We could stock up on Meteors IF we get EFT but they are too expensive to have in any meaningful number. EFT can fire AMRAAM but we are not signing any contract with US anytime soon.

We do not need them in any meaningful numbers... lets go with UkBengalis estimate of 128 missiles...lets say 50% success rate that 64 enemy kills..... how many jets can IAF loose and how long will our 16 EFT survive....

We really do not need to think about integrating random platform to the EFT.... its a complete package....


What we need to back up the EFT in the air are other fighters like J10 or JFT with additional BVR capabilities, combat drones and SAMs.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

I think it will probably be gripen.
Either the total number of planes to be purchased is more or the money from the budget is less.
The source is not an official one. Its a draft

IF Typhoons are procured, we might get a mix of used and new. MIGHT

Our policymakers seem to have an allergy to any offensive weapon with US components.

 

[alphapak]

We do not need them in any meaningful numbers... lets go with UkBengalis estimate of 128 missiles...lets say 50% success rate that 64 enemy kills..... how many jets can IAF loose and how long will our 16 EFT survive....

We really do not need to think about integrating random platform to the EFT.... its a complete package....


What we need to back up the EFT in the air are other fighters like J10 or JFT with additional BVR capabilities, combat drones and SAMs.

16 Eurofighters will not be available during a war, with 50% availability rate you will have
8. It all depends on how well BAF maintains the fleet and if they have all the spares.

Once BAF has ordered the Eurofighters forget about J10's and Gripens for about 10 years.

 

[mb444]

16 Eurofighters will not be available during a war, with 50% availability rate you will have
8. It all depends on how well BAF maintains the fleet and if they have all the spares.

Once BAF has ordered the Eurofighters forget about J10's and Gripens for about 10 years.

In a suddent conflict yes there would be reduced combat ready aircrafts....however if there is gradual progression of tention there is no reason why all can not be combat ready.

No of available combat ready aircraft would be dependent of many variables.... there is no magic availability number.

Also there is absolutely no reason in the world why BAF will pause its upgrade process....the economy can sustain it and it has always been mostly about the money

 

[BlackViking]

I think it will probably be gripen

No something double engine will come. Baf engineers and pilots team visited dassault, leonardo and Boeing plants...they also flew those aircrafts. So one of these three will come I think

IF Typhoons are procured, we might get a mix of used and new.

The rumor is baf will buy t3 eft's from Raf/Italy air force's existing fleet. Could be 8 could be all.
But it's a just a rumor. I guess we will know soon.
Or baf can buy new/refurbished mixed rafale like Greece with mica with this budget so they wont have to worry about bvr...we can get meteor when its available for us

 

[Michael Corleone]

Flankers are on a league of their own when it comes to maintenance required. Too many moving parts

Not as bad as mig 29 though

I think it will probably be gripen.
Either the total number of planes to be purchased is more or the money from the budget is less.
The source is not an official one. Its a draft

If it’s it will be better plus proves the Facebook generals wrong but given how much they quoted for 16 jets... it’s way too much to be gripens.

No something double engine will come. Baf engineers and pilots team visited dassault, leonardo and Boeing plants...they also flew those aircrafts. So one of these three will come I think

Yep

The rumor is baf will buy t3 eft's from Raf/Italy air force's existing fleet. Could be 8 could be all.
But it's a just a rumor. I guess we will know soon.
Or baf can buy new/refurbished mixed rafale like Greece with mica with this budget so they wont have to worry about bvr...we can get meteor when its available for us

No used fleet. RAF decided to cannibalize their old ones

 

[Destranator]

Also there is absolutely no reason in the world why BAF will pause its upgrade process....the economy can sustain it and it has always been mostly about the money

It will get paused by the bureaucracy even if BAF intends to continue procuring fighters.
The repayments for EFT will be hung over BAF's head by the bureaucracy and BAF will more likely than not meekly cave. Let us just hope (hoping against hope) future BAF leadership is as bold as BA and BN's and manages to realise their demands.
Add to that, delivery of EFTs will take 3-5 years.
BAF will continue to remain exposed till then.

The procurement of EFT is not unjustified but very very poorly timed.

At this moment we need to ensure round the clock availability of dozens of 4.5 gen fighters. Gripen fits the bill perfectly.

@Michael Corleone We are very likely to get stuck with, as you call them, "prestige jets" until 11:59 pm on 31st December 2029. As the clock strikes 12 am, BAF will magically introduce 9 additional 4.5 gen squadrons to realise Forces Goal 2030.

 

[ziaulislam]

Meteor cost is similar to AIM-120D as it is being used by pretty much the whole of Europe and has been exported to India already.

Future confirmed operators will include Brazil, Egypt, Greece, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and even S Korea.

It will become just as widespread as the US AMRAAM and so have the same economies of scale.

No..its 4X more expensive
And is in limited use

 

[SpaceMan18]

It will get paused by the bureaucracy even if BAF intends to continue procuring fighters.
The repayments for EFT will be hung over BAF's head by the bureaucracy and BAF will more likely than not meekly cave. Let us just hope (hoping against hope) future BAF leadership is as bold as BA and BN's and manages to realise their demands.
Add to that, delivery of EFTs will take 3-5 years.
BAF will continue to remain exposed till then.

The procurement of EFT is not unjustified but very very poorly timed.

At this moment we need to ensure round the clock availability of dozens of 4.5 gen fighters. Gripen fits the bill perfectly.

@Michael Corleone We are very likely to get stuck with, as you call them, "prestige jets" until 11:59 pm on 31st December 2029. As the clock strikes 12 am, BAF will magically introduce 9 additional 4.5 gen squadrons to realise Forces Goal 2030.

But the thing here is that near 2030 the economy will be much larger and plus BAF themselves know that they will need a 5th gen aircraft soon soo.

Turkish 5th gen fighter makes the most sense then , again we don't know how the leadership will change in the BAF.

 

[SpaceMan18]

We do not need them in any meaningful numbers... lets go with UkBengalis estimate of 128 missiles...lets say 50% success rate that 64 enemy kills..... how many jets can IAF loose and how long will our 16 EFT survive....

We really do not need to think about integrating random platform to the EFT.... its a complete package....


What we need to back up the EFT in the air are other fighters like J10 or JFT with additional BVR capabilities, combat drones and SAMs.

By the way do you know the price of J-10C ?

I saw somewhere it's like 41 million usd , if that's the case we can get 24-25 J-10Cs for 1 billion dollars which is pretty decent.

I still don't know why we aren't getting J-10Cs to replace our F-7s


Also most importantly why hasn't BAF set a tender of AWACS ? Without AWACS there's no point of BVR fighters

This Saab Erieye is perfect for us

And of course don't forget the Hisar-O

 

[Jobless Jack]

No something double engine will come. Baf engineers and pilots team visited dassault, leonardo and Boeing plants...they also flew those aircrafts. So one of these three will come I think

The rumor is baf will buy t3 eft's from Raf/Italy air force's existing fleet. Could be 8 could be all.
But it's a just a rumor. I guess we will know soon.
Or baf can buy new/refurbished mixed rafale like Greece with mica with this budget so they wont have to worry about bvr...we can get meteor when its available for us

I dont think its rafele. India operates that.

What planes does leonardo make.

What ever they buy, the priority should be to replace those f7.

But in al honesty i would rather see BAF develop SAM layers, cruise missle and drone strike capabilities than shiny planes.

 

[UKBengali]

No..its 4X more expensive
And is in limited use

Two things:

1. Meteor does not cost 9 million US dollars per unit. You need to read better sources.


As an example of the Meteor's unit cost please see below:

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...eal_for_Brazilian_Gripen_NG_Jets#.YFBvYmT7Sw4

"European company MBDA has won a €200 million contract to supply 100 Meteor air-to-air missiles to be equipped on Brazilian Gripen NG fighters."

2 million Euro per missile comes to 2.3 million US dollars.

2. It is in use by the major military powers of Europe(UK, France, Italy etc) and is in huge scale production as more countries are set to receive batches of Meteor like Brazil and Germany soon. It is irrelevant how many missiles are in service now but the production numbers which define its unit cost.

PS - Pakistan is also facing this deadly missile as India has them in service for its Rafale's already. Meteor airframe and booster may also be used for Japan's next-gen BVRAAM.

 

[Destranator]

But the thing here is that near 2030 the economy will be much larger and plus BAF themselves know that they will need a 5th gen aircraft soon soo.

Turkish 5th gen fighter makes the most sense then , again we don't know how the leadership will change in the BAF.

No, BAF has no urgent need for fifth generation fighters at all. In fact they might have no use for fifth gen ever.
Fifth generation fighters are becoming obsolete even before becoming mainstream due to rapid advancements in ground and airborne radar tech. The F-22 (program abandoned early) and F-35 programs have been utter disasters for Pentagon due to cost blowouts (watch Vox documentary on F-35s). F-35 was meant to be a cost effective replacement for F-16 but now USAF treats it like a Ferrari (google USAF chief's Ferrari remark) and is considering ordering new F-16 Vipers.

Su-57 has been a failure.

The Chinese make tall claims about J-20s and J-31s while no one even buys their J-10s.

The fifth gen programs of other countries are stuck in a limbo.

USAF intends to operate F-16s till 2048 while Leonardo is pledging to support EFTs till 2060.

By 2050, the world will very likely transition to supersonic, autonomous UCAVs sidestepping fifth gen white elephants altogether.

The bottom line is: 4.5 gen fighters will continue to dominate for decades and therefore BAF should go all in to procure as many of them as possible along with ToT.

 

[Michael Corleone]

No BAF has no urgent need for fifth generation fighters at all. In fact they might have no use for BAF ever.
Fifth generation fighters are becoming obsolete even before becoming mainstream due to rapid advancements in ground and airborne radar tech. The F-22 (program abandoned early) and F-35 programs have been utter disasters for Pentagon due to cost blowouts (watch Vox documentary on F-35s). F-35 was meant to be a cost effective replacement for F-16 but now USAF treats it like a Ferrari (google USAF chief's Ferrari remark) and is considering ordering new F-16 Vipers.

Su-57 has been a failure.

The Chinese make tall claims about J-20s and J-31s while no one even buys their J-10s.

The fifth gen programs of other countries are stuck in a limbo.

USAF intends to operate F-16s till 2048 while Leonardo is pledging to support EFTs till 2060.

By 2050, the world will very likely transition to supersonic, autonomous UCAVs sidestepping fifth gen white elephants altogether.

The bottom line is: 4.5 gen fighters will continue to dominate for decades and therefore BAF should go all in to procure as many of them as possible along with ToT.

True 5th gen was a gimmick from the beginning. 6th gen will be true 5th gen
Autonomous, cost effective, stealth
I bet the Russians will use the same frame and integrate AI into it replacing the onboard pilot.